U.S. House of Representatives backs Ukraine and Georgia NATO bids

[New Governor Of Alaska]

This is historical event.... and a dangerous one.
All I can say is this - United States is pushing for war with Russia.
The neo-cons are NOT thinking. They have sh1t for brains.

To place bases in Ukraine is a PROVOCATION. Russia will launch a preemptive nuclear strike against USA.....

WASHINGTON, April 1 (RIA Novosti) - The U.S. House of Representatives has unanimously expressed its support for a resolution calling for the acceptance of Georgia and Ukraine into the NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP).

The resolution, which is not legally binding, reads that, "the United States should take the lead in supporting the awarding of a Membership Action Plan to Georgia and Ukraine as soon as possible."

It also stated that "a stronger, deeper relationship among the Government of Georgia, the Government of Ukraine, and NATO will be mutually beneficial to those countries and to NATO member states."

Ukraine and Georgia have formally requested to join MAP, a program that prepares countries for accession to the Western military alliance but does not guarantee membership.

U.S. President George Bush arrived in Ukraine late on Monday and following a meeting with President Yushchenko on Tuesday told journalists that, "I'm going to work as hard as I can to see to it that Georgia and Ukraine are accepted into MAP."

Russia is concerned over the membership bids of the former Soviet republics. State Duma Speaker Boris Gryzlov said, "NATO's approach to Russia's borders is a situation that is unacceptable to us, and we will do all we can to prevent that from happening."

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080401/102732967.html

Russian Missile systems - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cna3xz-TcjM

Russian Army. Putin's got a present for ya! - http://youtube.com/watch?v=BJqgHGp95Rg

 

[Shed]

Paul's comment here: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr0401b08h.htm

 

[torchbearer]

Statement on H Res 997

Expressing the strong support of the House of Representatives for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to enter into a Membership Action Plan with Georgia and Ukraine .

Ron Paul, M.D.

1 April 2008

Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this resolution calling for the further expansion of NATO to the borders of Russia . NATO is an organization whose purpose ended with the end of its Warsaw Pact adversary. When NATO struggled to define its future after the Cold War, it settled on attacking a sovereign state, Yugoslavia , which had neither invaded nor threatened any NATO member state.

This current round of NATO expansion is a political reward to governments in Georgia and Ukraine that came to power as a result of US-supported revolutions, the so-called Orange Revolution and Rose Revolution. The governments that arose from these street protests were eager to please their US sponsor and the US , in turn, turned a blind eye to the numerous political and human rights abuses that took place under the new regimes. Thus the US policy of “exporting democracy” has only succeeding in exporting more misery to the countries it has targeted.

NATO expansion only benefits the US military industrial complex, which stands to profit from expanded arms sales to new NATO members. The “modernization” of former Soviet militaries in Ukraine and Georgia will mean tens of millions in sales to US and European military contractors. The US taxpayer will be left holding the bill, as the US government will subsidize most of the transactions. Providing US military guarantees to Ukraine and Georgia can only further strain our military. This NATO expansion may well involve the US military in conflicts as unrelated to our national interest as the breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia . The idea that American troops might be forced to fight and die to prevent a small section of Georgia from seceding is absurd and disturbing.

Mr. Speaker, NATO should be disbanded, not expanded.

This is the word of Ron Paul.

Thanks be to God.

 

[aravoth]

This is the word of Ron Paul.

Thanks be to God.

amen

 

[Cowlesy]

amen

...and they all think he's a kook, yet he's so unbelievably correct.

 

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Can Ron Paul stop it?
Russia is not a country to play games with.............

RUSSIAN AIRBORNE TROOPS ARE THE MOST
ROBUST, INTREPID AND POWERFUL IN THE WORLD:
THE PRODDING OF THE RUSSIAN BEAR IS LETHALLY DANGEROUS

Russian Assault Airborne Troops - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAHrHd2lcw


Russian Missile systems - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cna3xz-TcjM

 

[Zippyjuan]

There are two threads of speculation about whether NATO really wants the Ukraine or not and both relate to Afghanistan- either way they could get more help there. The first is that the Ukraine has offered to help with soldiers in Afghanistan. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D97C78F8-B57E-440B-B91C-D4830E36CA79.htm

NEWS EUROPE
Bush wants help for Afghan mission

Russia is opposed to Nato's expansion
eastwards[AFP]

George Bush, the US president, has arrived in Bucharest, the Romanian capital, ahead of a Nato summit where he will reportedly push for more Nato troops for Afghanistan.

