Uniting our supporters. A simple strategy.

wizardwatson

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Here is my OPINION and IDEA about what we can do to strengthen, organize and motivate the movement. And the idea is to do it all right here at RPF/Liberty Forest. IDEA first OPINION to follow.

[[[IDEA]]]

The idea is to build something for the movement that is lacking. Namely, a method to broadcast event information and get feedback from events in a comprehensive way that reaches everyone interested and provides a hub for grassroots activity. We need a central place that is consistently updated with event info so that supporters know what is happening in their area and can participate in ways that they want in areas where they can actually be active. Basically we can communicate by email and provide feedback via forum posts (used as a wiki basically). To do this we simply need interested participants (you), a bulletin board/wiki (RPF), and an email list (privately shared google spreadsheet).
This is how the setup could be broken down. Ideas for improvement welcome.

National Coordinators

Initially there will only be national coordinators (RPF members). They will be responsible for recruiting primary agents for each state. Monthly, the NC's will post a thread showing updates for the number of agents and supporters for each state as well as the number of events held in the prior month for each state. This monthly thread will provide feedback for supporters to see how the movement is growing. Thread should provide backlinks to prior months and direct thread links to each individual state monthly thread. Ideally some forum moderators will be among the NC's to allow editing of the OP for each monthly thread if any changes need to be made or updated. The NC's will share a google spreadsheet that lists the emails of the primary state agents. Every month the primary state agents should report (request from NC via email) the current number of agents and supporters for each state as well as the number of events held in the prior month along with the current months thread link. NC's will be responsible for promoting the overall organization and intake of new supporters via forum post bumping, sticky threads, etc. and will also promote national activities and events that are not state specific. The end product of all this work is the monthly national thread post that contains a list of every state, its number of agents/supporters, number of events that took place in prior month, its current month thread link, as well as general info about the organization.

Primary State Agents

I'd say three is a good number for the amount of primary state agents. These agents are RPF members that will be recruited by the NC's. These PSA's will be responsible for posting and maintaining a monthly thread listing all the events and activities along with location, date, time and a brief description for any state-level functions that are happening. The PSA's are responsible also for recruiting SSA's (secondary state agents - see below) within their state. The PSA will update throughout the month the monthly thread post to add new events as they arise and report attendees and feedback for events that have already taken place. All this info is posted on the monthly thread. Only the OP will be able to edit the original post so in addition to listing event details on the thread, there will also be a link to a shared google spreadsheet containing event info linked via the main post so that the other PSA's can update event info in a shared environment in case the OP isn't available. This will provide a way for SSA's and PSA's to verify event info when they are broadcasting to supporters.

Secondary State Agents

SSA's are RPF members who post event feedback but primarily are responsible for email blasting supporters assigned to them. They broadcast about events taking place and get RSVP about who is attending what. They are also responsible for coordinating with event organizers about who has attended and posting feedback about how the event went on the monthly thread as well as getting new event info from supporters. For instance a supporter might be organizing a poker party or sign wave event. The SSA would report this event info to the PSA who would update the monthly thread with the new info which would later be broadcasted to supporters through appropriate SSA's. (Note: PSA's can opt to be SSA's and have supporters in their area assigned to them if they are so inclined.)

Shared Emails

The PSA's and SSA's will share a private google spreadsheet that lists all the emails and names of the PSA's, SSA's and supporter emails showing the hierarchy of what supporter is assigned to what SSA along with location (and name if they aren't too paranoid). This will be necessary in case SSA's fall off the radar so that we have a means to reassign the supporters. When the email list becomes too large PSA's can split into regions and divide the email maintenance process among different PSA's.

Supporters

Supporters are simply people who wish to be updated/emailed about events taking place in their area (they need not be RPF'ers). They are assigned to a specific SSA with the goal being to base this assignment on location so that they only get email blasted with events they have the ability to attend. If they are interested in attending events outside their area they should be encouraged to become RPF members and browse, via the monthly thread, other events outside their area.

Soft Support

The organization itself is nothing but an email tree, from the NC's down to the individual supporters with PSA's and SSA's in between. However, there will also be "soft support" consisting of event attendees and other supporters who might not want to be emailed directly but are perhaps reachable by phone from another supporter or simply a +1 for some event. Say I organize a weenie roast and 4 supporters show up but 30 other people came to munch and were handed slim jims. These event attendees should also be reported on the feedback thread so we know what kind of impact the event had.

