Updated Political Compass for Candidates of 2012 Presidential Race

Lol, Paul IS a radical Libertarian.

Fwiw, I'm an Ancap and I show up in near the middle economically but towards the bottom.
 
This is absolute bullshit, Ron should be FAR bottom right, he isnt centrist between liberty and authority, he is 100% liberty. Obama is implementing socialist-fascist policies, neither romney or santa or gringh OR obama should be that far right, centre perhaps or even to the left of the economic axis.

Edit: I beleive Ron is actually a voluntarist, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoUrrlbDoVs. That is the basis for my assessment of the graph.

Any one who says ron is TOO far right is wrong, Ron should be even futher right as he doesn't beleive in any use of force by government in the marketplace

Edit #2: To clear things up, the X axis is the economic freedom axis and the Y axis is the Personal freedom axis.
 
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So Paul is a centrist on government, and very conservative in his policies. Very cool. It is the opposite of what everyone assumes about him.
No, I don't think the graph is altogether accurate; the author has a clear left-liberal bias that shows through in both the article and the test itself. For example, the thing about it being a "sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded product"-- I do think it is a sad reflection on our society, but I derive absolutely no political imperatives from this thought. The author seems to operate from the presumption that being personally conservative (say, having conservative religious beliefs or morals) translates to political enforcement, hence his rating of Ron Paul close to the center on the "Libertarian/Authoritarian" scale-- he sees Ron Paul's "support for creationism" (which is a huge overstatement, frankly- he just says that he doesn't have a strong opinion and feels agnostic about the evolution/creationism debate), for example, as a political view, when it isn't.
 
Which isn't to say that the graph, test and site aren't still interesting, or that the contrast between Ron Paul and the other candidates on the graph is not telling and reflective of the actual nature of the race.
 
Ron's views on abortion and leaving marriage/drugs to states probably keep him from pure libertarianism, but he is all for free market capitalism so far right on econ definitely makes sense.
 
Ron's views on abortion and leaving marriage/drugs to states probably keep him from pure libertarianism, but he is all for free market capitalism so far right on econ definitely makes sense.
Yet he also believes that states are permitted under the Constitution to regulate the economy within their own borders. Some distinctions need to be drawn, here; within his capacity in office, Ron Paul says he would leave this thing or that thing to the states. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a fundamental opinion about the issue itself in the abstract, only that he wouldn't deal with it in a scenario wherein he has sworn an oath to the Constitution and taken a federal office under said oath. For example, from various statements he has made over the years, I think it is pretty clear he personally believes that:
-Marriage should not be licensed or controlled in any way by the State
-Recreational drugs should be legal for adults
-Education should be privatized

However, his position on these issues in the context of his being a candidate for a federal office is that:
-Marriage issues should be left to the states
-Recreational drug issues should be left to the states
-Educational issues should be left to the states

This does not mean, mind you, that he is changing or disguising his beliefs; he is simply faithfully following his oath to support and defend the Constitution, which does not give him license to nationalize his own (pure libertarian) views on various issues. This does, of course, complicate the placement of Ron Paul on a "scale" such as the one we are dealing with here, for we must first decide whether we are talking about the entity "Ron-Paul's-views-in-the-universal-abstract" (eg. no laws governing marriage, recreational drugs legal, etc.) or "Ron-Paul's-positions-for-purposes-of-a-term-in-federal-office" (marriage left to the states, recreational drugs left to the states, etc.). If the former, Ron Paul belongs near the bottom right corner of our graph; if the latter, he belongs significantly higher.
 
I think some of you are reading this chart incorrectly. (Mainly because the use the word "libertarian" to describe social anarchism.)

West to East is in regard to Government's role in the Economy (ie. regulations, currency manipulation, bailouts)
- with a totally state-regulated economy at the far west, and 100% deregulated economy at the far east.

North to South is in regard to Government's role in society (ie. how much the government manages society)
- with total fascist control of society at the far north, and 100% anarchy at the far South.

