Tucker Carlson & Truthers

[PatriotOne]

That's bullcrap. Many people have worked for liberty for years. To think you can claim responsibility for all of Ron Paul's success is incredibly arrogant and revolting.

And how has that worked out for you? Who was your last Presidential candidate that even came close to receiving the kind of support RP has? Don't put words in my mouth. I never said we did it all but we did the heavy lifting.

No, we are looking to maximize the success of the CFL, and if you care about liberty, you should be as well. Who gives a crap about blame -- results are what matter.

No, moron, it's about getting results. Millions and millions of americans are repelled by what you believe, and will be repelled by the CFL if it is associated with your beliefs. Many people make a lot of money in politics caring very much about what people think, because in a republic or democracy, that's how you have success. Apparently you think you can behave however you want, without any consideration of prudence or how your actions will be perceived, and expect success. If you're never willing to stop and consider how you are percieved in order to maximize your effectiveness in promoting what you believe, you will fail in politics and in life.

There ya go with your dillusional thoughts that the game isn't rigged and you can just go out and spread the message of liberty to get a President elected.

I and many others do not believe what you do about 9/11, get it? And it's not because we're less educated or cowardly, we just disagree. If I believed 9/11 were an inside job, I'd be working to promote those ideas (outside of the CFL). But I just don't, and unlike yourself, I do not immediately conclude that if someone disagrees with me they must be uneducated or unintelligent. Your arrogance is astounding.

No. Anyone who has researched the subject and seen the incredible amount of evidence against our Gov and comes away with the conclusion they are not involved then you either do not have 2 brain cells to rub together or have not truly researched the topic and are remaining intentionally ignorant and spouting off your ignorant, unintelligent views about 9/11.

Now, I'm happy to work with you to promote liberty, as that is the purpose of the CFL. But I am disgusted by the arrogance and cowardice of people who will try to co-opt a brave and important effort for liberty in order to grab the spotlight for their own personal crusades.

And I am disgusted by people who do not have a clue of what they are up against and yet profess to be some kind of expert on how to win the race. You are playing a chess game without even knowing the rules of the game they are playing.

9/11 truth is not a goal of the CFL (please view the mission statement on the CFL website if you disagree).

Um yeah. So?

Right, everyone who disagrees with you must be ignorant.

True statement.

Look, I almost never insult people (look through my posts if you doubt me), but you really get under my skin.

Truth hurts sometimes and time for you guys to grow up if you want to succeed.

and then arrogantly proclaiming that you will act however you want with no view towards consequences is arrogant, immature and irresponsible.

Hmmm.....where did I say that?

Hey....looky here. You seem to be in a fringe category (only 18% seem to believe our gov was innocent) so please leave the movement as I am afraid you will scare off the mainstream people who believe 9/11 was an inside job:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2424

 

[HaddEnuff]

Well obviously you've answered your own question. People are obviously here with different beliefs. The only belief of any relevance however is the Ron Paul belief.

Could you kindly relay that message to all those who continue to badger the "truthers" in this thread?

Sure everyone here probably knows that the News is going to tell you what it wants to tell you, but they are along way from conspiracy theorists.

O.K. that's 3.....no wait, I already counted you.

 

[HaddEnuff]

So Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones are identified as Truthers and nothing else?

Of course not. And that's the point. In addition to being "truthers" he also recognizes the fact that they stand for everything the CFL stands for.
Unfortunately not everybody on this thread is comprehending that.

I mean seriously guys can't you see you are become zealots?

They aren't unless you make them out to be.

 

[RickyJ]

So Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones are identified as Truthers and nothing else? I'd tend to believe that Ron Pauls dealings with these two have nothing to do with 9/11.

You can tend to think a lot of things, but I would say Ron Paul is an undercover truther. It's as plain as day for anyone willing to look objectively.