RPF Profiles

In addition to all this event organizing and feedback that's part of the scheme, I also think some profiling would be highly beneficial. Basically the PSA's should provide a link to their own thread describing and introducing themselves and what they've done and what brings them to the movement, etc. These profile links should be on every monthly thread for all the RPF'ers (PSA's and SSA's) who agree to it. Essentially this would provide a way to personalize people's involvment and would put faces to names for who is involved in their state.

Event Note

There may eventually be so many events on a thread that there isn't room to post the event details. Or an event might need a long description of what to do or bring. In this case the event thread should either link to another thread describing the event or to a post further down on the main event thread. And instead of emailing all the event details to supporters only a short summary should be emailed with a link back to the full event description.

Idea Summary

So that's the nuts and bolts. Essentially you have monthly national threads that link to individual state monthly threads. These threads list events taking place by month for each state and act as a centralized place to post feedback about what happened with the events. The OP in the monthly thread, in addition to containing event info and general information, should also have links to profiles of RPF'ers (who want to do that) in that state. The events are emailed to individual supporters (no more than one email daily - SSA's taking care of people who only want one a week or who cancel their "subscription", etc.) to get RSVP info and promote the event with divisions based on location. Supporters also can use the email network to notify the movement of their own local events. So events are broadcast in both directions-from the PSA's down and from supporters up. Feedback about the events (pics, testimonials, videos, what happened, who was there) are posted to the appropriate monthly thread and RPF is promoted as a grassroots hub to find out what's happening in your area.

[[[OPINION]]]

So that's the idea. Not really anything grand in terms of viability and I've left out a lot of details that would need to be filled in later like how to tailor the emails, how to replace lazy PSA's with more active ones, and a host of other things, but the idea I think should be simple enough to understand and just as easy to implement if enough people were so inclined. What follows then is my opinion about why I think something like this needs to happen and why I think RPF would be a good home for such an effort. Feedback welcome.

The Obvious

It seems the obvious is one thing we humans seem to overlook or at least forget about on a regular basis. It's obvious that we are disorganized as a movement. I don't know if it's because of things like the forum, facebook, twitter and other social networks that exist that make us think we are organized but in my opinion we are not really organized as a movement. We may have achieved unprecedented organization in the 2012 Ron Paul campaign but the movement itself, which is much larger than those who actually participated in the campaign, for the most part is amorphous. A facebook group here and there, twitter followings, a deluge of various forum posts, the candidacy of such and such, the failed mission of CFL, etc. So what is missing? In my opinion what is missing is simply a basic mechanism to inform people of things they can do locally to further the movement and a feedback mechanism so they can see the outcome of those events and their impact. Broadcasting and feedback, plain and simple, but sufficiently centralized so that it's not just a bunch of disjointed posts across numerous forums and social networks where no one can really grasp what's happening holistically. For that I propose this system of collaboratively maintained event information and feedback, and a collaboratively maintained email list, both moderated via RPF. The movement needs something concrete to build on and it's my opinion that such a concrete network of individuals is what is lacking to achieve that end.

Events

It's important to point out that any event can really be included in this type of organization. Candidate meet and greets, sign wavings, moneybombs, cookouts, poker parties, libertarian/democratic/republican functions, occupy demonstrations, oathkeeper meetings, reform party meetings, tupperware parties, etc. So anything really, anything politically related or functions composed of liberty activists. The point is we are going to be broadcasting these events to liberty supporters, that's the key. So even if we're attending an event for communists, we're actually notifying our liberty supporters to go to the event and provide feedback for the liberty movement. So it isn't so much important where or what we're doing but rather that its our supporters out there being active and spreading the message. Obviously we want to focus our efforts on activities that grow the movement and spread the message, but even if we're attending or organizing an event that seems pointless, it's still our supporters out there collaborating and interacting. I think it is important from this angle that we be creative and not only promote the cause but have fun doing it. A poker party might seem stupid from a political angle but could go a long way towards befriending and networking with fellow supporters who might not initially be all that interested in attending a speech or town hall meeting of liberty candidate x.

