Two Reformed Baptist arguments against paedobaptism refuted

[TER]

That was pretty funny.

These videos are funny.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

These videos are funny.

Why does the Greek Patriarch speak with a Russian accent? lol

 

[TER]

Why does the Greek Patriarch speak with a Russian accent? lol

lol

I have watched like 20 videos since I posted that one! These videos are hilarious!

 

[Legend1104]

Beautiful. We're all happy and getting along.

So what's the verdict? Is baptism still about repentance the way Jesus and John taught, or should we start trying to baptze babies prior to abortion?

Because 4000 innocent lives are being cast alive into hell every day that we could save by baptism, seems important, right Sola?

Or we can all stand around congratulating ourselves on our superior intellectual understanding that is non-scriptural.

In regards to baptism and salvation. Look at the thief on the cross. He did not have the ability to receive baptism, yet that did not stop Jesus from saying, "And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”" John 23:42-43. Baptism is a symbol for those that are justified to display before the world that they belong to Christ. Infants by the token do not need baptism and it would do them no good until they have been washed in the blood first.

 

[Legend1104]

1. Baptism is not repentance, nor is it exclusively for the purpose of repentance. It is the covenant sign and seal of discipleship (Matthew 28:19-20), and also the New Testament replacement for circumcision (Galatians 3:7-9, 14, 16, 18, 25-26; codified in Acts 8:12).

No baptism is not a seal the Holy Spirit is.

"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory." Ephesians 1:13-14

"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

 

[TER]

Actually Baptism is the regeneration and rebirth and Chrismation is the seal of the Holy Spirit.

In the very early Church, Chrismation was done with the laying of the hands for the transference of the Holy Spirit (which is still the method of Ordination). Soon after the Church performed it with holy sanctified oil.

Acts 19

19 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”

3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”

So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”

4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. 7 Now the men were about twelve in all.

Also:

Acts 8

Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

20 But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.”

24 Then Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me.”

25 So when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, they returned to Jerusalem, preaching the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.

 

[TER]

Baptism is much more then a mere sign.

Acts 22:16, "And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name."

Matthew 3:11, "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."


Romans 6:3 "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."

 

[heavenlyboy34]

lol

I have watched like 20 videos since I posted that one! These videos are hilarious!

This one reminds me of several of the bazillion-page debate threads around here...

LMAO!!

 

[Legend1104]

Actually Baptism is the regeneration and rebirth and Chrismation is the seal of the Holy Spirit.

Once again they thief on the cross was not able to have access to water Baptism and yet he was indeed saved (as Jesus himself bore witness too). So either water baptism is either only sometimes necessary for salvation or it is not actual salvation but something else. Even your own scripture reference Matthew 3:11 is not making a reference to water immersion but rather the indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon repentance and acceptance of salvation provided by the cross. If water baptism was necessary then the thief would not have been saved.

In the very early Church, Chrismation was done with the laying of the hands for the transference of the Holy Spirit (which is still the method of Ordination). Soon after the Church performed it with holy sanctified oil.

I think you misunderstand the purpose of the laying on of hands. The early church had trouble with the idea that the Gospel was meant for groups other than Jews. If you will look each time the laying on of hands occurs, it is with a distinct group apart from Jews.

1.) First it was with Samaritans in Acts 8:14-17

2.) Next with Gentiles at the house of Cornelius in Acts 10:44-48.

In this case the laying on of hands did not occur but the Holy Spirit did "come upon those who believe the message" all at one time similar to how it occurred with the Apostles in the upper room. Also I will quote this scripture because it shows something else interesting.

“While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came upon all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.”

Notice here that the gentiles were saved and received the Holy Spirit BEFORE they were water baptized. If baptism is necessary for "regeneration and rebirth" then the Gentiles here could not possibly have received the Spirit first.

3.) Then to confirm the ministry of John the Baptist Acts 19:1-6

Water Baptism is a holy act performed by a regenerate heart as an act to demonstrate obedience and faith towards God before the world, but it is most certainly not necessary for salvation.