Tsarnaev defense fails to ask hardest questions

[jmdrake]

Link to report? (a small cut on the neck does not rule out a bullet through the mouth).

http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/swat-team-boston-bomber-possibly-not-shot/

The CNN video is at the WND link.

And nobody but you said the slice was small.

 

[Zippyjuan]

And for the record the government lied when they said he had a throat wound before he was arrested.

http://www.infowars.com/dzhokar-tsarnaevs-throat-wound-another-government-lie-bites-the-dust/



Those who ignore the conspiracy theories choose to be ignorant.

So he DIDN'T have a neck injury.

Read this Zippy.
In May, the story changed. It was said Tsarnaev didn’t have a bullet wound in his throat, but was cut. “I did see a throat injury. To me it looked more like a knife wound,” said Officer Jeff Campbell of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority Transit Police SWAT Unit. “It wasn’t a puncture hole. It was a slice where it was spread open, possibly a piece of shrapnel from one of the explosives that they were using the night before. It didn’t look like a bullet wound to me. It looked like a cut of some kind.” Campbell was supposedly part of the team that apprehended Tsarnaev, so if anybody knew about his wounds, it would be Campbell and his fellow SWAT officers.

So he DID have a neck injury.

(thanks for the link by the way)

 

[jmdrake]

So he DIDN'T have a neck injury.





So he DID have a neck injury.

(thanks for the link by the way)

A shill's gonna shill. If that's all you got from reading that then work on deeper reading comprehension. The government at first said he had a gunshot wound. Then they said later he didn't have a gunshot wound but a knife wood. In the pictures of him crawling out of the boat you don't see any wounds. So...at some point....he gets a knife wound. The government can't say "There's not any wound" because that would be too obvious. Yes he has a wound. When did he get it? There is clearly no across the throat slice in the picture.

 

[Zippyjuan]

There is clearly no across the throat slice in the picture.

The SWAT officer did not say it was a slice clear across the throat (and again, we can't see his entire neck in any of the photos). Also again a cut does not rule out a bullet. According to Dr. Odom there was an exit wound on the neck which would look differently from a bullet entry wound.

“It wasn’t a puncture hole. It was a slice where it was spread open, possibly a piece of shrapnel from one of the explosives that they were using the night before. It didn’t look like a bullet wound to me. It looked like a cut of some kind.” Campbell

Tsarnaev struggling to get out of the boat.

Another of him- blood on the neck but can't say if it is from a neck injury or other blood running down.

Pressure being applied to left side of his neck as he is being treated (yes, I am aware that in the press conference the SWAT officer pointed at the other side of his own neck but that is not conclusive as to which side the injury was on)

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2013/08/27/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-manhunt-photos/4/

 

[phill4paul]

So. Can he speak or can't he speak in his defense. Physically. Can he speak or can't he speak in his defense. Mentally. Can he speak in his defense. Politically.

 

[Zippyjuan]

He can speak now- his wounds have healed. His lawyer (as per usual) urges him not to take the stand.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

And for the record the government lied when they said he had a throat wound before he was arrested.

http://www.infowars.com/dzhokar-tsarnaevs-throat-wound-another-government-lie-bites-the-dust/

Those who ignore the conspiracy theories choose to be ignorant.

This is true, that's why they fired the cop who leaked these pictures. It let the cat out of the bag. If anything bleeds prodigiously it's a neck/throat wound. He would be soaked in blood and probably passed out and going into shock. Here is is climbing out of the boat on his own power, then suddenly in the hospital he is declared in critical condition. I'd say someone cut his neck while they were arresting him, trying to kill him. Check out the reaction of these SWAT team guys when their leader refers to a knife cut on his neck, they are like "Huh? We didn't see that when we took him..."

 

[jmdrake]

The SWAT officer did not say it was a slice clear across the throat (and again, we can't see his entire neck in any of the photos). Also again a cut does not rule out a bullet. According to Dr. Odom there was an exit wound on the neck which would look differently from a bullet entry wound.

The SWAT team member specifically said it was NOT an exit wound. So he conflicts with your Dr. Odom. Also he pointed to the part of the neck there the wound was. That part of the neck is visible in the pictures you posted. There is no blood there.