Importance of Feedback and Moderation

"Hold on!" some will say. "It's useless to heard cats", "We're a decentralized movement", "let everyone act independently", "you need a specific plan", etc. Some might argue that allowing events to be posted willy nilly will only dilute the movement and the message, or that allowing certain events to be included might push people in the wrong directions splintering the effort. I don't think this is a problem and here's why. All you really need is some event moderation and moderation of the feedback. This is why I think RPF is a great asset and should play an integral role in this project. Consider what the forum is. It's simply a collection of individuals for the most part pointing in the direction of liberty. There's no concrete set of beliefs that everyone has to follow, no leader, but we've still remained here because the overall direction is agreed by a kind of consensus. How has it remained so for 5 years running? Because of moderation and feedback. If someone posts something antithetical to liberty the feedback sets it straight. If someone comes to the boards trolling or pushing an agenda outside of the general scope and mission of the board they get banned if they are a troublemaker or their post gets moved away from the primary forum sections. The exact same mechanism will work for the system I'm proposing. Events will be moderated by relevance, and when feedback gets posted about the event the community will be able to see whether that event was useful or counterproductive. We don't need a specific platform of ideas or a specific "plan" of what we're setting out to do. The forum will provide guidance for the event system in the same way as it guides the overall mission of the forum.

So we don't need a new website or some fancy pledge or hard wired "plan" because all these things try to put the cart before the horse. First you need a community of interested participants and we have that here at RPF. It only needs a little bit of organization added to it. The event organization will stay in focus to the extent that the community of supporters stay in focus. I believe this will happen on its own because here at RPF we have a general consensus on the message and I think that's the main ingredient. We may have different philosophical beliefs but the core ideas of limited government, sound money, and anti-corporatism is for the most part universal.

Campaign or no Campaign

A note about campaigns. Yes we need to focus on getting liberty candidates into office. But the scope needs to be broader than that. This is why I think CFL was a failure. All the people that supported Ron Paul were simply not really that interested in politics. They were mainly interested in Ron Paul. CFL failed because of this primary fact. No one had the ambition to self-educate themselves on local elections and on top of that the activity in most of the states never even got off the ground because state coordinators were simply blogging about where candidate x stood on certain issues and whether they were worthy of support. People in the movement need to be educated before anything like CFL could work. We need to have meetings about how to participate. Event updates about where they can go to support or learn about a candidate. We need direct emails that have already done the groundwork about when and where to be so the supporter can just mark it on their calendar and be there. This whole logging into a certain website, reading the coordinators blog to try to figure out how to participate exceeds the level of effort the average supporter is willing to commit to.

This is why I think an event organization system could succeed via RPF where CFL failed. On the one hand we have events that appeal to a broader base. Some people will be interested in going to a candidate function or a town hall meeting but some might be interested in going to an Occupy meeting or a sign waving or simply a get to know your neighbor poker party or weenie roast. From these smaller types of functions the more politically active can motivate and encourage the soft supporters into helping with more liberty directed actions. We should be creative in this regard, make it fun, make people feel that they have a lot of options for participation. On the other hand we aren't requiring people to spend extra effort logging into some esoteric website daily, having them try to figure out how it works, signing up for some event, attending the event then getting no feedback. No, we simply send them an email with a list of upcoming events, have them RSVP via email, and after the event they can come to RPF to view feedback about the event or post their own. Simple.

RPF Home

Why RPF? I say why not RPF? It's a large collection of liberty supporters who for the most part agree with 90% of Ron Paul's message of freedom. We squabble about abortion, gay marriage, anarchy vs. minarhcy, creation vs. evolution, and a hundred other things that matter very little to the overall strategy. But by and large we are on board together when it comes to the message. Why not make use of the community for a truly grassroots project like this? We spend so much time and effort on this board posting our philosophical ramblings and very little effort directly for grassroots projects. So many event posts, moneybombs, and creative ideas get lost and buried on this forum that it's kind of sad. So many of us are just hammering that "new post" button and using RPF as a news feed. And if you've been on here a while you've likely seen good ideas and worthy events get ignored and buried. Wouldn't it be awesome if you could have a central group of people to send an event idea to and have it directly mailed to supporters in your area who are able and close enough to attend? Wouldn't it be great to have somewhere to point the newcomers to when they want to know how to get involved?

