TX: 8 dead, dozens injured, after crowd "stampede" at Houston Astroworld festival

From what I’ve read, it was a combination of factors. The fencing was designed with no relief points. It was a U shaped enclosure, and the pressure (people) could not be released out the sides. I’ve been in concert crowds like that, but there is usually room to leave out the sides.

A modern trend is towards corral type areas, so that VIP tickets can be closer with less density. Then the peons can crowd and compress together in fenced in areas.

Apparently Travis Scott is also known for inciting the crowds to go crazy.





At 4:16 you can definitely see how there might have been some fatalities in that mob...that ain't no mosh pit. What blows mind is how this shite attracted a crowd that size! I think there was a vax requirement to get in so at least they won't be procreating.
 



At 4:16 you can definitely see how there might have been some fatalities in that mob...that ain't no mosh pit. What blows mind is how this shite attracted a crowd that size! I think there was a vax requirement to get in so at least they won't be procreating.


So he did the full show without any interruption. No one probably got crushed in the VIP sections nearest the stage.

The design of the audience corrals was probably a big factor. Multiple corners with no escape where people could get crushed.
 
This stampede was worse than 9/11, Pearl Harbor and Hitler's genocide combined.

If it was a right wing, conservative, libertarian or especially Trump event, that’s how MSNBC would describe it.

But considering the artist, it will probably get the swept under the rug treatment by the left media.
 
Anytime someone can’t get air and/or is crushed could be termed a cardiac arrest.
So I misunderstood?
If people get trampled to death I wouldn't expect the reported cause of death to be "heart attacks"...


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They were probably vaccinated. But that does not prove cause and effect, especially when getting crushed is the more likely cause.

I doubt it is related to COVID or the vaccines.
I sort of agree, unless of course these young people dying of heart attacks were COVID vaxxed in the last 8 days (in which period the adverse effects of the COVID clot shots are the most dangerous).
I'm afraid that if this is the case, we won't hear this from our wonderful media...
 
I am an old metal head / punk rocker. In my middle age, I still mosh. I have never heard of someone dying of a heart attack in the pit and I have seen some pretty intense moshing in my time. How the hell do multiple youths die of heart attacks at a wimpy pop concert? That's BS! Don't get that vax!!!

Same (ish... I'm retired from moshing now). I've been in the Primus NYE pits on several occasions and plenty others. Pits are a little different than the "pushing" that happens at non-pit shows, though. Van Halen shows in the 80s were especially challenging. I had bruises across my chest from working up to front row at Monsters of Rock at Candlestick Park.

... the fact that there's an unwritten rule that if someone is on the ground you get your hands on him or her and get him or her to safety.

I went down to the floor with several people on me at a Halloween (again, Van Halen) show at the Cow Palace in 1986. You can't breath down there. I grabbed some guy's leg to try to get up and like you said, he helped me up and I got the heck out of there. I was about 20 "rows" back. Safer and more stable to be in the first 5-10 "rows" but it's constant pressure. At 6'1", I was always one of the little guys up front.

...The fencing was designed with no relief points. It was a U shaped enclosure, and the pressure (people) could not be released out the sides. I’ve been in concert crowds like that, but there is usually room to leave out the sides.

Wow, that's nuts. I've never seen that configuration either.

As with all these anecdotes, I've never heard of anyone dying at any show I went to let alone eleven from heart attack. We helped people up an over the front barricade when they were about to pass out and I've seen a few people hauled off on a gurney (I went to a lot of shows back then). My first thought on eleven heart attacks is microclotting from the jab. I'm sure we'll find out the truth any day now.
 
Same (ish... I'm retired from moshing now). I've been in the Primus NYE pits on several occasions and plenty others. Pits are a little different than the "pushing" that happens at non-pit shows, though. Van Halen shows in the 80s were especially challenging. I had bruises across my chest from working up to front row at Monsters of Rock at Candlestick Park.
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Exactly. There is plenty of room in the center of the mosh pit. ;)

It's the shows where huge crowds pack in so tight that you can't move. I've been at shows like that. Your feet stay locked in place and the crowd can lean up to a 45 degree angle, only the people on the outer edges can fall. In the middle, there is no room to fall.

