Tucker Carlson & Truthers

[freelance]

You won't get an argument from me about that.

The democrat party has done a good job of hiding that fact.

I think in the modern usage the democrats represent the "welfare" wing of the "Welfare/Warfare" state.

It was really quite amusing to watch the gatekeepers at Huffpo and Kos silence the dissension after the BIG O's vote on FISA, his remarks about off-shore drilling and his war stances. There is going to be a collective implosion of their brains after the election if Obama wins. I suppose that's the silver lining. Maybe, just maybe, they will come to their senses, but I don't have any more hope for them than I do for the GOP at large. It will be fun to watch their disillusionment grow. Misery loves company.

 

[PatriotOne]

So if you are going to gain any traction within the GOP (a futile effort) then you must convince the average GOP voter that the wars are lies, meant only to grow the health and power of the state.

Exactly. It really is that simple and has been crystal clear to me from the beginning.

 

[PatriotOne]

The assaults on the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments are enough to get people on board without much controversy.

I disagree. Until the masses realize our rights were not taken away to protect us from the terrorists, they will give up their rights for the illusion of being protected from the terrorists.

Take it from an expert:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hermann Goering

 

[PatriotOne]

Once again, I'd like to point out that I'm not 'anti-Truther'. I just believe they are two separate movements, and I know there are 'truthers' who agree with that position. By seperate movements, I mean they assist Ron Paul but do not use him for their own gain.

Reality check......RP's movement is approximately 50% truthers, RP has benefited from them instead of the other way around. The "truth moverment" has gained nothing by supporting RP and yet we do it anyways.

Upon further reflection, I am going to retract my statement above somewhat. Truthers have benefited by being in the RP movement. We have benefitted by having a common bond with other RP supporters and having the opportunity to educate them further on 9/11. The opposite is true also. I know, I for one, have been educated by non-truthers on issues I would have never bothered to take the initiative to look at on my own. We all benefit by becoming more educated. And no, the trolls on this board, who are paid to divide us and post incessently denying the evidence of a flase flag operation are not representative of the true RP supporters on this board who have benefitted from our knowledge.

 

[Charles Wilson]

Folks I think it is correct to say that we all know that our government is the cause, if not the perpetrator, of many of the terrible things that happen in this country. Whether the US government covertly orchestrated and/or helped destroy the twin tower complex -- as many believe -- is not the point. I was watching CNN as the second airplane hit one of the towers, therefore I have no doubt about what brought that tower down. The point is, our foreign policy in the Middle East was the driving force that led 19 radicals to hijack civilian airplanes and commit suicide by flying those planes into the towers. The radical leaders in the Middle East gave our government fair warning on several occasions to get off of their turf. They attacked us on several occasions before hitting the twin towers. The arrogant globalists in Washington would not listen. That is the factual story that should be told. If a Congressional investigation will help shed light on the facts then it will be very helpful in getting the truth out as to the cause and who was responsible. I am very suspicious of anyone who is afraid of learning the truth.

BTW: The government involvement in the Waco massacre in the early 90s was one of the reasons for the bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma City -- it was payback.

"The two main conspirators, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, had met in 1988 at Fort Benning during Basic Training for the U.S. Army.[3] Michael Fortier was an Army roommate of McVeigh's.[4] As a survivalist, McVeigh viewed guns as important tools for survival, since they could be used to protect one's food and other supplies from desperate marauders after the collapse of the economy. The three shared antigovernment views, including opposition to gun control and anger at the federal government's handling of the Waco Siege and the incident at Ruby Ridge. McVeigh decided to bomb a federal building as a counter-attack for these raids.[5]"

 

[HaddEnuff]

Folks I think it is correct to say that we all know that our government is the cause, if not the perpetrator, of many of the terrible things that happen in this country. Whether the US government covertly orchestrated and/or helped destroy the twin tower complex -- as many believe -- is not the point. I was watching CNN as the second airplane hit one of the towers, therefore I have no doubt about what brought that tower down. The point is, our foreign policy in the Middle East was the driving force that led 19 radicals to hijack civilian airplanes and commit suicide by flying those planes into the towers. The radical leaders in the Middle East gave our government fair warning on several occasions to get off of their turf. They attacked us on several occasions before hitting the twin towers. The arrogant globalists in Washington would not listen. That is the factual story that should be told. If a Congressional investigation will help shed light on the facts then it will be very helpful in getting the truth out as to the cause and who was responsible. I am very suspicious of anyone who is afraid of learning the truth.

