United Nations Envisions Transhumanist Future Where Man is Obsolete

[Demigod]

Technically you'd have to do more than "copy" your conscious. If you just made a copy, you'd still be in your body, and a clone of your conscious would be in the floppy disk. But anyways, what goes on in our brains is not that different than what goes on inside a computer.

Yes but our brain is our computer.If I copy everything from my computers hard disk to another computer and then smash mine with a hammer that does not make the computer that I transferred all the data to the same computer.

We are not our memories or experiences we are our brains.Even if you have amnesia you are still alive.The computer that would have the transplanted copy of my personality would just be a copy of my personality and not me I am my brain.

Although this future is very shitty it is still one of humanity's most probable future.In time we will tend to lose our biological form (because of its disadvantages ) or find ways to perfect it ( evolve/mess with the genes )

 

[tttppp]

Yes but our brain is our computer.If I copy everything from my computers hard disk to another computer and then smash mine with a hammer that does not make the computer that I transferred all the data to the same computer.

We are not our memories or experiences we are our brains.Even if you have amnesia you are still alive.The computer that would have the transplanted copy of my personality would just be a copy of my personality and not me I am my brain.

Although this future is very shitty it is still one of humanity's most probable future.In time we will tend to lose our biological form (because of its disadvantages ) or find ways to perfect it ( evolve/mess with the genes )

The computers you see today are still just the beginning. Over time they can be advanced to store our consciousness and put it in new bodies. Its really just a matter of time...outside of a disaster than would kill us all.

 

[Voluntary Man]

Cyberkinetic imortality. LOVE IT. HAHAHAHHA. That's funny to be honest.

if you call being murdered by, and then impersonated by a machine "immortality."

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

NO thanks!

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Bump

 

[ZenBowman]

Pretty awesome stuff, the potential is limitless.

Glad to see some elites are thinking positively.

Amazing that this is so hated by so-called "liberty lovers", in a free world, transhumanism would naturally be the dominant form of culture - in fact, you could say that someone who uses a modern smartphone is already 95% on the way to transhuman status.

 

[flynn]

Pretty awesome stuff, the potential is limitless.

Glad to see some elites are thinking positively.

Amazing that this is so hated by so-called "liberty lovers", in a free world, transhumanism would naturally be the dominant form of culture - in fact, you could say that someone who uses a modern smartphone is already 95% on the way to transhuman status.

I don't need someone else to tell me what's best for me, thank you very much. You could convince me though since you're the one who believes.

 

[Working Poor]

transhumanism would naturally be the dominant form of culture

I am sorry I don't call it natural

 

[r3volution]

all i know is that if there is not a nano robot alex jones in 2045 im leaving this dimension .

 

[EvilEngineer]

The time line is a bit aggressive. I don't doubt the vector that is proposed, however it is not for most people. As they mentioned people fail to map out the future even by a few days. How many can handle immortality with a future mapped out in eons.

 

[reasondeep]

Has anyone here actually tried studying consciousness? Or the brain for that matter? We still haven't a certain clue as to how memories are physically stored. We know much about different forms of memory, but as far as the nature of how its stored has not been elucidated. There are theories that speak of neuronal connections somehow are related to the formation of memories - and learning the details of that is truthfully so very far away. I'm not saying it's impossible - but considering the number of neurons we have in our brain and the number of possible connections (possible connections exceed the number of atoms in the observable universe). Not to mention 50% of our brain cells are astrocytes, not neurons - the function of astrocytes was thought to be related mainly just for scaffolding the neurons, but that was an unfounded assumption and there are many unexpected things being learned about the function of astrocytes. Their role is far more than scaffolding.

Furthermore, understanding what consciousness truly is is a huge mystery. There is in fact much evidence of a collective consciousness - when you count this in, and try to individually separate a consciousness from a collective one, it seems extremely difficult - almost as if breaking it prior to trying to piece it together again. That is, unless the nature and mechanisms of collection consciousness is completely understood.

I'm not trying to take a particular stance, but it seems many are vastly underestimating the brain. To say it is simply like a computer is enormously simplistic in my opinion.

