Update. I cannot vote for Trump.

Snowball said:
Trump slams Biden for saying Israel shouldn’t target Iranian nuclear sites: ‘The craziest thing I’ve ever heard’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-slams-biden-saying-israel-022913161.html


bottom line I don't trust the guy or approve of his policies

he's even come out supporting Zelensky and Kushner is out there planning greater Israel,
and his economic "plan" is to "grow" but not make cuts.

He is insulting to the intelligence. Israel is slaughtering many thousands of people for no good reason.
All they wanted from Israel was to get them to stop killing Palestinians. But they won't.

Personally I have no problem with Iran getting nukes and I believe they have already had nuclear-tipped warheads
for a very long time. If Israel was unrestrained and fully supported to attack Iran, then it's WW3. Unlike Trump says,
hitting their nuclear facilities would cause a disaster and WW3 if Russia and China support them which is highly likely.

He won't say Israel should stop. Never has. This is probably a deal-breaker for me at this point because of the way it's going.
Even last night Israel was pounding Lebanon and casualties are over 2k now.

What should happen is "we" should have stopped sending Israel the bombs and equipment and intelligence, and the 40 Billion.
Told them no more stuff. Reign yourself in and act like human beings or GTFO.

Iran intentionally killed zero Israelis and even Hezbollah didn't, they aim for military only, unlike Israel.

With Trump giving the green light for bombing Iranian nuclear sites it would be all-out war.
We now know he will go to all-out war for Israel (bad for Israel too, btw), and it's more than I can condone.
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So Kamala is the answer?

I don’t love everything about trump either, but someone’s going to get elected. Are you saying that one is no better than the other?
 
asurfaholic said:
So Kamala is the answer?

I don’t love everything about trump either, but someone’s going to get elected. Are you saying that one is no better than the other?
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That's a whole lot more true than you think. The whole thing smells scripted and I honestly don't think anyone's going to bother to count them anyway. Trump isn't going to usher in any less socialism.
 
acptulsa said:
That's a whole lot more true than you think. The whole thing smells scripted and I honestly don't think anyone's going to bother to count them anyway. Trump isn't going to usher in any less socialism.
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I mean, I don’t buy it. Just his stance on closing the border is heaps and bounds less socialism than the radical left.
 
asurfaholic said:
So Kamala is the answer?

I don’t love everything about trump either, but someone’s going to get elected. Are you saying that one is no better than the other?
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I said nothing more than I've said. I can't do it. Everyone can decide for themselves. Nobody is on the ballot for me this year.
I was planning to do it, even though I didn't want to, but since he said Biden is "crazy" for telling Israel not to attack Iran's nuclear,
it's all over for me. I can't. Iran is ready for war. Russia has Murmansk-BN's, jets, S-400s, whatever ready to defend them now.
They also sent them missiles and maybe even nukes for all we know. Lines are drawn. Iran is going in BRICs and the Russia/China axis BIG TIME.
Israel is in for a rude awakening if they think they can survive with this level of disrespect for humanity.
Even Turkey now is saying they might have to go to war against Israel. If Israel smacked Iran's nuclear today, like Trump says is peachy fine, the consequences would be irreparable. If he's Potus and inherits this level of action, he's going to war for Israel, all the way, and I don't think that serves anyone well. Certainly not Israelis, even though I care for them less than anyone else in the world at this point. If their destiny is to pick a fight they can't finish, then let them burn down in flames.
 
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asurfaholic said:
I mean, I don’t buy it. Just his stance on closing the border is heaps and bounds less socialism than the radical left.
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It'll get closed no matter what frontman gets picked. They save the unsustainable, destructive crap for election years.

I'm thinking at this point that the last election in which the public had any say for a federal seat was 2000.

Totalitarianism is already here. And the screws are tightening. WWIII would make it all moot, of course. Israel is trying to start it, and neither candidate will stop it.
 