BTW: The government involvement in the Waco massacre in the early 90s was one of the reasons for the bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma City -- it was payback.

"The two main conspirators, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, had met in 1988 at Fort Benning during Basic Training for the U.S. Army.[3] Michael Fortier was an Army roommate of McVeigh's.[4] As a survivalist, McVeigh viewed guns as important tools for survival, since they could be used to protect one's food and other supplies from desperate marauders after the collapse of the economy. The three shared antigovernment views, including opposition to gun control and anger at the federal government's handling of the Waco Siege and the incident at Ruby Ridge. McVeigh decided to bomb a federal building as a counter-attack for these raids.[5]"

If this movement is to succeed, tuning out the mainstream media must be the first step.

 

[PatriotOne]

The point is, our foreign policy in the Middle East was the driving force that led 19 radicals to hijack civilian airplanes and commit suicide by flying those planes into the towers.

Just one problem with that. It is not the truth and by promoting that lie, people will just blame the error on "stupidity" of our Government and elect another NWO stooge like Obama/McCain not knowing the real motivation behind the false flag operation. Then another "false flag" operation can take place during the Obama or McCain admin to continue the war(s) because they will justify it yet again because the terrorists attacked us. The truth is the only thing that is going to bring the people back to their senses and what you said is NOT the truth.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

I disagree. Until the masses realize our rights were not taken away to protect us from the terrorists, they will give up their rights for the illusion of being protected from the terrorists.

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What do you base your point of disagreement on? That some tactics aren't working? What is your solution?

Other solutions have been effectively the same since the outset and ARE working. Red-Pill Lite, brought to The People face to face. With the truth in our eyes, we are succeeding; not by scaring the heck out of people, but by killing our opponents with kindness, Hawaiian style...

And you can quote any old propaganda you want, but I am here to tell you, after ground campaigning in over 20 states for the last year and a half, that The People are not as heavily asleep as some would suggest. I maintain that the assaults on the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments are fertile ground for spreading the roots.

onward and forward...

 

[PatriotOne]

"The two main conspirators, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, had met in 1988 at Fort Benning during Basic Training for the U.S. Army.[3] Michael Fortier was an Army roommate of McVeigh's.[4] As a survivalist, McVeigh viewed guns as important tools for survival, since they could be used to protect one's food and other supplies from desperate marauders after the collapse of the economy. The three shared antigovernment views, including opposition to gun control and anger at the federal government's handling of the Waco Siege and the incident at Ruby Ridge. McVeigh decided to bomb a federal building as a counter-attack for these raids.[5]"

Jesus....our Gov did the OKC bombing also. Go read some fucking books and quit being a useful idiot. Sorry Charlie, but I get so sick of the ignorance

 

[constituent]

"The two main conspirators, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, had met in 1988 at Fort Benning during Basic Training for the U.S. Army.[3] Michael Fortier was an Army roommate of McVeigh's.[4] As a survivalist, McVeigh viewed guns as important tools for survival, since they could be used to protect one's food and other supplies from desperate marauders after the collapse of the economy. The three shared antigovernment views, including opposition to gun control and anger at the federal government's handling of the Waco Siege and the incident at Ruby Ridge. McVeigh decided to bomb a federal building as a counter-attack for these raids.[5]"

ewww... ewww... ewww...

are we ready to talk about the sundowner hotel in Cebu City yet?

 

[rajibo]

Jesus....our Gov did the OKC bombing also. Go read some fucking books and quit being a useful idiot. Sorry Charlie, but I get so sick of the ignorance

Can you please give me one or two books as an introduction to 9/11 truth?

And non-truthers, feel free to give me one or two books that refute 9/11 truth.

I've paid zero attention to this except when that weird lady was on Howard Stern saying the planes that flew into the buildings were cartoons.

 

[PatriotOne]

I maintain that the assaults on the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments are fertile ground for spreading the roots.

onward and forward...