[[[SUMMARY]]]

So we don't need facebook, twitter, youtube or meetup to build our core around. Yes these things are awesome but they are secondary to the overall system which I believe should be a collaboratively maintained event organization and notification scheme. We build our network of supporters and we make a "footprint" on the web using a network of RPF threads so that people can see what is happening, what was happening, and have a concrete view of how the movement is growing. Wouldn't it be great to actually know how many of us there are? Wouldn't it be great to register an event in one place and have it broadcast to the right people instead of posting a thread that you bump a few times and still get only 50 views mostly by people who aren't even in your area? Yes there is some effort involved in setting this up. It might take a couple months before we get enough states up and running to make an impact and build a substantial supporter base. I think though that this effort is necessary and is not being done by anyone else at the moment. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[[[GROUND ZERO]]]

I posted this thread after seeing all the angst and apathy surrounding the emails from the 2012 campaign indicating that they were scaling back the campaign. Many have said "it's over" and "what now", etc. What's going to happen to the movement? There's will be no more Ron Paul to glue the movement together. And why should Ron be the glue. He did his part. He carried the cross for all of us for five years. Isn't it time for us to pick it up and carry on?

I see this point in the movement as kind of a ground zero. Ron built us up so much and added droves of people who now believe in the message. Will we fall back and splinter or will we explode? I think this could be a great opportunity. We no longer have people telling us that this or that strategy isn't helping Ron win. Or that saying this or that is hurting Ron. Now the movement can unfold in whatever direction it needs to in order to bring as many people to the message as possible. We can spread our money more liberally now towards smaller elections that we know we can win. This isn't the time to give up and go home, this is the time to get off our asses and get our boots on the ground and make a difference in our community instead of following lock-step every order coming from the national campaign and ignoring everything else. Liberty supporters should be everywhere. Infiltrating the GOP the Dems, the occupiers, the libertarians, popping our heads out of your morning latte. There's plenty of events happening around us all the time. We just need people mining the web for these events, scouring meetup and facebook for supporters, adding them to the list, and broadcasting to them what's happening in their area. It's work yes but compared to how much a committed RPF'er posts about non-relevant stuff it isn't a whole hell of a lot of work.

When will the Ron Paul campaign morph back into the R3VOLUTION? When will Ron Paul Forums be Liberty Forest?

I think the time is now. I wanted to post along these lines after the campaign was over but now that it's clear in the minds of most on here that Ron isn't going to grab the nomination it's now about what's next. I think what's next is to build the movement from the ground up. To do that I believe the key ingredient that is missing in the movement is a simple event management and notification system as described above. We need our own email list. We need a network of threads that show people what's going on and how to participate. Something to me that seems obvious and simple and easy to implement.

My challenge to all of you here at RPF is to read the post and tell me if you think this idea is something we need and is a priority or whether you think something else is more fundamental. I think without this we're going to deteriorate. Without a way to keep our supporters on the same page we're going to splinter. Let's build it, let's bring back some of the supporters we've lost, let's widen our scope to bring more people in from the left and the right. We don't need magic websites or some concrete plan of action we just need to be informed of what's happening so supporters can plug themselves in. I believe setting this up will strengthen and organize the movement in a concrete tangible way and by providing event feedback we will motivate supporters to continue to participate.

That's all I wanted to say for now. Epic post complete.
 
My Part

I have a substantial amount of time I can spend on RPF currently. A few hours a day minimum. Anyone who's interested in participating please PM me your email and state and whether you'd be willing to be a national coordinator or a state level agent (or both). I'll start by simply collecting emails and noting the participants on this thread so we can gage interest. Initially I think I'll post all state level events on a national thread. Instead of a monthly thread I'll post a 2nd/3rd quarter event thread then a 4th quarter thread in October. If the thread gets too overloaded we'll start breaking it down by states and linking to them from the national thread. The initial job will be to harvest events from wherever you can find them or start your own and then email them to national coordinator at first until we have enough events to warrant its own state thread (after which you will start your own state thread, again probably by quarter instead of monthly until it becomes too bloated). Also would need to scour around and collect emails for people in your state (if you're a state agent). At first you can just start PM'ing RPF'ers in your state for their emails and then perhaps go to meetup/facebook etc.