 

[HaddEnuff]

You can tend to think a lot of things, but I would say Ron Paul is an undercover truther. It's as plain as day for anyone willing to look objectively.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but again is it really relevant to the movement whether he is or isn't or whether you are or aren't or whether I am or not?
It seems like the only people making this relevant are the ones who don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. As I stated earlier, I don't believe this thread is even about "truthers" and their place in the CFL. I believe it's about the issue of 9/11 itself.

 

[PatriotOne]

I certainly hope the elections are not rigged -- it does seem like there would have to be a lot of people in on it, and someone would have squealed by now.

It is true and there are alot of people squealing about it. Of course you won't hear the NWO owned MSM talking about it because, well, they are owned by the very people manipulating the fraud.

There are many independent polls done, and they do seem to match election results fairly well.

Were you not around when the polls didn't put RP on the poll? Were you not around when people who were polled that said RP, they were informed they were removed from the calling list?

Now, I'm sure cheating has occurred, but it seems hard to believe that there is a systematic manufacturing of the vote as you suggest.

It's called electronic voting. Programs were installed in the Diebold electronic voting machines to flip the percentages. Admitted by the programmer.

If there is widespread fraud, we could also stop them by getting enough people to demand open elections, or by getting enough people supporting a candidate, that it would be obvious that they fudged the vote.

Just google vote fraud and start researching the subject. It here and it is rampant. Then ask yourself why nothing has been done about it.

Sorry about the messy post. I'm tired and going to bed.

 

[Bman]

O.K. that's 3.....no wait, I already counted you.

Whats that? People who don't believe in the boogeyman?

Look the news is slanted. Everyone has their own perception. And their own reasons for those perceptions. Look if you stop saying MSM and start naming specific people I'll have an easier time seeing eye to eye with you on what you are saying. You simply can't call groups borg mentallity. The individual is still not lost, so using groups rather than individuals is just a bad way to make a point.

I mean you can do like some of the other people have and start assuming that ROn Paul is part of the whole MSM and such because he is a republican and their must be some reason he didn't do better, and that reason has nothing to do with numbers because we know its all a lie so he must be in on it.


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Support ideas not conspiracies.

 

[PatriotOne]

I mean seriously guys can't you see you are become zealots?

Rome is burning, the sky is actually falling, and people think you can save the Republic talking about the Constitution. We yell fire because Rome IS burning. You will not save the illusional Republic talking about the Constitution while they have set fire to Rome and the people think Al Quada did it.

Good night all.

 

[HaddEnuff]

Whats that? People who don't believe in the boogeyman?

Look the news is slanted. Everyone has their own perception. And their own reasons for those perceptions. Look if you stop saying MSM and start naming specific people I'll have an easier time seeing eye to eye with you on what you are saying. You simply can't call groups borg mentallity. The individual is still not lost, so using groups rather than individuals is just a bad way to make a point.

I mean you can do like some of the other people have and start assuming that ROn Paul is part of the whole MSM and such because he is a republican and their must be some reason he didn't do better, and that reason has nothing to do with numbers because we know its all a lie so he must be in on it.


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Support ideas not conspiracies.

Do some research please. Find out the five corporations that own nearly all of the MSM. Then research what else they own.
It might also help you to understand why Ron Paul and the CFL will never be considered "mainstream" and why all this talk about 9/11 being the cause is so ridiculous.

 

[HaddEnuff]

Rome is burning, the sky is actually falling, and people think you can save the Republic talking about the Constitution. We yell fire because Rome IS burning. You will not save the illusional Republic talking about the Constitution while they have set fire to Rome and the people think Al Quada did it.

Good night all.

Night Patriot. Keep the faith. Rome might be burning but there are a lot of patriots out there with their fire hoses at the ready.....never let them take your fire hose.

 

[Bman]

Do some research please. Find out the five corporations that own nearly all of the MSM. Then research what else they own.
It might also help you to understand why Ron Paul and the CFL will never be considered "mainstream" and why all this talk about 9/11 being the cause is so ridiculous.