 

[Demigod]

Pretty awesome stuff, the potential is limitless.

Glad to see some elites are thinking positively.

Amazing that this is so hated by so-called "liberty lovers", in a free world, transhumanism would naturally be the dominant form of culture - in fact, you could say that someone who uses a modern smartphone is already 95% on the way to transhuman status.

I don't think it is that simple. Transferring to a robotic body leads to the same problem robocop 1 had and that is human ego.Imagine waking up after a procedure to be stuck in what to you will be a metal coffin.I think that finding ways to upgrade our physical form would be much better in the short run.

 

[KingNothing]

This is amazing technology that has the possibility to open the enitre universe up to mankind.

 

[KingNothing]

I don't think it is that simple. Transferring to a robotic body leads to the same problem robocop 1 had and that is human ego.Imagine waking up after a procedure to be stuck in what to you will be a metal coffin.I think that finding ways to upgrade our physical form would be much better in the short run.

That's the ultimate end. Basically what happens now is that or DNA breaks down after roughly 120 years, making it nearly impossible to live much beyond that point because cells have a harder time accurately replacing themselves. What this technology will allow is for cell replication to be "guided" or, ultimately, made unnecessary.

Kurzweil's work is stunning. I encourage everyone to read it. It's interesting stuff, and it certainly does give us reason to look forward to the future.

 

[KingNothing]

I am sorry I don't call it natural

Right, and just as people once said "this flip phone is good enough" several years before buying their iPhones, iPads, iPods, Kindles, and Droids they'll be saying what you've just said for years. And then we'll reach a point where the perks of transhumanism are self-evident and almost everyone (but certainly not everyone) will make the jump.

At some point it will require very thoughtful examinations of our destiny and deeply introspective observations of life, the universe, and our role as individuals and as an organism with in it. It will be a challenging philosophical process.

 

[KingNothing]

You couldn't take your physical memories/experiences with you. You'd have to re-learn everything you're accustomed to doing.

Why? Right now your statement is correct, but it's absurd to suggest that will always be true.

 

[KingNothing]

Continuity of consciousness, vague philosophical metaphysical discussion talk & ect.

I just see it as hubris myself.

But if people like that, whatever really. I guess I could buy in. I wouldn't consider it as my immortality, though.
I'm not copied data on a floppy drive.

I think you have to see yourself as a cog in a larger machine, in an Aurelian sense. It requires the belief that you are of the universe and the universe is of you, that first you must overcome individual suffering, then alleviate that of those around you, then spread Life to all corners of the universe. You'd have to live in accordance with nature, as you overcame it.

What an interesting philosophical dilemma, though -- To live forever, with no enemies and your only struggle being to find enough things to keep your interest and entertain you as you travel through the universe or stay on whatever piece of land you call home. It really would require an inner peace, an overcoming of all negative, irrational impulses and a mastering of base instincts. A sort of stoic mind-set, hedged with an ability to.... seek virtuous pleasure and enjoyment.

Certainly, it's interesting stuff.

 

[undergroundrr]

Transhumanism is one of the main reasons I'm a Ron Paul supporter. It's depressing to think that this tiny corner of an insigificant solar system on the outskirts of a non-descript spiral galaxy is all I'll ever see of a wondrous universe.

I was a big fan of Max More's very libertarian Extropy concept back in the early 90's. It suggested that free markets and spontaneous order will create the prosperity and technological progress necessary for humans to do whatever they want with their bodies and destinies.

I would be delighted if my wife, children and heroes (such as RP) lived lives of eons, could dictate their own physical destinies and live with total self-determination. Anybody who believes humans should be limited from this should really consider adopting the non-aggression principle.

What's the UN got to do with it? They can only hamper transhumanism. Good for Ray Kurzweil for getting such a forum to promote his ideas. But his message should be "Get the hell out of my way."

 

[xkrazy201x]

Man believes in God. Man rejects God. Man believes in Evolution. Man shapes society by his new belief system. Despite not believing in Him, Man attempts to become like Him: Transhumanism. God destroys man. Fin.

 

[libertyfanatic]

Pass the soma please.