US Economists "WARN" of Deflation (GREAT ARTICLE)


Well, yes. At this moment in time deflation stands to become the instrument of yet another great shearing of the public. The money supply was blown up to huge proportions and prices have followed. In the meanwhile, salaries have dropped in the face of rampant unemployment. As deflated as the housing market may have become, it is still higher in most places than it was previously and people are still hanging on to toxic mortgages, most likely hoping for better days which are not likely to be forthcoming any time soon.

When the deflation hits and depending on the degree to which is does, salaries will likely go down further. Commodity prices may also deflate, thereby lowering the cost of items such as food, heating oil, and other essential items..maybe. But those mortgages will not go down and that will put tens of millions of people behind a very big 8-ball. One can only wonder where this stands to go. If it goes that badly, and it is not far fetched to suggest that it may, how will the creditors proceed? I suspect that conventional foreclosure on such a scale will not profit the powerculture well at all. It would, in fact, raise threats against it. My thoughts are running along a line of subtle deviousness where the shit-scared homeowner is offered a way to keep "his" home that would include a reduced monthly payment in exchange for a GREATLY extended term, say, 75, 100, or 150 years. This would leave the homeowner feeling as if they'd dodged the bullet of homelessness or having to move in with his mother-in -law for the rest of his life.

I am also suspiciously musing over whether other considerations might be demanded as well. It would not take any great stretch to include waivers of basic human rights in some cloaked form where the frantic homeowner is so freaked out by his circumstance and so grasping of the apparent life preserver that has been thrown him, he eagerly and thankfully signs on the dotted line, unaware that he has just effectively sold his soul to the devil.

For example, I can readily see a new set of concerns for the integrity of the asset arise in sudden and rapaciously vigorous fashion. In the wake of the '08 housing collapse there was covered in the media several cases of former owners trashing the houses that were taken from them. It is no great leap to anticipate banks now wringing their hands over this most lamentable circumstance and therefore requiring additional insurance riders to be taken by "homeowners" (now really rent-slaves). I can readily see them extending this to restriction on the sorts of materials one keeps on the premises such as FIREARMS which they may deem a hazard to the physical integrity of the property. This could be hidden amidst a great litany of "dangerous" items such as chemical agents, tools of various sorts, and so on. The asset is THEIRS for all practical purposes and as such they may dictate such conditions.

Many would reject such conditions and those would end up on the streets, or living with "mom". But IMO the vast and overwhelming majority would cave without so much as the first thoughts about it, sign, and thereafter have to relinquish various possessions such as guns and ammunition to the market place. Were this to happen on a large scale, the gun market would flood and prices would collapse. Mr. Homeowner would get paltry sums for his guns and I would not at all be surprised to see corporate entities snapping them up at those depressed prices, the arms ending up in government melters and a great coup of disarmament having been pulled off without so much as a whisper.

Just to s how you how far this idiocy could extend, I could also see the asset holders imposing ridiculous protective requirements for their property assets such as that to install a safe of a minimal quality wherein all valuables such as jewelry, coin, negotiable instruments, and so forth must be kept if they are to be stored on the property. Why? Because without such a safe thieves would be more likely to hit your house, damaging the banks property. Ridiculous you say? Absolutely so, but when has that ever stopped "them" in the past? Never? Right.

Once the landscape changes to this dreary composition of bank-owned properties being leased very long term to a family in intergenerational style as we find in the UK, almost any freakishly unreasonable nonsense may arise and while there may be many far more reasonable and effective remedies to the "concerns" raised by the banks, they may as easily be ignored in favor of those remedies that just happen to yield results that serve the powerculture most admirably.

If deflation hits hard, it is going to wipe the middle class out in very short order precisely on the basis of large capital mortgages, whether for homes, second properties, costly conveyances including automobiles, aircraft, and boats, and anything else where the monthly nut becomes disproportionately large in comparison with income. This is the danger inherent in "leverage". Credit leverage is a GREAT thing so long as you're making money. If you're lending me $$ at 5% and I'm making 8% on it, I will do that all day long. But when my cashflow becomes restricted, that same leverage becomes a yoke around my neck and if things go far enough, a noose.

My father built a house in Flushing, Queens, City of New York in 1950 for something like $5K. It is now somewhere in the $800K range, the cost now far and away outstripping inflation. Nobody in their right mind would buy that house for such money, yet someone has. People have been had big time and the hammer may be about to fall. If it does, look for some quantum change in how life is lived in this nation. As Rahm Immanuel said not too long ago, there is no reason to let a perfectly good crisis go to waste and I seriously doubt these gangsters would.

Everything I've speculated here may be dead wrong, but I will nevertheless advise all to keep their eyes peeled. The coming 6 months may be very interesting.
 
Wow, Osan...Nice reply!

Your response brings to my mind the idea of homeowners insurance, where now they say that it would cost a LOT more to replace your house than the price one could get selling it. There is seriously something wrong with this picture. I guess your point is that labor prices as well as materials will be affected DOWNWARD in a deflation. Maybe that homeowners insurance will follow.

Ponzi scheme all the way around when you're dealing with fiat.
 