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Snowball said:
I said nothing more than I've said. I can't do it. Everyone can decide for themselves. Nobody is on the ballot for me this year.
I was planning to do it, even though I didn't want to, but since he said Biden is "crazy" for telling Israel not to attack Iran's nuclear,
it's all over for me. I can't. Iran is ready for war. Russia has Murmansk-BN's, jets, S-400s, whatever ready to defend them now.
They also sent them missiles and maybe even nukes for all we know. Lines are drawn. Iran is going in BRICs and the Russia/China axis BIG TIME.
Israel is in for a rude awakening if they think they can survive with this level of disrespect for humanity.
Even Turkey now is saying they might have to go to war against Israel. If Israel smacked Iran's nuclear today, like Trump says is peachy fine, the consequences would be irreparable. If he's Potus and inherits this level of action, he's going to war for Israel, all the way, and I don't think that serves anyone well. Certainly not Israelis, even though I care for them less than anyone else in the world at this point. If their destiny is to pick a fight they can't finish, then let them burn down in flames.
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Israel is in for a rude awakening if they think they can survive with this level of disrespect for humanity.
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I agree and also considering what some Israeli NGOs are currently doing in Europe as well some NGOs supporting migrants and even as far organizing protests.

Demanding some Euporean govts to give housing first to the African/Arab Migrants over Europeans some who are sleeping on the streets or in their vehicles.



like Trump says is peachy fine, the consequences would be irreparable
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For a Clown like Trump to say i want to peace and wars to end yet his ok with Israel attacking Nuclear Power Plants or Iranian oil fields.

Without realizing the consequences.
 
spudea said:
https://www.csis.org/analysis/assessing-israels-strike-iran

This strike against Iran was earlier this year. Russian and China trade with Iran for economic reasons, not ideological reasons. Does their relationship rise to the level of mutual defense? I don't think so.
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You know your own article supports [MENTION=35668]Snowball[/MENTION]'s contention that Israel has never attacked Iran's nucler sites right? Attacking the missile defense system protecting a nuclear site, while a serious excalation, isn't the same as attacking the site itself. For a comparison see:

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...s-strike-iraqs-nuclear-reactor-40-years-later

As far as mutual defense, don't forget that Russia mainly entered they Syrian conflict to thwart the U.S. effort to topple Assad.
 
Trump is the peace candidate. He repeatedly speaks of avoiding WW3. If he truly thought Israel attacking Iran would trigger WW3, he would look for other options.

 
spudea said:
Trump is the peace candidate. He repeatedly speaks of avoiding WW3. If he truly thought Israel attacking Iran would trigger WW3, he would look for other options.
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Trump's agendas have been nationalistic, not individualistic, and he will do whatever he believes is good for the Empire, not you or me. He is among the elite who was responsible for the largest debt increase of any president in history, as well as the largest transfer of wealth from the low/middle class to the upper. Now that the plandemic is over, which resulted in untested jabs and immunity for the pharm complex, and bans on travel which put the MIC on "temporary hold" to allow for "global compliance", the MIC is once again open for business.

Perhaps reread the thread to look for the out in the open hidden clues and one can easily speculate where this is heading. On top of that, people don't just give over $100 Million just to be generous. Not counting the neck tie.

Too much thought is put into "but it's against Kamala!" and that is where the flaw is. Look at Bush W the "peace candidate" and see where that got us. Because back then, people completely ignored all of the the signals and voted for him anyway.
 
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Snowball said:
He is insulting to the intelligence. Israel is slaughtering many thousands of people for no good reason.
All they wanted from Israel was to get them to stop killing Palestinians. But they won't.
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Lol, pretty sure you have it backwards.

The Palestinians want to completely eradicate the Jews from Israel and get "their" land "Palestine" back which they believe belongs all to them.

I've had a shifting opinion on this over the years. I used to really like Ahmadinejad. I think he's right about a lot of things and wrong about a lot of things. But he is very intellectual and I feel like I could actually sit down and have a reasonable discussion about our disagreements. I have yet to see anyone else like that in their leadership. I doubt you could have an honest conversation with any of them.