Earlier on Tuesday, Bush was in Ukraine where he backed the country's attempt to join Nato after meeting Viktor Yushchenko, his Ukrainian counterpart.

He said Ukraine's support for the missions in Afghanistan and Kosovo had boosted its effort to join the organisation.

"Ukraine now seeks to deepen its co-operation with the Nato alliance through a membership action plan," Bush said at a news conference with Yushchenko on Tuesday.

"Ukraine has made a bold decision and the United States strongly supports your request."

Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, will also attend the Nato summit in Bucharest set to run until Friday when he will meet with Nato leaders.

Nato 'priorities'

Bush will assert his aim to "finish the fight" against Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.

"If we were to let up the pressure, the [fighters] would re-establish safe havens across the country, and use them to terrorise the Afghan people and threaten our own," he said in remarks prepared for delivery at the summit on Wednesday.

In excerpts made public by the White House, Bush said that Nato had outlived the so-called "Soviet threat" it was created to destroy and must now act as "an expeditionary alliance" around the world.

He said: "Our alliance must maintain its resolve and finish the fight in Afghanistan."

The French government appears to have heeded the call.

Francois Fillon, the prime minister, said that the country may contribute "several hundred" more troops to Afghanistan.

The second is that Russia will help- either by sending equipment or merely allowing the flow of supplies to Afghanistan to pass over their territories and maybe help put more pressure on Iran too. I can understand Russia not wanting to lose a country along its own border to an alliance with the West.
http://www.unian.net/eng/news/news-241502.html

NATO swapping Ukraine, Georgia for Afghanistan supply lines, Iran cooperation?


It looks like NATO’s sweet-talking to Georgia and Ukraine may have provided an opening for alternate lines of communication through Russia into Afghanistan. NATO diplomats deny it, but the proposal for Russian cooperation on troop transports into the war against the Taliban won’t come for free, and Russia wants nothing more than its buffer states between NATO and their frontier. Both sides may have more on the table than that, too:


NATO said on Saturday it was nearing a deal to use Russian land and airspace to supply its security forces in Afghanistan, but Western diplomats denied any trade-off with Moscow to keep Ukraine and Georgia out of NATO.


A NATO spokesman said the alliance was negotiating accords on land and air corridors to transport troops and equipment, which could be announced when President Vladimir Putin attends a NATO summit next month.


Diplomats said a NATO-Russia council meeting on Monday would discuss a “package of deliverables” also including the possible leasing of Russian planes and trains, Russian training for Afghan helicopter pilots and counter-narcotics assistance at a centre near Moscow.


“Discussions are under way. There is no deal done. We are working towards an agreement at the Bucharest summit,” NATO spokesman James Appathurai said of an April 2-4 meeting in the Romanian capital.


The issue may find a resolution more quickly than that. Condoleezza Rice will meet with Russian diplomats on Monday on a wide range of issues, including cooperation on Afghanistan and Iran. Meanwhile, NATO sources have already begun to downplay any significant move towards admission for Georgia and Ukraine. For the latter, they cite a lack of popular support in Ukraine for the sudden lack of enthusiasm, and for the former their “heavy-handed treatment of opposition protests last year.”


Would such an effort be worth it? Absolutely, and for a reason that Reuters never mentions: Pakistan. Right now, our lines of communication into Afghanistan rely almost entirely on the nuclear-armed Islamic nation. The weakening of Pervez Musharraf has put those supply lines at risk and threaten the entire mission. We rely on overflights of Pakistani airspace to supply our troops, as well as some efforts through Uzbekistan. If we lost the overflight privileges, the NATO effort against the Taliban and al-Qaeda would be doomed.