Once you see this, the placement of Ron Paul on the graph seems fairly accurate.
He is very far "east" in that he believes government should have little to no involvement in the economy.
However, he is not super-far "south" because he does indeed believe that a government is needed to manage society. He believes that the government should enforce contracts and deal with international affairs. He believes VERY strongly in property rights and the government's role in enforcing and arbitrating such disputes. He is not an anarchist. He is slightly below the center because he believes that the government should be uninvolved in social matters more times than not. But if you believe Ron Paul is a social anarchist, you are wrong. The far "south" on this scale would believe that there should be no laws dictating an orderly society, in other words, if you get mugged, there is no crime - but at the same time you are welcome to then go and murder the robber. I am not saying that I approve or disapprove of social anarchism, I just wanted to point out that Ron Paul is farther to the center in this regard.

I think some of the confusion is that someone like Mitt Romney is by general definitions considered a centrist. If you re-center the grid around the cluster of the other candidates and call that the "zero" or the "centrist" point, then from that reference Ron Paul is super far "east" and super far "south."

Hopefully this lengthy diatribe clarifies something for someone.
 
I think some of you are reading this chart incorrectly. (Mainly because the use the word "libertarian" to describe social anarchism.)

West to East is in regard to Government's role in the Economy (ie. regulations, currency manipulation, bailouts)
- with a totally state-regulated economy at the far west, and 100% deregulated economy at the far east.

North to South is in regard to Government's role in society (ie. how much the government manages society)
- with total fascist control of society at the far north, and 100% anarchy at the far South.

Once you see this, the placement of Ron Paul on the graph seems fairly accurate.
He is very far "east" in that he believes government should have little to no involvement in the economy.
However, he is not super-far "south" because he does indeed believe that a government is needed to manage society. He believes that the government should enforce contracts and deal with international affairs. He believes VERY strongly in property rights and the government's role in enforcing and arbitrating such disputes. He is not an anarchist. He is slightly below the center because he believes that the government should be uninvolved in social matters more times than not. But if you believe Ron Paul is a social anarchist, you are wrong. The far "south" on this scale would believe that there should be no laws dictating an orderly society, in other words, if you get mugged, there is no crime - but at the same time you are welcome to then go and murder the robber. I am not saying that I approve or disapprove of social anarchism, I just wanted to point out that Ron Paul is farther to the center in this regard.

I think some of the confusion is that someone like Mitt Romney is by general definitions considered a centrist. If you re-center the grid around the cluster of the other candidates and call that the "zero" or the "centrist" point, then from that reference Ron Paul is super far "east" and super far "south."

Hopefully this lengthy diatribe clarifies something for someone.

Have you taken the test? It's not a complete view of anarchy vs. statism. MaxPower's criticisms are pretty spot on.
 
Have you taken the test? It's not a complete view of anarchy vs. statism. MaxPower's criticisms are pretty spot on.
Yes, I took the test.
My response was not aimed at MaxPower. I actually agree with him nearly in totality.
The test does not take into account federal vs state, the test does not take into account personal beliefs vs how one would exercise their oath.
I was making a more general point as to what the chart represented. I was more so responding to comments like "Ron should be FAR bottom right, he isnt centrist between liberty and authority, he is 100% liberty." I was pointing out that the definition of total social liberty is actually anarchy, and there is lots of evidence that Paul sees some role for government in society.
 
I don't want to throw the thread into the philosophy subforum, so I'll just state that the site at least rates RP as less authoritarian than it did in 2008.
 
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I do like their analysis. People vastly overstate how different Obama is from republicans, whether they're for him or against him. I'm glad more are recognizing that our two party system is really a deceptive one party system.
 
yes some of the questions are hard to answer
"Are the rich taxed too much" for example , most rich people get out of paying taxes completely.I am for cutting taxes across the board whilst cutting down on the tax dodgers like General Electric....
 
I've always found Political Compass a little strange. When I take the test, I always end up in the bottom right corner, which doesn't surprise me much, but very close to the origin, which does.

Hence I am not surprised to learn that I am more libertarian than Barack Obama, but I am very surprised to learn that I am somewhat to the left of him.
 
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I think I did all right. I was apt to answer differently on some questions because of personal beliefs. Like sure I'd want my child's school to instill religious values; but s/he wouldn't go to a public school. Can't complain with my placement :D
 
It depends on how I read the questions. some of the are leading, and i disagree with their premise:

I agree with this. I had issues with about 1/3 of the questions.

That said. I came up a bit more libertarian and to the left of the good doctor...

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I wonder why RP's rating has moved(more libertarian) compared to the 2008 primary chart.
 
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