It wasn't long ago, a little over a year, I thought Israel needed to play nice too, but when Hamas went in and started slaughtering a bunch of hippies at a music festival, civilians, women and children, I'm done. I've seen what the kids in Palestine learn, they are infected with a virus. The majority of Palestinians are infected with this virus, and I don't know if there is a cure.

Some Israelis are pretty extreme as well, but at least when they would go to bomb civilian buildings that housed Hamas military and equipment, they would flare the building, announce the bombing.. then Hamas would hold the civilians hostage inside the building to die, so they could use the deaths as propaganda to get more funding from Arab nations, whose goal is to eradicate Israel.

Israel is a tiny spec on the map, it's the only Jewish homeland. Muslims have plenty of land. There is Muslim holy land in Israel as well, but not as old as Jewish holy land. They should have just said, OK.. you are the Jews, it was your land back in the day, you're being persecuted, you can have the land.. just promise to treat the people there nice and allow us to come visit our holy sites. I'm sure they could have worked something out.

But no, it's Islam, and many of them believe that they need to kill all the infidels. They even say that they want to kill all Christians, but they have to start with the Jews first.

If I were living in Israel, I'd probably just be like fuck it, I'm out, you can have this old sand trap we converted into a beautiful oasis. But I don't live there, the Jewish people do, they've been there for generations, so I'm going to support them.
 
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dannno said:
Lol, pretty sure you have it backwards.

The Palestinians want to completely eradicate the Jews from Israel and get "their" land "Palestine" back which they believe belongs all to them.

I've had a shifting opinion on this over the years. I used to really like Ahmadinejad. I think he's right about a lot of things and wrong about a lot of things. But he is very intellectual and I feel like I could actually sit down and have a reasonable discussion about our disagreements. I have yet to see anyone else like that in their leadership. I doubt you could have an honest conversation with any of them.

It wasn't long ago, a little over a year, I thought Israel needed to play nice too, but when Hamas went in and started slaughtering a bunch of hippies at a music festival, civilians, women and children, I'm done. I've seen what the kids in Palestine learn, they are infected with a virus. The majority of Palestinians are infected with this virus, and I don't know if there is a cure.

Some Israelis are pretty extreme as well, but at least when they would go to bomb civilian buildings that housed Hamas military and equipment, they would flare the building, announce the bombing.. then Hamas would hold the civilians hostage inside the building to die, so they could use the deaths as propaganda to get more funding from Arab nations, whose goal is to eradicate Israel.

Israel is a tiny spec on the map, it's the only Jewish homeland. Muslims have plenty of land. There is Muslim holy land in Israel as well, but not as old as Jewish holy land. They should have just said, OK.. you are the Jews, it was your land back in the day, you're being persecuted, you can have the land.. just promise to treat the people there nice and allow us to come visit our holy sites. I'm sure they could have worked something out.

But no, it's Islam, and many of them believe that they need to kill all the infidels. They even say that they want to kill all Christians, but they have to start with the Jews first.

If I were living in Israel, I'd probably just be like $#@! it, I'm out, you can have this old sand trap we converted into a beautiful oasis. But I don't live there, the Jewish people do, they've been there for generations, so I'm going to support them.
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The Palestinians want to completely eradicate the Jews from Israel and get "their" land "Palestine" back which they believe belongs all to them.
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If that is true.
Explain what Tim Walz meant?

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1842223534984089654


"The expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States"
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dannno said:
Lol, pretty sure you have it backwards.

The Palestinians want to completely eradicate the Jews from Israel and get "their" land "Palestine" back which they believe belongs all to them.

I've had a shifting opinion on this over the years. I used to really like Ahmadinejad. I think he's right about a lot of things and wrong about a lot of things. But he is very intellectual and I feel like I could actually sit down and have a reasonable discussion about our disagreements. I have yet to see anyone else like that in their leadership. I doubt you could have an honest conversation with any of them.