The question will be at what price we buy reliable routes. Vladimir Putin wants NATO to keep its hands off Georgia and Ukraine, for starters. While that won’t be much of a loss for us, Putin may also demand an end to the missile defense system in Europe. That will go down hard with NATO, and won’t likely come without better cooperation from Russia on Iran. It could set up a wide-ranging horse trade with Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, one that could rearrange much of the politics in eastern Europe and the Caucasus.


We need to build back-up plans for supporting the mission in Afghanistan, and that’s especially true if our relationship with Pakistan sours. This looks like an attempt to rebuild an alliance with Moscow that may set some teeth grinding, but in the long run might — might — provide us with a more rational partner and one with less risk.


by Ed Morrissey, Hot Air

 

[torchbearer]

If Russia and the USA goes to war, it won't be with small arms.
Remember that.

 

[aravoth]

RUSSIAN AIRBORNE TROOPS ARE THE MOST
ROBUST, INTREPID AND POWERFUL IN THE WORLD:
THE PRODDING OF THE RUSSIAN BEAR IS LETHALLY DANGEROUS

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Give me liberty]

The U.S. House of Representatives have no right of doing this.

In fact The U.S. House of Representatives job is for the people, not for New World Order.

But i can see now, who's the real enemy in the public.

NATO expansion is very dangers.

NATO's symbol soon will be replaced with a eu union one. Therefore, becoming the military might of the eu union.

 

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Paul's comment here:

This current round of NATO expansion is a political reward to governments in Georgia and Ukraine that came to power as a result of US-supported revolutions, the so-called Orange Revolution and Rose Revolution. The governments that arose from these street protests were eager to please their US sponsor and the US , in turn, turned a blind eye to the numerous political and human rights abuses that took place under the new regimes. Thus the US policy of “exporting democracy” has only succeeding in exporting more misery to the countries it has targeted.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr0401b08h.htm

Thank you for the link, Shed.

Well, Dr.Paul sure knows the subject, but can he reverse the expansion?....

Ron Paul is correct when he speaks about the US policy of “exporting democracy”.

Yes, the US State Department has a program the goal of which (according to US State Department) is to support Democracy all over the world. It sounds wonderful, of course, but in reality the goal of that program is to fund a fifth column, a group of secret sympathizers or supporters of USA that engage in espionage or sabotage activities within national borders of any country.

In 2004 the US State Department spent more than $65 million on a fifth column in Ukraine in order to help a pro-Washington (aka Ukranian neo-con) candidate to become a president of Ukraine.


U.S. money has helped opposition in Ukraine

By Matt Kelley
December 11, 2004
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration has spent more than $65 million in the past two years to aid political organizations in Ukraine, paying to bring opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko to meet U.S. leaders and helping to underwrite an exit poll indicating he won last month's disputed runoff election.
U.S. officials say the activities don't amount to interference in Ukraine's election, as Russian President Vladimir Putin alleges, but are part of the $1 billion the State Department spends each year trying to build democracy worldwide.
READ MORE - http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041211/news_1n11usaid.html


And according to Wiki:

The Orange Revolution (Pomarancheva revolyutsiya) was a series of protests and political events that took place in Ukraine from late November 2004 to January 2005, in the immediate aftermath of the run-off vote of the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election which was compromised by massive corruption, voter intimidation and direct electoral fraud. Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, was the focal point of the movement with thousands of protesters demonstrating daily. Nationwide, the democratic revolution was highlighted by a series of acts of civil disobedience, sit-ins, and general strikes organized by the opposition movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

Woman in the dark coat in the middle is Ukraine's president wife Kateryna Chumachenko, who is also a former employee of the US State Department and a CIA agent.