Hopefully this shouldn't be too confusing. Everyone is essentially doing the same thing. Look for events and email them to the proper person who will update the event thread. Initially just email them to me, I'll reply to your PM and give you my direct email. Gather supporter emails and save them on a shared google doc (viewable and editable only by NC's and PSA/SSA's). I will also handle the email list at first and will coordinate with PSA's to set up their own google doc for their state level email lists when we get enough. When there are sufficient events posted we'll blast an email out to relevant parties. Maybe weekly at first, it will take some time to build the event list obviously. Once I start getting enough events and enough people interested in being national coordinators I'll create a google spreadsheet I'll share with the other national coordinators (viewable by all, editable by NC's) that's linked from the national event thread. The google spreadsheet is necessary to allow others to update the national thread if I'm away, though I'm hoping some mods will be NC's so they can update the OP themselves if the thread creator is away. There will be a lag between emailing me the event and updating the thread but shouldn't be a problem unless you're emailing me an event that's one or two days away.

So if you're interested, you can subscribe to this thread and check back here for what's initially happening. I'll post a list of RPF'ers on this post who are interested, and will answer questions about the overall setup in this thread. So initially until I get the impetus to document the process further in a more organized fashion (after I've gaged interest) this thread will act as the instruction manual.

I'm not trying to be a leader or tell anyone to do. If this is going to work, everyone has to help post events and get emails of supporters. The NC's and PSA's need to be active though to keep up with events in their area and make sure the emails are actually going out.

If you think the idea/system could be improved please let me know and I'll update my posts/OP. My hope is that we get enough people interested that this can be a grassroots sticky, we'll see.

[LIST OF INTERESTED RPF SUPPORTERS]


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Not going to lie, I did not read it all.. but understand the concept. I think, if you can get the people at the various Paul sites into one medium, would be a major step but difficult.

I think the time is now. I wanted to post along these lines after the campaign was over but now that it's clear in the minds of most on here that Ron isn't going to grab the nomination it's now about what's next.

The time is always now. As far as Paul getting the nomination, I have yet to see any factual evidence that he has been eliminated. I admit that things may not appear to be favorable, but things don't always appear as they seem and the improbable happens every day. Stay Focused, Stay Determined. At worse, we'll only be stronger at the convention.
 
I think we also need a massive effort to get the information out that Ron Paul is still in the race and CAN WIN. We should be doing that on EVERY site imaginable. THAT should be THE message.
 
As long as we get this done by the Iowa Caucuses, we got a chance to win this thing.

Oh wait. It's May 2012.
 
I think we also need a massive effort to get the information out that Ron Paul is still in the race and CAN WIN. We should be doing that on EVERY site imaginable. THAT should be THE message.

I'm with on Paul can still win, but I wouldn't pass this on the masses, only the supporters. The reason is that MSM has done their job by marginalizing Paul as a serious contender. I think the reason for this past week statements was to turn the media attention away on the delegate wins as we all saw how Romney Inc. countered that. As far as the information for the masses, highlight what Romney did in Nevada without given the reason behind it so people can figure it out on their own. Also, show how Romney and Obama have the same donors and same positions on the issues that matters and dismiss all of the character attacks and non-relevant items as the distractions they are.

Paul chose not to waste money on media ads since he cannot compete with Wall Street's money and for those people that are left that do not know Paul, a tv ad will not sway them anyhow. Paul needs delegates, not votes.
 
Isn't there an event calendar on here? For the record I receive emails from my area's liberty group but I have no clue if any of them even come to this forum. Actually I just started coming here a couple of months ago even though I've been a Paul supporter for years and participated in the 2008 elections.
 
I would be interested in helping for certain, my one question has to do with whether RPF is a big enough base to do this from. To make this sort of thing effective we'd have to be able to reach a large number of our supporters in our state. I don't know that we have such a base of posters in NY. That being said, this idea is fantastic if we can get it off the ground. We need a central place to communicate on a national and local level.


That being said, put me down as a Primary State Agent for New York, ideally in NY if we're gonna have 3-4 PSA's we should split them half into the upstate NY category and half into NYC. Lets try and make this work!
 
what might be useful is for someone to buy the meetup groups before they die. Or grab the email addresses before the meetup groups die.
 
Not going to lie, I did not read it all.. but understand the concept. I think, if you can get the people at the various Paul sites into one medium, would be a major step but difficult.