And when I find these articles they will be written by the exact people who are trying to get me to believe in some massive conspiracy. I mean for instance Loose Change. One of the most laughable parts of the video is how they say all these people who were supposedly on the planes actually were not and were not killed and they are still alive. Yeah? Well how about a freakin address or something. Maybe a dated newspaper with the dudes holding it, denouncing the whole thing. Can't you see how ridiculous some of these claims are? And even if they were true do you really think you can prove it in a court of law. If so you've had 7 years what are you waiting for? All this research. I must ask have you actually read the 9/11 Commisions Report? Or was it just immediatly thrown to the side as part of the conspiracy because someone who runs 10 websites and has made some cool videos told you it was?

You guys have been getting no where quick, because most won't take you seriously. You must shift to ideas and drop the conspiracy bits.

 

[amyk]

I must have missed it.

I must have missed the chanting from the 911 truthers at the rally, the only time I heard anything about 911 was when Jesse brought it up and the crowd responded. Not all truthers are as you are saying, I have yet to be ganged up on or not been able to have other conversations with those I have spoke to.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I said it before in this thread and I'll say it again:

Ron Paul lost the GOP "base" before he even started, and it had nothing to do with "truthers" or anybody else within the "movement".

He lost the GOP base because that base is concerned about only two things, "Killin' us some HayRabs" (Iraq and soon to be Iran wars) and a "lock 'em up and throw away the key" police state. Everything else, every other principle the GOP used to stand for is a distant secondary concern or disregarded completely.

Proof: the slavish praise heaped on Joe Lieberman at the RNC. This is a man who stands in opposition to all those principles save one, endless wars.

And Ron Paul opposes this new prime directive of the Grotesque Old Party, clearly, without equivocation.

You don't win the War Party's nomination by being anti-war.

 

[amyk]

I have been in many Ron Paul forums before and after reading ALL the comments in this post I am wondering if this Ron Paul forum is always so hateful and against each other? I really hope not because I used to be in the Ron Paul War Room all the time until it was run into the ground and have been looking for somewhere besides, C4L and Daily Paul to keep learning new info and to chat with fellow supporters. Did I just pick the wrong topic to read for my first one!?!

 

[Bman]

I have been in many Ron Paul forums before and after reading ALL the comments in this post I am wondering if this Ron Paul forum is always so hateful and against each other? I really hope not because I used to be in the Ron Paul War Room all the time until it was run into the ground and have been looking for somewhere besides, C4L and Daily Paul to keep learning new info and to chat with fellow supporters. Did I just pick the wrong topic to read for my first one!?!

Well this is certainly a bad thread to look at unless you don't mind debate and arguing between 9/11 truthers and non9/11 truthers.

Personally I don't dislike these guys. I would just like to see seperation between messages. The conversation has gone on tangents. I imagine as with all forums, though, it will get lively from time to time in here.

 

[amyk]

I agree this was a bad one to start with but I have never been afraid to get into a good discussion about issues. And have never been one to back down on what I believe in either. I was just looking through other posts and feel much better now about the discussions in here. I am glad to have found another place with fellow RP supporters.

 

[Bman]

I agree this was a bad one to start with but I have never been afraid to get into a good discussion about issues. And have never been one to back down on what I believe in either. I was just looking through other posts and feel much better now about the discussions in here. I am glad to have found another place with fellow RP supporters.

I'm far more interested in contacting my congressman and telling him to balance the darn budget than arguing about this stuff. But sometimes you have to air out the dirty laundry. I actually see it as healthy, so long as no one starts taking things personally. I think beyond some bantering that most here can agree we share more things than we disagree. It's just the karma of the group to be outspoken.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have been in many Ron Paul forums before and after reading ALL the comments in this post I am wondering if this Ron Paul forum is always so hateful and against each other? I really hope not because I used to be in the Ron Paul War Room all the time until it was run into the ground and have been looking for somewhere besides, C4L and Daily Paul to keep learning new info and to chat with fellow supporters. Did I just pick the wrong topic to read for my first one!?!

Yes you did.

There is probably no more of a divisive and ugly schism here, than that of the never ending "truther" argument.