Though these Praetorians claimed to have disobeyed executive commands altruistically, there was a pro-US tilt in many vital state agencies. Their communication channel with Yushchenko's aide, Yevyen Marchuk, a Nato favourite and former defence minister who discussed the upcoming elections with US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, in August 2004, suggests a well planned coup d‘etat. Yushchenko's wife, Kateryna Chumachenko, a former Reagan and George H Bush administration official and émigré Ukrainian heavyweight, is alleged to have played a key backdoor part.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-institutions_government/colour_revolutions_3196.jsp


Candidate's U.S.-born wife fights for Ukraine
Sunday, December 5, 2004
Russell Working - - Chicago Tribune
|
As presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko barnstormed Ukraine this fall, he was often greeted by signs that read, "American son-in-law, go home!" His opponents have circulated leaflets and posters portraying him as Uncle Sam, his wife as a CIA agent and the United States as a mosquito sucking the blood of the Eastern European nation. The reason for the attacks was his Chicago-born wife, Kateryna Chumachenko Yushchenko. The daughter of Ukrainian immigrants, the Prospect High School graduate has found herself in the maelstrom of one of the world's most bitterly fought elections.
http://www.pelicanfile.com/reporter.cfm/ReporterID/4122.cfm

 

[keh-geh-beh]

a recent poll shows that less than 30% of Ukrainians want to join NATO, but Yushenko is pulling Ukraine against the will of the people.

 

[hypnagogue]

Can Ron Paul stop it?
Russia is not a country to play games with.............

RUSSIAN AIRBORNE TROOPS ARE THE MOST
ROBUST, INTREPID AND POWERFUL IN THE WORLD:
THE PRODDING OF THE RUSSIAN BEAR IS LETHALLY DANGEROUS

Russian Assault Airborne Troops - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAHrHd2lcw


Russian Missile systems - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cna3xz-TcjM

How much are you being paid to post this shit?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

NGoA:

WASHINGTON, April 1 (RIA Novosti) - The U.S. House of Representatives has unanimously expressed its support for a resolution calling for the acceptance of Georgia and Ukraine into the NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP).

Ron Paul, a member of the US House of Representatives:

Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this resolution calling for the further expansion of NATO to the borders of Russia.

(Sections in the quotes have been emboldened for emphasis)

Ok, now how the frell exactly is this unanimous???

 

[Cowlesy]

a recent poll shows that less than 30% of Ukrainians want to join NATO, but Yushenko is pulling Ukraine against the will of the people.

Hey there, my favorite nationalist/nazi is back. Unfortunately IP's, well, they're a bitch.

Banned.

 

[Cowlesy]

Can Ron Paul stop it?
Russia is not a country to play games with.............

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RUSSIAN AIRBORNE TROOPS ARE THE MOST
ROBUST, INTREPID AND POWERFUL IN THE WORLD:
THE PRODDING OF THE RUSSIAN BEAR IS LETHALLY DANGEROUS

Russian Assault Airborne Troops - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAHrHd2lcw


Russian Missile systems - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cna3xz-TcjM

I've been much too liberal in letting you spread your propaganda through this board. You are going to take some time off. Read some of Ron Paul's books and come back in 2009.

Thanks.

 

[Cowlesy]

And FYI this guy was spreading this propaganda over the inter-tubes.

http://politicalfever.org/american-...ns-worlds-longest-undersea-tunnel-alaska.html

http://www.thepoliticalcapital.com/index.php?topic=2398.0

http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=4507

I love the last one where he says that there were no German Troops to fight on D-Day in Normandy -- they were all in Russia getting creamed by the Russians.

 

[Cowlesy]

Alright, I unbanned him to lure him back --- he'll be fun to have around now.

 

[Uriel999]

I love the last one where he says that there were no German Troops to fight on D-Day in Normandy -- they were all in Russia getting creamed by the Russians.

There is some truth to that. The Russian front was where some of the most brutal savage fighting of WWII or any war in history for that matter. The Germans knew D-Day was coming but thought the allies were going to attack at Calais (spelling?) but was one of the greatest tricks ever done in war. A fake military force under Patton was made complete with fake tanks and what not. When the attack at Normandy began the Germans delayed taking forces there because they thought it was a trick and the main attack would come from the north.

 

[RockEnds]

I do know, well I did know, a couple guys who were there on D-Day. One of them always introduced himself by saying, "Shake the hand that shook the world." They did definitely report the presence of Germans. One of them went into quite gruesome detail about it.

But, I've also lived in Germany. There are NO Germans that died fighting the Americans. They ALL died on the Russian front. My dad warned me about it. I thought it was a joke. Nope. It's their story, and they're sticking to it.