United Israel Palestine (UIP)?

[Brian4Liberty]

With so much international importance and conflict that results from border, territory and settlement issues between Israel and Palestine, why not just create a united state? There is always talk of a two-state solution, but that results in constant territory disputes. Why not merge them into a single nation? Obama gave a speech this week about a solution being possible, so why is a one state solution not considered?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21850739

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/23/is_the_two_state_solution_finally_dead/singleton/

 

[gwax23]

I agree Yugoslavia worked great and is a good model for the future.

Hell Syria, Iraq are current models that are showing increasing promise.

 

[fr33]

Because both sides would want a legal structure that discriminates against the other.

 

[talkingpointes]

Sounds ideal, but once a shot is fired from either side - all bets are off. I could be wrong. I would love nothing more then peace on this earth.

 

[bolil]

Unlikely

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Sounds ideal, but once a shot is fired from either side - all bets are off. I could be wrong. I would love nothing more then peace on this earth.

It seems like the idea is gaining support from many sides. It might even result in less people in the Arab or Muslim world using Israel for propaganda purposes. No more militarized "borders", with free movement of people in a united state might eliminate the perception that Israel is an apartheid state.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Because both sides would want a legal structure that discriminates against the other.

Perhaps that would be a motivation to have a more libertarian government that doesn't meddle as much? Or maybe there would be small states which might have slightly different laws, such as the United States has.

 

[Smart3]

Creating a Bosnia in the region isn't a good idea. If one considers the Palestinians to be a people (and therefore have a right to self-determination) then they should establish a state in Gaza. There's no reason to give them Judea and Samaria, which are permanent parts of Israel. (even if you think they shouldn't be, they are)

Removing Gaza's pop of 1,657,155, and adding 1,714,845 of the West Bank to Israel, the total population would be 7,765,700 giving a population of 9.5 million and less than 30% of the population being Arab. No right of return for the descendants of Palestinian exiles, almost all of whom left of their own free will.

I also support Feiglin's plan of offering to pay the Arabs to leave.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I agree Yugoslavia worked great and is a good model for the future.

Creating a Bosnia in the region isn't a good idea.

The situation now is just as bad. With a united nation, there wouldn't be any border to fire homemade rockets over.

 

[jcannon98188]

It wouldn't solve anything sadly. Israel would still be invading other Muslim Nations and the Palestinians will be up in arms about it.

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

Jewish racial supremacist ideology is why that would never happen.

 

[gwax23]

The situation now is just as bad. With a united nation, there wouldn't be any border to fire homemade rockets over.

The situation now is nothing compared to the examples I provided previously, being Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, among many others. History has shown that these states do not last and only lead to more violence and destruction. Self Determination is a right and forcing two peoples to be under the same flag when neither wants it will only lead to more bloodshed not less. I agree fully with Smart3 on this issue.

Jewish racial supremacist ideology is why that would never happen.

Oh shut up.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Self Determination is a right and forcing two peoples to be under the same flag when neither wants it will only lead to more bloodshed not less.

I'm no expert on the subject, I just read what was in the article. It sounds like the idea is gaining support from many Israelis.

But many experts, as well as ordinary Israelis and Palestinians, now believe the two-state option should be abandoned or at least reconsidered.
...
On Israel's left and far right in particular, as well as among Palestinian activists, there is renewed talk of a one-state solution.
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In recent years, more Israeli leftists and Palestinian thinkers have made the ideological case for a single bi-national state giving equal citizenship and rights to all residents of Israel and the Palestinian territories.

Even some on Israel's right - like the former Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin, who is a member of Mr Netanyahu's Likud party - say they would prefer this to a division of the land.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21850739

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Looking at a map, it might also make sense to merge the West Bank with Jordan, and Gaza with Egypt.

 

[gwax23]

Looking at a map, it might also make sense to merge the West Bank with Jordan, and Gaza with Egypt.

That would be a better solution and has been proposed in the past. Parts of the west Bank would remain would Israel though under most versions of this.

Also to the article you sighted "One State solution" means different things to different people. To left wing israelis it means as this thread suggests a single bi national state for Palestinians and Israelis a Yugoslavia Model. For Right wing Israelis it means simply transferring sovereignty of the West bank to israel.

 

[armstrong]

just put the united nations in Gaza and then it will work

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Removing Gaza's pop of 1,657,155, and adding 1,714,845 of the West Bank to Israel, the total population would be 7,765,700 giving a population of 9.5 million and less than 30% of the population being Arab. No right of return for the descendants of Palestinian exiles, almost all of whom left of their own free will.

What about freedom of travel and migration?

It seems the concern is about numbers. If the West Bank becomes part of Jordan, and Gaza becomes part of Egypt, then there is no longer a problem with numbers. At that point, people could immigrate back into today's Israel if they or their parents used to live in what is now Israel. They could be carefully screened, and become Israeli citizens.

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

Oh shut up.

Did I strike a nerve ? The Jewish holy book preaches racial supremacism on a secular level. That's basically the root core of this entire conflict, and maybe even the conflicts Jews have had with everyone else for the last thousand or so years.

 

[fr33]

Did I strike a nerve ? The Jewish holy book preaches racial supremacism on a secular level. That's basically the root core of this entire conflict, and maybe even the conflicts Jews have had with everyone else for the last thousand or so years.

Racial and religious supremacism is what both sides harbor. That is what is stopping a one state solution and is why a two state solution seems more likely, even though that doesn't seem very likely to happen.

The current Israeli laws are discriminatory towards non-jews. The same could be said if the current Palestinians owned the percentage of land the Israelis do today.

The most peaceful solution lies withing the realization of both sides that there was a time when the Jews were a minority and they were not treated the same way the Palestinians are treated today. You simply cannot support the Israeli settlements and claim to support liberty or any incremental form of cooperation as long as Israeli settlements continue to be built.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The "rationale" of the conflict in that reason is quite beyond anything we Westerners are used to. It's just something you have to let them sort out for themselves. This also requires ending welfare to everyone there. I don't see the conflict ending anytime soon because it benefits the bankers.