Stick around though, you'll find it worthwhile.

 

[amyk]

I am not going anywhere!! I have missed chatting with supporters and need to keep in touch so I don't go postal in the town I live in! They are poster people for what a sheeple looks like and there is NO waking them up!! I want to puke when I hear them talk about the candidates, we have Al Franken running for senate here does that tell you anything

 

[tremendoustie]

And how has that worked out for you? Who was your last Presidential candidate that even came close to receiving the kind of support RP has? Don't put words in my mouth. I never said we did it all but we did the heavy lifting.

Oh, I get it, since you claim to have done the "heavy lifting", you own the candidate and have the right to use him as you see fit, while the rest of us are just hanging on. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought we were all working together to promote liberty, constitutional government, and a candidate who put together a stellar record over decades, but now I see we owe everything to you. It's kind of you to let us join in. By the way, you might want to let your employee Dr. Paul know that since he owes everything to you, you expect to see 9/11 truth under the CFL mission statement in return. You see, many of us hangers-on are getting the false impression that that's not what this movement is about at all.


Oh, and the last presidential candidate I supported was Bush in 00', who won (back when I actually thought the GOP believed in freedom). You see, there are millions more like me still part of the GOP, getting BSed into voting for McCain, and if we attract them, we will win.

There ya go with your dillusional thoughts that the game isn't rigged and you can just go out and spread the message of liberty to get a President elected.

Even if the elections were completely rigged, step 1 is getting a critical mass of people that will stand up against the status quo. Enough that cannot be marginalized or ignored, and enough so that vote fraud would be obvious. The faster we get enough to really shake things up, the faster we get real change.

No. Anyone who has researched the subject and seen the incredible amount of evidence against our Gov and comes away with the conclusion they are not involved then you either do not have 2 brain cells to rub together or have not truly researched the topic and are remaining intentionally ignorant and spouting off your ignorant, unintelligent views about 9/11.

It is very immature to consider everyone who disagrees with you unintelligent or ignorant. I'm a scientist, and I have certain very strong beliefs, but I would never make that assumption about any of them. I have studied much of the evidence, and I've honestly concluded that the evidence isn't there. But I support an investigation, which I am sure will at the very least turn up government incompetence. If you have evidence you'd like me to see, by all means, pm me and I'll take a look. If I think it's convincing, I'll tell you, and if not, I'll tell you why.

I don't consider you ignorant or unintelligent for believing in 9/11 truth, at least not without knowing your reasoning.

And I am disgusted by people who do not have a clue of what they are up against and yet profess to be some kind of expert on how to win the race. You are playing a chess game without even knowing the rules of the game they are playing.

We need a critical mass of people. I see people being turned off every day by the 9/11 message. It's not rocket science.

9/11 truth is not a goal of the CFL (please view the mission statement on the CFL website if you disagree).

Um yeah. So?

So the ideas of 9/11 truth should not be associated with the CFL, since they are an inaccurate representation of what the CFL is about.

Hey....looky here. You seem to be in a fringe category (only 18% seem to believe our gov was innocent) so please leave the movement as I am afraid you will scare off the mainstream people who believe 9/11 was an inside job:

Right, because RP forums is a good representation of mainstream America . If we just can convince average american joe, who works hard, watches the network news, cracks a sixpack and watches football, then goes on RP forums, we'll be set. Oh wait.

Look, it's not that I'm opposed to the 9/11 truth movement. Even if, say 30% of everyone believe 9/11 was an inside job, it's not a plank of the movement, so we should not be promoting it as if it were. We could not afford to alienate the 70% of people opposed to this. There's no reason to drive people from the movement because of an idea which is not even part of our mission at all. I would say this even I somehow knew for a fact that 9/11 was an inside job, the purpose of this campaign is not to educate people on that issue.

For the simple reason that it is not part of the mission of the CFL, it should not be promoted alongside it. We need to get 100% of the people who support the stated mission of the CFL to support the movement.