U.S. Pro-Life Groups Bite Their Tongues as Israel Expands Abortion Coverage

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So much for principles for these so-called "pro-life" groups. It's hard to think of more disgusting knuckle dragging hypocrites than the CUFI crowd.


U.S. Pro-Life Groups Bite Their Tongues as Israel Expands Abortion Coverage

The Jewish State will spend millions more to subsidize the controversial procedure this year. Why that doesn’t anger the American right.
You would expect conservative groups to go ballistic when it comes to taxpayer funding of abortions, but when Israel announced just that last month, the news was greeted with a subdued response among pro-life and pro-Israel groups in the U.S.

Israel will pay for all approved abortions for women aged 20 to 33, thanks to a recommendation accepted by its health ministry. Starting this year, Israel will spend 16 million shekels ($4.6 million) to cover abortions for approximately 6,300 women.

“There is a large group of women between 20 and 40 who for various reasons—financial or reasons of secrecy—do not terminate pregnancies,” said Dr. Jonathan Halevy, the chairman of the “health basket” committee that recommended the policy, adding that he hopes universal abortion coverage is approved next.

Until now, as the Times of Israel points out, the cheapest privately funded abortions cost the equivalent of $1,500, while their publicly funded counterparts cost $714. Only women under 18 and over 40 were allowed to receive these cheaper abortions, while everyone else was forced to pay much more.

Ari Morgenstern, spokesman for Christians United for Israel (CUFI), which boasts more than 1 million members nationwide, the abortion policy won’t change the organization’s support for the Jewish State.

“CUFI is a single-issue organization that supports the democratically elected government of Israel regardless of whether or not we agree with the decisions taken by that government,” he said.

Tom McClusky a spokesman for the March for Life said, “It seems that especially while a lot of Europe and also Russia and the former Soviet Union is having trouble keeping up with birthrates, that it’d be a pretty poor policy for a country to take right now.” When asked if he thought the new provision might alienate pro-Israel American conservatives, McClusky added, “A lot of people that I’ve partnered with here and at my former job [the Family Research Council] who were pro-Israel were also pro-life. It seems they’d just be another country where we’d be looking to overturn a law.”

Dr. Charmaine Yoest, the CEO of Americans United for Life (AUL), decided to use Jewish law as a defense, saying “In a meaningful passage, the Talmud teaches that ‘Whosoever preserves a single soul…, [it is] as though he had preserved a complete world.’ Unborn lives are rich with possibilities and worth saving and government should never be used to harm life and harm women.”

“People who support Israel—even if they’re conservative on social values—they’re lives are not going to be changed by [this issue,]” said Steve Rosen, a former leading official at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). “One of the things you have to remember is that Israel’s abortion policy was liberal last year too, very liberal—one of the most liberal in the world—and they went even further in that direction.”

And, of course, it goes both ways, “The people who are the furthest left on the abortion issue,” says Rosen, “are not going to be so happy about this news that it’s going to change their unhappiness with Israel’s settlement policy.”

For the American right, Israel as an idea and Israel as a state with its own domestic policy, seems to remain separate.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...gues-as-israel-expands-abortion-coverage.html
 
“CUFI is a single-issue organization that supports the democratically elected government of Israel regardless of whether or not we agree with the decisions taken by that government,” he said.

Democracy worship is disgusting. After all, it was only GOD who told you not to kill, but "democracy" trumps God for these peeps, I guess...

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If you look at my posting history you'd know I'm no supporter of Israel, but why would American pro-life groups be outspoken on abortion policy in Israel any more than they would be in England or France?

Then if you read the article it cites CUFI and AIPAC officials in order to somehow make its point about pro-life groups? I'm just not following. Of course Zionist groups will continue to support Zionist Israel.
 
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I wonder how the CFR would comment on this subject? How about the "Conservative" Republican Jewish Congress(RJC)? Com'on so-called, conservatives Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, & Brian Kilmeade? YEAH RIGHT... :rolleyes:

Conservative my ass, it's a Con Game from the hypocrites to lie and deceive. Again, all one has to look at is the most common denominator between all these clowns and their pay stubs.
 
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Why would any Zionist groups be trying to dictate abortion policy in Israel, conservative or not?
 
If you look at my posting history you'd know I'm no supporter of Israel, but why would American pro-life groups be outspoken on abortion policy in Israel any more than they would be in England or France?

Because American tax payers are paying for those abortions in Israel.
 
Because American tax payers are paying for those abortions in Israel.

Is there any evidence to support that? American tax payers primarily support the Israeli military against Palestinian aggression, not abortions.
 
Is there any evidence to support that? American tax payers primarily support the Israeli military against Palestinian aggression, not abortions.

Money is fungible. If we give the government of Israel money, and the government of Israel funds abortions, then we fund abortions.

Saying we don't is like saying that the money we give Planned Parenthood doesn't fund abortions just because they earmark it for other things, as if one dollar's any different than another.