The time is always now. As far as Paul getting the nomination, I have yet to see any factual evidence that he has been eliminated. I admit that things may not appear to be favorable, but things don't always appear as they seem and the improbable happens every day. Stay Focused, Stay Determined. At worse, we'll only be stronger at the convention.

IF we organize, Romney will die.

If Romney doesn't die, he's the likely nominee.

Some could argue that a successful organization of the Ron Paul grassroots will not automatically make Romney just keel over dead, but they can't prove that.

This organization thing, right now, May 2012, is pretty much a waste of time. A year ago, or 9 months ago, or 6 months go, I was suggesting something like this.

I don't see the positive benefit of this, at this point. The effort is better spent elsewhere.

Delegates. There will be some 2285 or so delegates in Tampa. We need 1144 to win. That 2285 will be the target of our message. That's assuming we aren't a day late and a dollar short.

There are also states that are still picking delegates. There needs to be organization in those states. But organization in the convention context simply means that there are people in charge in those states, and they know what they're doing, they have the information and resources they need to get as many delegates as they can.

Useful organization at this point = a chip in for a state convention? A useful thread here about each of the specific state conventions where the link to the chip in could be.
 
Thanks for the hard work on this idea. But - central planning doesn't work. Please consider putting this effort into organizing your own local area: your block, precinct, town, and district. If everyone did that, our rEVOLution would be unstoppable.
 
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I respectfully disagree, central planning is essential in some aspects of the rEVOLution. Without central planning there's no huge money bombs, and if we have a central hub for grassroots activity that also branches into the local hubs we can make a huge difference.


Thanks for the hard work on this idea. But - central planning doesn't work. Please consider putting this effort into organizing your own local area: your block, precinct, town, and district. If everyone did that, our rEVOLution would be unstoppable.
 
I'm in. I'm in TN. [email protected] Probably just as important to find more liberty minded folks as it is to join your local gop's

I think the most mind blowing thing is there are Ron Paul supporters all over the place but its hard to direct them to ONE place so we can find out who they are. We had our primary on super tuesday. We did a sign wave and put up yard/homemade signs. There were other groups in our little town but we have no idea who they are or where to find them. Heck just last week a bunch of Ron Paul official campaign signs got put up around town. Its not someone from our meetup that I know of.

I would bet that we might be able with some organization and high end supporters to be able to get the campaigns email addresses. That would be a way to really organize going into 2014 and more importantly 2016. My wife's business does a quarterly email, that would be a great way to keep in contact and let everyone know we're all here. My guess is this place dies down a bit when we're not in election mode.

It is PARAMOUNT that we keep everyone connected and keep pushing for victory in the years that follow. Not to take anything away from this year but we're all here because we're concerned about the future. Lets keep the concern and connection going!!!
 
These replies are for non-bolded text. To see my reply to everything bolded, see my bolded reply at bottom.

Not going to lie, I did not read it all.. but understand the concept. I think, if you can get the people at the various Paul sites into one medium, would be a major step but difficult.



The time is always now. As far as Paul getting the nomination, I have yet to see any factual evidence that he has been eliminated. I admit that things may not appear to be favorable, but things don't always appear as they seem and the improbable happens every day. Stay Focused, Stay Determined. At worse, we'll only be stronger at the convention.

I don't think you have to read it all to get the basic point. It's a collaboratively maintained email list that we use to push out event info to supporters organized by location. The forum is used as a feedback tool to post what happened and what will happen and also for supporters to actually SEE how big the movement is and what its been doing. It definitely would be a major step in the right direction I think. And yeah, initially it would be difficult because the event harvesting would be slow at first and our email list will be small.

But yes one medium. And one simple medium, email. Everyone has and uses email. Not everyone has and uses all these different social platforms including RPF. I only stress using RPF because it has a core group of supporters who in general understand and are in agreeance with the overall message. And only organizers need to be RPF members, we can simply email supporters and have links to general info that target public subforums. No need for everyone to be an RPF member, though would be encouraged.

I think we also need a massive effort to get the information out that Ron Paul is still in the race and CAN WIN. We should be doing that on EVERY site imaginable. THAT should be THE message.

As long as we get this done by the Iowa Caucuses, we got a chance to win this thing.

Oh wait. It's May 2012.