It wasn't long ago, a little over a year, I thought Israel needed to play nice too, but when Hamas went in and started slaughtering a bunch of hippies at a music festival, civilians, women and children, I'm done. I've seen what the kids in Palestine learn, they are infected with a virus. The majority of Palestinians are infected with this virus, and I don't know if there is a cure.

Some Israelis are pretty extreme as well, but at least when they would go to bomb civilian buildings that housed Hamas military and equipment, they would flare the building, announce the bombing.. then Hamas would hold the civilians hostage inside the building to die, so they could use the deaths as propaganda to get more funding from Arab nations, whose goal is to eradicate Israel.

Israel is a tiny spec on the map, it's the only Jewish homeland. Muslims have plenty of land. There is Muslim holy land in Israel as well, but not as old as Jewish holy land. They should have just said, OK.. you are the Jews, it was your land back in the day, you're being persecuted, you can have the land.. just promise to treat the people there nice and allow us to come visit our holy sites. I'm sure they could have worked something out.

But no, it's Islam, and many of them believe that they need to kill all the infidels. They even say that they want to kill all Christians, but they have to start with the Jews first.

If I were living in Israel, I'd probably just be like $#@! it, I'm out, you can have this old sand trap we converted into a beautiful oasis. But I don't live there, the Jewish people do, they've been there for generations, so I'm going to support them.
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They even say that they want to kill all Christians
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While crazy Netanyahu wants to fume the tension in the middle east..

Since Oct 7 2023 Israel hasn't been able to rescue the majority of the hostages expect for the few that the IDF found.
Instated of focusing on Hamas.

The Clown Netanyahu decides to pin Iran has the backer of Hamas, without blaming Qatar... But whatever.

Instated of focusing on Hamas in Gaza they now turned to Lebanon, Hezbollah into thinking that somehow killing a few commanders or soldiers is going to mean anything.


Seems Israel has forgtten about 1982....
 
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dannno said:
Lol, pretty sure you have it backwards.

The Palestinians want to completely eradicate the Jews from Israel and get "their" land "Palestine" back which they believe belongs all to them.

I've had a shifting opinion on this over the years. I used to really like Ahmadinejad. I think he's right about a lot of things and wrong about a lot of things. But he is very intellectual and I feel like I could actually sit down and have a reasonable discussion about our disagreements. I have yet to see anyone else like that in their leadership. I doubt you could have an honest conversation with any of them.

It wasn't long ago, a little over a year, I thought Israel needed to play nice too, but when Hamas went in and started slaughtering a bunch of hippies at a music festival, civilians, women and children, I'm done. I've seen what the kids in Palestine learn, they are infected with a virus. The majority of Palestinians are infected with this virus, and I don't know if there is a cure.

Some Israelis are pretty extreme as well, but at least when they would go to bomb civilian buildings that housed Hamas military and equipment, they would flare the building, announce the bombing.. then Hamas would hold the civilians hostage inside the building to die, so they could use the deaths as propaganda to get more funding from Arab nations, whose goal is to eradicate Israel.

Israel is a tiny spec on the map, it's the only Jewish homeland. Muslims have plenty of land. There is Muslim holy land in Israel as well, but not as old as Jewish holy land. They should have just said, OK.. you are the Jews, it was your land back in the day, you're being persecuted, you can have the land.. just promise to treat the people there nice and allow us to come visit our holy sites. I'm sure they could have worked something out.

But no, it's Islam, and many of them believe that they need to kill all the infidels. They even say that they want to kill all Christians, but they have to start with the Jews first.

If I were living in Israel, I'd probably just be like $#@! it, I'm out, you can have this old sand trap we converted into a beautiful oasis. But I don't live there, the Jewish people do, they've been there for generations, so I'm going to support them.
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You are mentally ill.

Fortunately, you are just one indoctrinated/confused/manipulated person with no power or influence.

But you reflect a dangerous majority in this mentally ill nation.
 
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