Another of him- blood on the neck but can't say if it is from a neck injury or other blood running down.

And in this picture he clearly is standing on his own which is not what you would expect from someone who had been bleeding for any significant period of time from a self inflicted wound.

Pressure being applied to left side of his neck as he is being treated (yes, I am aware that in the press conference the SWAT officer pointed at the other side of his own neck but that is not conclusive as to which side the injury was on)

Glad you picked that up. You are discounting the very real possibility that the wound being treated by the pressure occurred after Tsarnaev got out of the boat.

 

[jmdrake]

He can speak now- his wounds have healed. His lawyer (as per usual) urges him not to take the stand.

And your conclusive evidence that he is physically able to speak now is.....? Oh yeah. You don't have any. (As per usual).

 

[Zippyjuan]

The SWAT team member specifically said it was NOT an exit wound. So he conflicts with your Dr. Odom. Also he pointed to the part of the neck there the wound was. That part of the neck is visible in the pictures you posted. There is no blood there.




And in this picture he clearly is standing on his own which is not what you would expect from someone who had been bleeding for any significant period of time from a self inflicted wound.



Glad you picked that up. You are discounting the very real possibility that the wound being treated by the pressure occurred after Tsarnaev got out of the boat.

The SWAT team said it did not look to them like a bullet wound. He did NOT "specifically say it was not an exit wound". A bullet ENTRY wound is often round. A bullet EXIT wound can be quite different depending on what happened with the bullet while it was in the body as well as the bullet itself. The doctor described damage to several bones in his head which would have damaged the bullet which could have come out shreading due to its damage- rather than a neat round hole. How much a neck wound bleeds depends on if any major arteries were damaged. According to the doctor, his was missed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/04/22/alleged-bombers-neck-wound-missed-vital-arteries/

Alleged Bomber’s Neck Wound Missed Vital Arteries

The bullet that sliced through the neck of Boston Marathon bomb suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev likely missed his major arteries and windpipe, experts said.
Otherwise, he would have been dead within minutes.

“If you think about it, [the neck has] got a lot of very important structures in a very small, confined space,” said Dr. Elliott Haut, a professor of surgery at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

He is sitting on the side of the boat- not standing on his own. Already forgot the first photo in the series where he cannot stand up? Since you like the words of Officer Jeff Campbell, let him describe the scene:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boston-swat-team-we-wanted-to-end-this/

As they approached the boat, Campbell says he saw "the suspect sitting up on the...gunnel of the boat with one leg hanging over the side."

"His hands were just sort of down by his side. He looked weak. He was shaky, appeared to be losing consciousness, and did have some wounds to his body," Campbell said, adding that the officers then commanded Tsarnaev "to get down off the boat, because we didn't know what he has on the inside of that gunnel where his other hand is. We don't know if he has a weapon or some type of explosive ignition that he could just reach down and hit."

At that point, Tsarnaev was not responding to the team's commands. "He's just kind of staring at us," Campbell said, "We waited to a point where , as we were getting closer to him and both hands came up, we saw that both hands were open [and] we bolted out in front of the shield at that point. That was the one chance we had and we wanted to end this for everybody."

Despite concerns Tsarnaev may have had other explosive devices in the vicinity of the boat, Tran told Miller that when the team "bolted" out to apprehend the suspect, "Your training kicks in...you can't be scared, you just got to do the task at hand."

 

[Zippyjuan]

And your conclusive evidence that he is physically able to speak now is.....? Oh yeah. You don't have any. (As per usual).

As usual, you don't check things (unless it is with Alex Jones). Is his Mother a reliable enough for you?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/listen-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-talks-mother-article-1.1363579

LISTEN: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev tells mother he's well-fed, receiving money
Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev talks to his mother, Zubeidat, for the first time since the April 15 terror attack. She, in turn, shared a recording of that conversation.

Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is eating well and making money while he sits in a federal medical detention center awaiting trial, he told his mother in the first recording of his voice released since the April 15 terror attack.

In the only conversation he's had with his mother since his arrest, Tsarnaev reassures Zubeidat Tsarnaeva he's being fed well, chicken and rice, and is stacking cash — unsolicited — as people send money to support him, the United Kingdom's Channel 4 reported.