I'm with on Paul can still win, but I wouldn't pass this on the masses, only the supporters. The reason is that MSM has done their job by marginalizing Paul as a serious contender. I think the reason for this past week statements was to turn the media attention away on the delegate wins as we all saw how Romney Inc. countered that. As far as the information for the masses, highlight what Romney did in Nevada without given the reason behind it so people can figure it out on their own. Also, show how Romney and Obama have the same donors and same positions on the issues that matters and dismiss all of the character attacks and non-relevant items as the distractions they are.

Paul chose not to waste money on media ads since he cannot compete with Wall Street's money and for those people that are left that do not know Paul, a tv ad will not sway them anyhow. Paul needs delegates, not votes.

Isn't there an event calendar on here? For the record I receive emails from my area's liberty group but I have no clue if any of them even come to this forum. Actually I just started coming here a couple of months ago even though I've been a Paul supporter for years and participated in the 2008 elections.

Yes there's a calendar which at the moment only lists primary dates and convention dates. No one is really posting other events from what I've been noticing and the problem with using it would be that all the supporters would have to check it and if they want to be "reminded" they'd have to go on there themselves and click "remind me". Plus there's no organization by location.

It's my opinion that this all has to be done manually. We have to get all the events in one place and then have organizers in each state or section of a state hand tailor the email for their specific events. Then email blast out to the supporters. There are too many variables that would crop up to have this done mechanically (I'm open to debating this if someone knows of a tool that does this). Some supporters might want off a list or put onto another list. Event details might change at the last minute. We can't just have one giant email that goes to everyone and says "hey check here for events in your area". That in my opinion raises the threshhold for participation too high. Not everyone has access to the web all day, but a lot of people have email right on there phones and can RSVP and communicate with an SSA directly. And who is in touch with the organizer of the event? The SSA's need to be clued into who the event organizer is and communicate with them if need be. The event organizers as a practical matter should be on the SSA's list, if not my question would be why? If you are organizing an event in Cityville, USA you should be on that SSA's list, you communicate with SSA and SSA blasts out updates to same area supporters.

So any scheme which references a website like Meetup or Facebook or Twitter and tries to get supporters to "go here for action items" I think will be inefficient. You have to email them directly when we're talking about an average not "on the web all day" supporter. The RP campaign uses email and that's why. Problem with emailing thousands of supporters the same thing from a mass email company is that its all one way. There needs to be somebody the supporter can email back. We need a hierarchal system for this.

I would be interested in helping for certain, my one question has to do with whether RPF is a big enough base to do this from. To make this sort of thing effective we'd have to be able to reach a large number of our supporters in our state. I don't know that we have such a base of posters in NY. That being said, this idea is fantastic if we can get it off the ground. We need a central place to communicate on a national and local level.


That being said, put me down as a Primary State Agent for New York, ideally in NY if we're gonna have 3-4 PSA's we should split them half into the upstate NY category and half into NYC. Lets try and make this work!

I'm PM'ing you for your email and putting you on my list above. You may be lonely for awhile. :)

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There are a lot of organizational tools out there. I think a lot of them fail because supporters have to use them. That's the primary problem in my opinion. Why do we need anything more than an email that says, "we would like you to attend the below events if you have time, please RSVP the sender if you can, click here for details".

What do you think the reason is that the movement at large isn't using tools like this or CFL? There has to be a reason. I think its because people don't want to do work just to figure out what their options are. We should figure out the options and email it to them. Simple as that. Minimize the threshhold for participation.

what might be useful is for someone to buy the meetup groups before they die. Or grab the email addresses before the meetup groups die.

tangent4ronpaul has consistently posted dying meetup groups in his "adopt a meetup" threads. Search "adopt meetup" on forum and you'll see he's been encouraging-albeit with little response-people to save Ron Paul meetup groups since 2008.

IF we organize, Romney will die.

If Romney doesn't die, he's the likely nominee.

Some could argue that a successful organization of the Ron Paul grassroots will not automatically make Romney just keel over dead, but they can't prove that.


This organization thing, right now, May 2012, is pretty much a waste of time. A year ago, or 9 months ago, or 6 months go, I was suggesting something like this.

I don't see the positive benefit of this, at this point. The effort is better spent elsewhere.

Delegates. There will be some 2285 or so delegates in Tampa. We need 1144 to win. That 2285 will be the target of our message. That's assuming we aren't a day late and a dollar short.

