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yeah that is usually the case, unfortunately.. when I think president, I think foreign policy first but I agree that is not enough for me to passionately support someone.. its always a case of getting enticed by non-interventionism but then getting disgusted with every other policy position these types hold.. quite sad.


Me too. The COFR thing is very disturbing, but she is very convincing when she is speaking about non-intervention.
 
yeah that is usually the case, unfortunately.. when I think president, I think foreign policy first but I agree that is not enough for me to passionately support someone.. its always a case of getting enticed by non-interventionism but then getting disgusted with every other policy position these types hold.. quite sad.

I wish there was a larger vein of non-interventionism in the current GOP.. but then again, I dont really take most dem's NI credentials at face value cause they are often just being contrarians to repubs and support any democrat-started war under the sun..

Obama initially ran on ending the wars... didn't take long for that lie to be exposed.
 
Are we expecting to find a great, or good, or decent, or even tolerable candidate in either major party? Or are we considering ways to troll the 2020 dog and pony show in hopes of weaning more mundanes from their blind faith that any of it makes a difference?

Assuming someone will beat Trump, shouldn't it be a fake antiwar Democrat? That way people can not only see just what socialists do to an economy, but just how many Democrat campaign promises you can combine with your $3.50 and still get kicked out of Starbucks with no coffee.

Besides, she's not unpleasant to look at--unlike that Creature from the Bronx Lagoon who I keep seeing these days.
 
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Then there's the age-old Republican argument. 'I know this RINO won't actually do anything about abortion. But he talks a good game on the topic, and I figure nominating/electing him will send a message.'

Nobody wants to send an antiwar message?
 
She still has the best rhetoric out of the dem candidates.



But I still don't know why anyone here would give their All Important Vote to her.
 


While she may be better than many hardcore neocon Dems, some of her attacks on GOP-neocon wing's leadership were bit extremist and crossed the line. Will she be any better than MAGA/Jarvanak on foreign policy?


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November 21, 2018, 1:54 PM

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard says Trump is "Saudi Arabia's bitch" in tweet

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii, a National Guard veteran who did two tours in the Middle East, said in a tweet that President Trump is "Saudi Arabia's bitch" for announcing the U.S. will stand with Saudi Arabia, regardless of any intelligence community assessment on Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's involvement in the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.
"Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia's bitch is not "America First,"" Gabbard tweeted. Mr. Trump has justified his stance on Saudi Arabia by saying that the country is a key partner in national security and a large buyer of U.S. weapons.
Last week, Gabbard also called for an end to any U.S. involvement in the Saudi intervention in the war in Yemen which has caused a humanitarian crisis. "It is long overdue that we end U.S. complicity in Saudi Arabia's atrocities," said Gabbard. "We must end all U.S. support for Saudi Arabia's genocidal war in Yemen now."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rep-tul...itch-in-tweet/
 


Rand Paul schooled his daddy's followers that no candidate is perfect, then endorsed Romney before the convention.

Many here said this was perfectly fine, then attacked those who wouldn't sell out.

Tulsi Gabbard is THE ONLY CANDIDATE that is talking about ending the wars that have drained the treasury. How is that possible after 20 years of bombing and invading foreign lands? As soon as someone better talks about ending the insanity, Tulsi will be dropped, unlike when some here embraced Rand.


Tulsi isn't just imperfect, she is horrible, she is even worse than Romney.
 
Me too. The COFR thing is very disturbing, but she is very convincing when she is speaking about non-intervention.
She is even more convincing when she votes for intervention and opposes Trump's baby steps towards non-intervention.
 
Then there's the age-old Republican argument. 'I know this RINO won't actually do anything about abortion. But he talks a good game on the topic, and I figure nominating/electing him will send a message.'

Nobody wants to send an antiwar message?
I'll send that message by voting for Trump if he is still talking anti-war and making baby steps towards ending the wars.
 
I'll send that message by voting for Trump if he is still talking anti-war and making baby steps towards ending the wars.

Unfortunatly chances of MAGA relection are starting to look slim after Wall funding/2nd amendment/DACA/NK developments and recent Adelson cancer-Netanyahu corruption indictment news on same day this week. Adelson had funded both 2016 America-First MAGA campaign and Israeli Netanyaho. MAGA in law Kushner scandal story that also broke on same day also carries poltical risks.
 
Unfortunatly chances of MAGA relection are starting to look slim after Wall funding/2nd amendment/DACA/NK developments and recent Adelson cancer-Netanyahu corruption indictment news on same day this week. Adelson had funded both 2016 America-First MAGA campaign and Israeli Netanyaho. MAGA in law Kushner scandal story that also broke on same day also carries poltical risks.
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I'll send that message by voting for Trump if he is still talking anti-war and making baby steps towards ending the wars.

I don't give a flying fuck who you vote for.

And whether or not I do something to support a candidate in the Democratic primary is zero evidence concerning how I'll vote in the general.


You came back here to catch up on your sleep?

Presumably you got some sleep during your vacation, and we all got along just fine not knowing when you were doing it.
 
I think Tulsi is definitely the democrat you want to win the nomination on that side. I see why some people don't like her at all, but who else on the democrat side would you prefer? She's got an edge on every single on of them.

Then, if it comes down to Trump v Tulsi, Trump isn't that great either. I don't like either one, but it could be worse than Trump v Tulsi.

Unless we're talking about Rand or Massie primarying Trump, I think those are your two best choices for either nomination. Not saying they're great, just the best among poor choices
 
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