"He said, 'Mama, do not worry about me, I do have money, somebody opened an account for me, and people do send me money here, and I do have lots of money,'" the suspected terrorist's mother recounted.

He told her he has raised a thousand dollars, Zubediat said with a laugh. That's in addition to the $8,000 Zubeidat and her husband, Anzor Tsarnaev, have raised for the teen's defense fund.

The native Chechens, who live in Makhachkala, Dagestan have had one phone conversation so far with their surviving son.

"Everything is good, please don't say anything," the 19-year-old suspect said last week to his emotional mother, who cried as she played the recording for the news channel, which translated the conversation from Russian.

It's unclear if Dzhokhar was trying to reassure his distraught mother — or asking her to clam up to law enforcement and media.

More plus audio at the link.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

As usual, you don't check things (unless it is with Alex Jones). Is his Mother a reliable enough for you?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/listen-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-talks-mother-article-1.1363579



More plus audio at the link.

He doesn't need money he needs a real lawyer.

 

[jmdrake]

The SWAT team said it did not look to them like a bullet wound. He did NOT "specifically say it was not an exit wound". A bullet ENTRY wound is often round. A bullet EXIT wound can be quite different depending on what happened with the bullet while it was in the body as well as the bullet itself. The doctor described damage to several bones in his head which would have damaged the bullet which could have come out shreading due to its damage- rather than a neat round hole. How much a neck wound bleeds depends on if any major arteries were damaged. According to the doctor, his was missed.

Right. Because someone from SWAT doesn't know about bullet exit wounds. Really grabbing at straws here Zippy.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/04/22/alleged-bombers-neck-wound-missed-vital-arteries/


He is sitting on the side of the boat- not standing on his own. Already forgot the first photo in the series where he cannot stand up? Since you like the words of Officer Jeff Campbell, let him describe the scene:

In one picture he was straddling the boat and his body was upright and erect. I the next picture he was clearly not sitting. Another straw grab.

 

[Zippyjuan]

So you don't believe Jeff Campbell's description.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boston-swat-team-we-wanted-to-end-this/

As they approached the boat, Campbell says he saw "the suspect sitting up on the...gunnel of the boat with one leg hanging over the side."

"His hands were just sort of down by his side. He looked weak. He was shaky, appeared to be losing consciousness, and did have some wounds to his body," Campbell said, adding that the officers then commanded Tsarnaev "to get down off the boat, because we didn't know what he has on the inside of that gunnel where his other hand is. We don't know if he has a weapon or some type of explosive ignition that he could just reach down and hit."

At that point, Tsarnaev was not responding to the team's commands. "He's just kind of staring at us," Campbell said, "We waited to a point where , as we were getting closer to him and both hands came up, we saw that both hands were open [and] we bolted out in front of the shield at that point. That was the one chance we had and we wanted to end this for everybody."

Despite concerns Tsarnaev may have had other explosive devices in the vicinity of the boat, Tran told Miller that when the team "bolted" out to apprehend the suspect, "Your training kicks in...you can't be scared, you just got to do the task at hand."

I might suggest that besides reading what Campbell describes that you look through the entire series of photos taken at the scene and not just the one which appears to support your theory. Start here. http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2013/08/27/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-manhunt-photos/2/ (photos continue on next two pages at link)

He was definately NOT standing stable on his own.

And in this picture he clearly is standing on his own which is not what you would expect from someone who had been bleeding for any significant period of time from a self inflicted wound.

 

[jmdrake]

So you don't believe Jeff Campbell's description.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boston-swat-team-we-wanted-to-end-this/

Zippy, you're just being dishonest here. I already said from jump that there's a position with him straddling the boat sitting upright but that it is not the only picture. Good grief man. You're being lame. And if you are in shock aren't able to sit upright like that either.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

As usual, you don't check things (unless it is with Alex Jones). Is his Mother a reliable enough for you?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/listen-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-talks-mother-article-1.1363579

Yes, that brigade of professionals at New York Daily News must be more reliable than Alex Jones. I guess you would think so because New York is so friendly to you Democrats.

Those big gov type journalists also probably thanked the Boston Police for raiding people's homes.