There are also states that are still picking delegates. There needs to be organization in those states. But organization in the convention context simply means that there are people in charge in those states, and they know what they're doing, they have the information and resources they need to get as many delegates as they can.

Useful organization at this point = a chip in for a state convention? A useful thread here about each of the specific state conventions where the link to the chip in could be.

Why is this organization think a waste of time? What exactly are we to do for one another when Tampa is over? Why don't you see a positive benefit to organizing events and emailing supporters? It seems to me the positive benefit is pretty clear cut it's just a matter of actually doing it that's the difficult part.

And where would our efforts be "better spent" outside of the RP campaign?

BOLDED RESPONSE TO RP 2012 RESPONSES

This thread has nothing to do with RP 2012. It's obviously too late for an effort like this to happen in any way that would benefit the RP 2012 delegate scheme that's currently being pushed. And I actually expected these responses about "wait! he can still win! that's where our focus needs to be!". Some of you are saying, "this might have been useful a year/6 months ago but useless now". This is a fallacy in my opinion. No one six months ago would be paying attention at all to this. They'd have said as some are even saying now, "we need to focus on supporting the campaign it's Ron Paul or bust no time for other ancillary projects". This project is something I think needs to exist regardless of any campaign, but as long as Ron Paul is in the spotlight I don't think enough people are really that motivated to do this sort of stuff. Even though we need something like this regardless of any campaign, national or not, it's easily ignored while everyone's cheerleading for Ron. So I think the level of support for something like this is only going to be taken seriously by movement at large when Ron is done.

This post is just me getting my thoughts out there about what the movement needs to go forward after Tampa. I'm not trying to disparage peoples efforts to continue supporting the campaign, so if you are wanting to post something that says stuff to the effect of "we should be doing stuff for RP2012 not this" please ignore this thread.

What I'm proposing-or something like it-should have existed long ago after '08. But after '08 is what all about Rand, and after that all about Ron again. Now that this is all ending I think we have a window of opportunity before all the energy starts wearing out and the apathy returns. I think what I'm proposing is on the right track. Time will tell if others agree. I don't think anything magical is going to happen because of this thread. I need to myself make an effort to get this going and see if others think its worth it. Not really a short term goal.


Thanks for all your responses!!!
 
Thanks for the hard work on this idea. But - central planning doesn't work. Please consider putting this effort into organizing your own local area: your block, precinct, town, and district. If everyone did that, our rEVOLution would be unstoppable.

It would take more than both hands to count the number of times I've seen someone post this exact sentiment. That somehow trying to come up with a strategy that addresses the needs of the movement as a whole compromises and violates some unspoken rule that "central planning doesn't work" as you say. Collaboratively maintaining an email list by liberty supporters in order to get out event info to relevant parties doesn't qualify as central planning. And that meme is related to the economy as a whole not to strategies for growing and organizing the liberty movement.

I want to work on the local level personally but I also see a need for supporters to be motivated by viewing feedback for what's happening in other areas. People aren't going to spontaneously start organizing for the cause of liberty all over the country on the local level in some magical "decentralized" way. You need a community of supporters to germinate the effort, like what we have here at RPF. We need organizers to do the work of gathering and organizing events and then emailing appropriate supporters. I believe doing this in a collective fashion will motivate people when they see how many people are involved in the effort. But we have to make the effort.

I am planning to start scouring places like meetup and CFL to get emails names and locations from my area, but haven't done it yet as I just posted this thread today.
 
I get too many emails already. I don't want one about events hours away from where I am. Info about local stuff would be useful. Maybe separate the 'action' items from the 'inspiration' items. Send actual info on the action items; send links to the inspiration items.
 
PM'ing you added you to list above. Thanx.

I'm responding to your other post, the one above this.

Oh, for AFTER Tampa? Sure. Why not? One person going over the data available on the internet could complete this project in a year.

You're talking emails emails emails. Sounds good. We should get rid of meetups entirely. The meetup website is like any other website, but it requires payment. Facebook isn't trustworthy. I think you're right to focus on emails.

If you're talking about work now for 2014 or 2016, dividing this into states, putting together an organizational structure is a way to go. Maine was state and then county.

At this point, gathering and saving and organizing data - emails, addresses, phone numbers, etc.
 
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