Two things about the acquittal of Ammon Bundy and his armed followers should scare all America

Well, the CONstitution says nothing about juries "upholding the law" or any such nonsense.

But it clearly authorizes a massive and out of control federal tyranny
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:rolleyes:
do you hate all Republics evenly? or just ours specifically? :confused:

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noun
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the basic written set of principles and precedents of federal government in the US, which came into operation in 1789 and has since been modified by twenty-seven amendments.
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blarg blarg blarg

Never mind all that.

What say you to the good professor's statement:

The jury plainly failed to enact their Constitutional duty to apply the law rather than their opinions

Is he right?

Is there a clause in the CONstitution that states juries must apply the law rather than their opinions?
 
and can use those weapons and ammunition to prevent federal employees from doing their jobs.

The only rounds fired were by law enforcement personnel, and resulted in the death of LaVoy Finicum and injuries of several others—all non-LEO. (Noting that roadblock setup in violation of departmental policies.)

The first is that it was a clear case of jury nullification.

Really, so says who? I quick Internet search only queues an interview with the dismissed (and biased, retired BLM) juror. We do not yet know their reasoning for acquitting them.

The jury plainly failed to enact their Constitutional duty to apply the law rather than their opinions, and speaking as a professor of politics and government as well as a citizen of the United States, that's scary.

You should be terminated from your teaching position for making such an assertion in a public rag of a paper—seriously who are you to make such allegations? Stick to politics “professor”, stay away from all that is judicial—clearly you cannot hang.

Georgia v. Brailsford, Powell & Hopton, 3 U.S. 3, 4 Dall. 1 1 (1794):

“MR. CHIEF JUSTICE JAY. It may not be amiss, here, Gentlemen, to remind you of the good old rule, that on questions of fact, it is the province of the jury, on questions of law, it is the province of the court to decide. But it must be observed that by the same law, which recognizes this reasonable distribution of jurisdiction, you have nevertheless a right to take upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy. On this, and on every other occasion, however, we have no doubt, you will pay that respect, which is due to the opinion of the court: For, as on the one hand, it is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the other hand, presumbable, that the court are the best judges of the law. But still both objects are lawfully, within your power of decision.”

We have a presidential candidate who has said that he might not accept the results of an election (but only if he loses).

…And he would not be the first to do so, dumbass. Obama and Hillary had stated similar claims in the recent past, but I suppose to you those do not count.


And violence and threats of violence have been a regular feature of Trump rallies.
Oh, you mean the violence that is being paid for by the Campaign for Hillary, right?

More recently, the Constitutional Sheriffs movement currently insists that county sheriffs are the primary legal agents of their community, and are not subject to federal or other restrictions on their powers.

This is not correct. They assert only that they will quash federalism/federal supremacy within their jurisdiction that is without constitutional authority—as it lacks an enumerated power so granted to the federal government under our U.S. Constitution.

And now, a jury has decided that because its members don't like the federal government's presence in their lives, it is acceptable for a group of regular people to occupy a federal property, intimidate federal employees and abuse the local environment all at the same time.

It has decided that because its members do not like the federal government, the politics of personal outrage matter more than the rule of law.

Nope, nope, nope. This completely missing the crux of either of the two Bundy incidents. The guy simply does not get it, at all. Not even close.
 
If juries follow their opinions and not the law, then we don't have the rule of lawyers anymore.

Fixed it for him.

I was hoping when I opened the thread it was about how scary it is that the Bundy's lawyer was tazed in open court or that additional secret charges were threatened when the jury acquitted. Or how Lavoy was killed yet not a single LEO has seen a courtroom. Or how an ex-BLM employee managed to make it onto the jury and all the way up to the deliberation process before being removed. But no, of course some NY rag thinks it is scary that the jury didn't blindly follow the judge's instructions like good sheep do.
 
Such emotional outbursts always feel good. But it is also true that those who sow chaos usually reap the whirlwind. The jury just sowed chaos. We will see what we reap.
These government bootlickers think things like this happen in a vacuum, as if a bunch of guys woke up one morning and just randomly decided to stand off the feds because they were looking for kicks.

My thoughts exactly. This asshat doesn't have (or doesn't want to have) the vaguest clue that the verdict is actually an eddy of a whirlwind that had already been sown by the FedGov.