My first thought on eleven heart attacks is microclotting from the jab. I'm sure we'll find out the truth any day now.

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I sort of agree, unless of course these young people dying of heart attacks were COVID vaxxed in the last 8 days (in which period the adverse effects of the COVID clot shots are the most dangerous).
I'm afraid that if this is the case, we won't hear this from our wonderful media...

It's plausible that vaccine induced vascular problems were a contributing factor. We would never hear about that though, especially with the primary cause being crushed.
 
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Because it's pop.

You and I both know the music was the cake but the icing was the fact that there's an unwritten rule that if someone is on the ground you get your hands on him or her and get him or her to safety. The one I'll always remember from a show is that one dude who was stumbling out of the pit and how shocked he looked when I put hands on his shoulders, 'cause he thought I was going for him, but then I frog marched him over to the bar to get water and he thanked me profusely. That's what it is about.

Still is, as of Dec 2019, anyway, though my fusing vertebrae keep me out of the pit...

That's what it meant to be counter-cultural 30 years ago.... and it's still what it means. Participating in the counter-culture means treating strangers with sympathy, whether it's a Rainbow gathering or a GWAR concert.

The trouble is regular old traditional culture has infiltrated everywhere now. It's even in the SCA, which has turned into a woke mob that is more concerned with kicking people out than just being cool to each other.

I recall, I carried a guy to medics after he got his arm broken in the pit at Lollapalooza '96 - during RATM's set.

Fuck me, that crowd was tough...gave real life meaning to the line from "A Boy Named Sue":

"Kicking and a gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer".

And 95 degree heat and humidity at the South Florida Fairgrounds.

Jesus...25 years ago...
 



At 4:16 you can definitely see how there might have been some fatalities in that mob...that ain't no mosh pit. What blows mind is how this shite attracted a crowd that size! I think there was a vax requirement to get in so at least they won't be procreating.


Well, that was painful to watch and listen to.
 
There was a requirement of being jabbed to get in, and also jab tables outside for those unjabbed that wanted in. Secondly, 5 gee wireless was being used over the entirety of the grounds I'm sure. Between these two things, this is what you get and what will continue to happen until mass gatherings are outlawed to 'prevent crushing mobs' like this. From the vids I've seen the only surging began after people realized that folks were dropping and dying all around them. A couple different tiktok vids said the same thing, even from the beginning of the day, you couldnt breathe. People not in a crush, holding up their heads breathing as hard as they could. Some frothing blood from the mouth and nose. That shit wasn't a 'crowd surge', go watch any of the Rocking from Moscow shows and they don't have these death counts.
 
young people dying of heart attacks were COVID vaxxed in the last 8 days (in which period the adverse effects of the COVID clot shots are the most dangerous)

The reason some people die faster than others from clots is due to their possibly having had the vax serum injected directly into a blood vessel instead of it having to migrate from deltoid tissue into the rest of the body. Early on in the vax roll-out, WHO sent directives* to each country instructing vax administrators not to aspirate prior to injection. This is against standard medical training because there is always that chance of hitting a blood vessel. The deltoid muscle has plenty of blood vessels.

* See the third paragraph from the bottom of page 18 of the following: https://assets.publishing.service.g...nce_for_healthcare_workers_6July2021_v3.9.pdf

From the sample document referenced above:
Insert the needle into the injection site far enough to ensure it will deliver the vaccine
into the muscle and depress the plunger. There is no need to pull back on the plunger
(aspirate) before the plunger is depressed to release the vaccine into the muscle
because there are no large blood vessels at the recommended injection sites.
 
That many cardiac arrests at a gathering that size is astounding. Were the cardiac arrests associated with adverse reactions to vaccinations? [sic]Where those people vaccinated? What would cause so many heart issues at this event? Crowds are not a new thing.

Vaccines were required to enter the event. The cardiac arrests were due to blood clotting. The blood clotting was exacerbated by the long period of just standing around. The blood clots form due to spike proteins produced by the body (in response to the mRNA material) damaging the inner walls of the blood vessels.
 
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