ETA: I like that little propagandist jab in there, "against Palestinian aggression." Nice touch.
 
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Why would any Zionist groups be trying to dictate abortion policy in Israel, conservative or not?

Well, it shows that their pro-life principles take a back seat to their zionist principles. Otherwise, why would they want to support a government that is pro-murder in the womb?
 
Because American tax payers are paying for those abortions in Israel.
Our money to Israel is to enrich the MIC, not to pay for their healthcare. Pretty sure they pay for their healthcare with their own shekels.
 
Money is fungible. If we give the government of Israel money, and the government of Israel funds abortions, then we fund abortions.

Saying we don't is like saying that the money we give Planned Parenthood doesn't fund abortions just because they earmark it for other things, as if one dollar's any different than another.

ETA: I like that little propagandist jab in there, "against Palestinian aggression." Nice touch.

In other words, you have no evidence at all.

Are you also saying that Israel shouldn't defend itself against anti-Semites who are bent on killing Jews? I know Rand Paul agrees that Israel has every right to defend itself and an attack on Israel is an attack on America.
 
Well, it shows that their pro-life principles take a back seat to their zionist principles. Otherwise, why would they want to support a government that is pro-murder in the womb?
These groups don't even advocate for pro-life principles in America. Don't know why they'd advocate for them elsewhere. The title of this thread should read "U.S. Zionist Groups Bite Their Tongues as Israel Expands Abortion Coverage".
 
Our money to Israel is to enrich the MIC, not to pay for their healthcare. Pretty sure they pay for their healthcare with their own shekels.

Same thing.

Money is fungible.

How do people not get this?

This was the whole point of the Mexico City Policy. Somehow it apparently doesn't apply in the case of Israel.
 
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In other words, you have no evidence at all.

Are you also saying that Israel shouldn't defend itself against anti-Semites who are bent on killing Jews? I know Rand Paul agrees that Israel has every right to defend itself and an attack on Israel is an attack on America.

What do you mean no evidence? Do you really need evidence that the US federal government gives financial aid to the government of Israel, paid for by taxes levied against Americans, and that the government of Israel funds abortions? Which part of that do you dispute?

No. I'm saying American taxpayers shouldn't be violently coerced pay for Israel's defense. If you want to send your own money to the government of Israel, you can just do that. You don't need your own government to force you to.

And if I did want to help the people of Israel, the last group I'd be sending money to is the regime that rules over them. Can you imagine telling someone who wanted to help Americans that the way to do that would be by giving their money to the federal government?

What's with your screen name. Is that talking about Ronald Reagan?
 
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In other words, you have no evidence at all.

Are you also saying that Israel shouldn't defend itself against anti-Semites who are bent on killing Jews? I know Rand Paul agrees that Israel has every right to defend itself and an attack on Israel is an attack on America.

That's because Rand Paul has to pander to sheep just like you.

These groups don't even advocate for pro-life principles in America. Don't know why they'd advocate for them elsewhere. The title of this thread should read "U.S. Zionist Groups Bite Their Tongues as Israel Expands Abortion Coverage".

The thing is, its supposedly a Christian group. Which I guess doesn't mean much. But, I still find it disgusting when Christians put the Israeli government over innocent life. That said, I get your point.
What do you mean no evidence? Do you really need evidence that the US federal government gives financial aid to the government of Israel, paid for by taxes levied against Americans, and that the government of Israel funds abortions? Which part of that do you dispute?

They don't understand your point about money. I get what you're saying but I'm having a tough time articulating it in a way that makes sense.

No. I'm saying American taxpayers shouldn't be violently coerced pay for Israel's defense. If you want to send your own money to the government of Israel, you can just do that. You don't need your own government to force you to.

Yep.
What's with your screen name. Is that talking about Ronald Reagan?

Probably. I've never heard RON Paul (The one the forum is actually named after, BTW) saying "an attack on Israel is an attack on the US."

That said, I knew that if this forum went to a Rand Paul type focus we'd get the Rand but not Ron people. Frankly, I'm not really interested in having those people here, but its up to Bryan.
 
No. I'm saying American taxpayers shouldn't be violently coerced pay for Israel's defense.

Lucky for me, Rand disagrees with you. Israel has been defending the West from Islamic terrorists for decades now.

And if I did want to help the people of Israel, the last group I'd be sending money to is the regime that rules over them.

The government of Israel has prevented suicide bombings from the Palestinian anti-Semites. They are the best government the Jewish people could ever have. As a Jew, I have faith in that government.
 
Can someone help explain this comment to me?

“People who support Israel—even if they’re conservative on social values—they’re lives are not going to be changed by [this issue,]” said Steve Rosen, a former leading official at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)."

Is he really saying that pro-lifers shouldn't be concerned because their own lives aren't affected by Israeli abortions?
 
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