It's been a long time coming, and hopefully the eddies will only get stronger, until we get a proper hurricane.

Reap it and weep, buddy.

He is a constitutional scholar, just like Obama. It also sounds like he is making veiled threats to anyone who has the audacity to defy his beloved omnipotent federal government.

He really is a Constitutional scholar. So is Obama.

The problem is that "Constitutional scholarship" has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Constitution (or anything the Constitution says).

"Constitutional scholarship" is only about what Constitutional scholars say about what government-approved judges say.

What's the basis for calling this a case of jury nullification?

The fact that the accused did indeed commit the so-called "crimes" with which they were charged.

He's right about that much, at least. This really does appear to be an instance of jury nullification.
 
Is there a clause in the CONstitution that states juries must apply the law rather than their opinions?

FOUND IT!
It's written in small print at the end:

"Even though our country was justified on the principle of natural law, fuck that bullshitt now."

 
The first is that it was a clear case of jury nullification. The jury plainly failed to enact their Constitutional duty to apply the law rather than their opinions, and speaking as a professor of politics and government as well as a citizen of the United States, that's scary.

Jeez... what a freakishly ignorant pussy-wannabe.

Even an amoeba would have the sense to commit suicide if it discovered such a truth about itself.
 
I am tickled to death about this verdict. I do believe there was some element of jury nullification in this even though the quotes from jurors only point out that the goonerment did not prove it's case on "conspiracy". One jury is reported to make a comment that they were amazed that the goonerment did not charge an easier to prove crime such as trespass...

At any rate GOD BLESS THE JURORS and I'll take any win against the goons we can get!!

(P.S. you can expect the goonerment to start a campaign to eliminate juries next week...)
 
He really is a Constitutional scholar. So is Obama.

Throw Constitutional Scholar in the does not mean much or the opposite like the Nobel Peace Prize. Someone that admits they are, are trying to garner respect they do not deserve. The guy is arguing for the elimination of Juries, which according to him are made up of scary people.
 
Throw Constitutional Scholar in the does not mean much or the opposite like the Nobel Peace Prize. Someone that admits they are, are trying to garner respect they do not deserve. The guy is arguing for the elimination of Juries, which according to him are made up of scary people.

I want this "scholar" to show me where in the CONstitution it states that juries must rule on the facts of the law being broken and not their "opinion".
 
Throw Constitutional Scholar in the does not mean much or the opposite like the Nobel Peace Prize. Someone that admits they are, are trying to garner respect they do not deserve. The guy is arguing for the elimination of Juries, which according to him are made up of scary people.
I want this "scholar" to show me where in the CONstitution it states that juries must rule on the facts of the law being broken and not their "opinion".

Like I said ...

The problem is that "Constitutional scholarship" has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Constitution (or anything the Constitution says).

"Constitutional scholarship" is only about what Constitutional scholars say about what government-approved judges say.
 
The problem is that "Constitutional scholarship" has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Constitution (or anything the Constitution says).

"Constitutional scholarship" is only about what Constitutional scholars say about what government-approved judges say.

Natural law is to a "constitutional scholar" as the color red is to a blind person.
 
Never mind all that.

What say you to the good professor's statement:





Is he right?

Is there a clause in the CONstitution that states juries must apply the law rather than their opinions?

I NEVER wrote "blarg" ANYTHING.

how did you pull that off? :confused:
 
Never mind all that.

What say you to the good professor's statement:



Is he right?

Is there a clause in the CONstitution that states juries must apply the law rather than their opinions?

you are obtuse about the purpose of a jury. and insisting that I educate you.
why don't you grow the fuck up and learn for your own damn self? :)
 
you are obtuse about the purpose of a jury. and insisting that I educate you.
why don't you grow the $#@! up and learn for your own damn self? :)

The purpose of the jury is as the last check and balance against runaway goonerment power (is there any other kind?)
 
Never mind all that.

What say you to the good professor's statement:

Is he right?

Is there a clause in the CONstitution that states juries must apply the law rather than their opinions?

I got my answer:

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But I must admit, the answer leaves me a little befuddled...is that a "fuck you" yes, or "fuck you" no?
 
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