Sure, if you hope to take the country back in the year 3000. Take a lesson from the NWO, they shock and awed us into giving up our rights in one day. The truth shock and awe's the sheeple in one day also.

 

[PatriotOne]

Can you please give me one or two books as an introduction to 9/11 truth?

And non-truthers, feel free to give me one or two books that refute 9/11 truth.

I've paid zero attention to this except when that weird lady was on Howard Stern saying the planes that flew into the buildings were cartoons.

I'll be glad to get you some links to books. There are quite a few out there. Have you watched any of the dozens of docum,entaries free on google vids done on the subject yet? I can get you links to some of the better ones.

 

[Jamsie 567]

I'll be glad to get you some links to books. There are quite a few out there. Have you watched any of the dozens of docum,entaries free on google vids done on the subject yet? I can get you links to some of the better ones.

The best documentary I have seen which everyone should see whether you believe in this topic or not. "The last man out" The story of the William Rodriguez. He was the only person to have a key to the trade center on 9/11.

 

[rajibo]

I'll be glad to get you some links to books. There are quite a few out there. Have you watched any of the dozens of docum,entaries free on google vids done on the subject yet? I can get you links to some of the better ones.

Please do. Whatever you think is the best.

 

[nate4ron]

Seriously, the 9/11 Truth Movement is soiling Ron Paul's message and the Ron Paul Revolution. The truthers piggy-back on Ron Paul, as a means of getting "mainstream" legitimacy. It sickens me to know that they are only making things worse for everyone, and even pushing potential friends away, such as Tucker Carlson and Glenn Beck.

Thanks for fucking ruining Ron Paul's image. No, of course it's not enough to hold your own forums and rallies. You have to attach yourself to a totally seperate cause. There's a difference between being a 9/11 truther who endorses Ron Paul's message and a 9/11 truther who wants to take advantage of Ron Paul. The latter make me sick.

 

[PatriotOne]

Can you please give me one or two books as an introduction to 9/11 truth?

And non-truthers, feel free to give me one or two books that refute 9/11 truth.

I've paid zero attention to this except when that weird lady was on Howard Stern saying the planes that flew into the buildings were cartoons.

I hadn't heard about the weird lady on Howard Stern. I assure you real planes hit the WTC's and the truth movement does not think they were cartoons .

The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions by David Ray Griffin might be a good book for you. It goes into what the "official" report claims and as the title suggests, the lies of the official report itself. Since most people aren't even sure what the "official" report claims, it is hard to understand why we call them liars in the first place. This book is a good education on the official claims as well as debunking them.

He has other great books on the subject also:

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&app...x=books&field-author=David Ray Griffin&page=1

 

[constituent]

put it this way... if you're not ready to address Cebu City, either you're on the take or haven't looked into it... and need to.

kthnx

 

[PatriotOne]

The best documentary I have seen which everyone should see whether you believe in this topic or not. "The last man out" The story of the William Rodriguez. He was the only person to have a key to the trade center on 9/11.

Ohhhhh....I haven't seen that one I don't think. I have seen him do lectures though and he is quite compelling. Rodriguez is a true hero in every sense of the word and refused to become a spokesperson for the Bush Admin because he knew first hand they were lying. He truly has major integrity!

 

[PatriotOne]

Please do. Whatever you think is the best.

There are literally dozens of documentaries out there on the subject and most of them are worth watching (some are intentional disinfo though so be careful). Here are some very worthy ones to start with. If you are like most people, these will get you started on the education of a lifetime because one becomes rather obssessed with the subject and related subjects. Knowing truth becomes an obsession

William Rodriguez, 'The Last Man Out' of 1 WTC, Contradicts the 9/11 Commission

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...i=siTESOKbMKiIqQOqpIi6BQ&q=last+man+out&hl=en

Loose Change has a special place in my heart since it is one that not only woke me up in the first place, but has literally woke up millions of people. It has been viewed by around 20 million people now even though Google kept removing it or resetting the view counter.

Loose Change, Final Cut

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...i=oyXESMCMBZmyqAPUlOS2BQ&q=loose+change&hl=en

9/11 Press for Truth

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...XoDKLWqAPFq7y8BQ&q=9/11+press+for+truth&hl=en