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I expect inflation in the future. Sure there may be in the short term more deflation but gasoline is not going down that much. If gasoline/oil goes up the prices of many things goes up because they are shipped by truck. The federal reserve does more harm trying to defeat the short term deflation because soon we get more inflation. There should be short term deflation because there are many people unemployed and people getting new jobs that pay less. Wages are going down. Mean while gas an food has went up in prices. So correcting for deflation at this point will only hurt the people. Just my thoughts.

The housing market was hurt by being too over priced. The bubble burst. But the government has not let the prices fall to where they should have. Banks are holding properties and not selling. This is stopping the market from fully correcting. My thoughts is we have not seen the true bottom on the housing market.
 
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Deflation is the only thing they can prevent, so they make it a huge villain and harp over how they save everyone from deflation. Like Rockerrockstar said further inflation is coming, you can count on that. The QE3 ammo is already in the clip ready to fire.
 
I don't believe that Bernanke will give in to necessary deflation. QE3 is coming soon.
 
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Deflation is the only thing they can prevent, so they make it a huge villain and harp over how they save everyone from deflation. Like Rockerrockstar said further inflation is coming, you can count on that. The QE3 ammo is already in the clip ready to fire.

While I agree with part of what you say, you seem to imply that deflation is not a problem. It is a catastrophic problem for people who are leveraged up to their eyeballs. For those with large cash reserves, deflation is the best thing since sliced lightbulbs. So... let us take 2 and 2, add them together and see what we get.

Most of the middle class is ultra-leveraged due mainly to the fact that they are carrying substantial mortgages on houses and cars they really cannot comfortably afford.

The elite are absolutely loaded with liquid assets including uber-strong cash positions, which is where the trick lies. Cash means nothing EXCEPT as a means of acquiring real assets of tangible value. The cash value of an asset that is useful to you is irrelevant. It only matters if you are selling. The elite are BUYING. Therefore, they want the strongest dollar possible. This is the same pattern that has been shown now for over 100 years. Pump up the markets, yank out the rug, buy for pennies on the dollar, rinse, repeat. These stoopid people in the so-called "developed" nations fall for the same trick time and again. It is utterly stupefying to behold how the endless avarice of such huge numbers of people leads them down the precise same garden path time after time, the only thing changed being the color of the spray paint on the fake roses. Were I an elite, I would despise these willful imbeciles and take them to the cleaners for all they are worth. I just cannot quite why they endeavor to harm the rest. That bit is something of a mystery to me, unless I accept the whole "Luciferian" deal and I'm not quite yet ready to go that far out.

Anyhow - they sell you their gold @ $2000/ozt, crash the economy and give you $20 for the same gold... if you're lucky and they find themselves feeling generous that day.

If serious deflation hits what will happen? Prices will go significantly downward, placing like pressure on wages. This cannot be avoided unless employers are looking to operate at financial losses. They could sustain economic losses of a certain degree indefinitely, but the financial losses will kill them outright in a matter of a few quarters at most. Therefore, they will have to choose: lower costs to restore ratios or go out of business. All costs will be affected, but wages are one of the big ones and will be perhaps the first to face the guillotine.

Nobody's mortgages will go down - at least not until a pandemic of crisis proportions arises. The elite, having huge cash positions, will become even wealthier as their dollars climb in value. The middleclassman will enjoy the benefit of lower prices for a short while, then will be hit with wage cuts and his high leverage, which will become even higher with the deflation, will pound him into the dust teeth-first.

2+2 = 4 indeed and 4 = hella trouble for Joe Average. Deflation beyond any trivial proportion is going to smash this nation to bits in very short order. If it hits, nobody will give a damn about "terrorism" save for that of the economic variety which will be waged upon them. I hope to hell I prove the fool here, but it seems to me we are a nation of 310 million bowling pins ever so neatly arranged in the familiar triangle form and our buddies way over at the other end of the alley are in their wind-up. If we are lucky, this will just be an economic shearing. If we are much less so, it will also be the shearing of our rights, with our consent no less.
 
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I'm not saying that deflation isn't a bad thing. Too much money or too little money are equally bad. I just follow history, and I don't see the FED going back on 80 years of their policies and saying "you know, maybe we should give deflation a try".
I will say that if they cause this to happen it because they have taken care of their pets and ready to let the rest fail. Its all a racket to steal from everyone anyway.
 
deflation helps the savers, hurts the debtor.
inflation helps the debtor, hurts the saver.

in which way should our economy be heading right now?
 
I don't believe that Bernanke will give in to necessary deflation. QE3 is coming soon.

Precisely. No one is arguing deflation isn't the natural order of things to come out of the current situation, it's just that some of us have some foresight about what the psychopathic politicians and central bankers will likely do in response and what the consequences of their actions are likely going to be i.e. QE to infinity and rising prices and ultimately the destruction of the currency.
 
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This is ridiculous. They hype up deflation as a boogeyman so they'll have an excuse to print more astronomical amounts of money. Honest question: How could deflation possibly happen with the amount of money that is being printed and spent right now?
 
How could deflation possibly happen with the amount of money that is being printed and spent right now?

Because the market knows better than the counterfeiters and will correct itself in spite of the printing and spending. The only way to stave it off is printing and spending faster. Even Bernanke knows there is a limit to that, so they will wait for the deflation to actually happen before pulling the inflation trigger. Problem is, one of these times they are going to overshoot, and nothing will be able to stop it...
 
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