Trump’s Counterterrorism “Czar” Says “You’re With Us or You’re With the Terrorists”

[familydog]

That's the goal of this manufactured "crisis". And it's working.

It also reminds me when Bush W passed the "Patriot" Act, and the "reasons" given.

Suckers are born every day.

The immigrant and migrant crisis we face certainly was manufactured by globalists to destroy Heritage America. That much we can agree.

Regardless, can anyone please explain to me why non-citizens ought to have any rights at all without appealing to the state and its laws?

 

[PAF]

The immigrant and migrant crisis we face certainly was manufactured by globalists to destroy Heritage America. That much we can agree.

Regardless, can anyone please explain to me why non-citizens ought to have any rights at all without appealing to the state and its laws?

Globalists, on both sides, who are elected and re-elected by the voting Americans. Republicans are every bit to blame as the democrats. Difference being, democrats roll out the "feel good" stories, republicans allow the money to flow.

I really like this post, maybe you will too:

Post in thread 'The Border is now a Military Base (The Roosevelt Reservation)'

Apr 24, 2025

Just what Ron would have wanted.

Ron Paul is opposed to illegal immigration. He is also opposed to militarization of the border, not in order to give illegals leeway to enter the US, but because the real reason the border has to be militarized is in order to maintain the outlandishly extravagant, blockbuster warfare-welfare State in the US -- the Military Industrial Complex and its little brother, the Mooch Industrial Complex. If Americans would insist on the Federal government sticking to the Constitution (or else), thus ending the Fed, the unconstitutional Federal income tax...

• ClaytonB

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[familydog]

Globalists, on both sides, who are elected and re-elected by the voting Americans. Republicans are every bit to blame as the democrats. Difference being, democrats roll out the "feel good" stories, republicans allow the money to flow.

I really like this post, maybe you will too:

Post in thread 'The Border is now a Military Base (The Roosevelt Reservation)'

Apr 24, 2025

Just what Ron would have wanted.

Ron Paul is opposed to illegal immigration. He is also opposed to militarization of the border, not in order to give illegals leeway to enter the US, but because the real reason the border has to be militarized is in order to maintain the outlandishly extravagant, blockbuster warfare-welfare State in the US -- the Military Industrial Complex and its little brother, the Mooch Industrial Complex. If Americans would insist on the Federal government sticking to the Constitution (or else), thus ending the Fed, the unconstitutional Federal income tax...

• ClaytonB

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Why would I defend Republicans and the Republican Party? They are more to blame than the Democrats, because at least the Democrats are honest about their evil and depravity.

Yeah, Ron Paul gets some things wrong. Putting troops on the border to protect against illegal border crossings does not somehow give a win to the MIC. That's just retarded.

Regardless, I'd like to know why we should give illegals due process and I'd like to know why without appealing to the state.

 

[PAF]

Why would I defend Republicans and the Republican Party? They are more to blame than the Democrats, because at least the Democrats are honest about their evil and depravity.

Yeah, Ron Paul gets some things wrong. Putting troops on the border to protect against illegal border crossings does not somehow give a win to the MIC. That's just retarded.

Regardless, I'd like to know why we should give illegals due process and I'd like to know why without appealing to the state.

Really??? Haven't you Followed the Money???

Appeal to the states, fine by me. All I am pointing out is that the Bill of Rights applies to all people, not just Government owned citizens.

 

[nikcers]

Really??? Haven't you Followed the Money???

Appeal to the states, fine by me. All I am pointing out is that the Bill of Rights applies to all people, not just Government owned citizens.

Different governments have different rights.

Some people have no rights at all.

Our government is self government so the government gets their power from the citizens.

 

[nikcers]

She's a Canadian citizen.

Once Canada becomes the 51st state this won't be an issue.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If someone is here illegally, they're subject to deportation, that's the only justification needed.

But people are being deported to a life sentence, having committed no crimes while in the US.

And tyring to bolster their case by labeling randoms as "terrorists", makes them look desperate.

Especially since they're referring to damn near everything as "terrorism", from arson to murder.

Violent, armed, foreign invaders taking over apartment buildings, conducting gang wars in our territory, and murdering Americans with the backing of hostile foreign governments.

I'm not concerned.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And you consider speech treason in a democratic republic. Especially true speech -- you've made that obvious.

More of your typical lies.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why would I defend Republicans and the Republican Party? They are more to blame than the Democrats, because at least the Democrats are honest about their evil and depravity.

Yeah, Ron Paul gets some things wrong. Putting troops on the border to protect against illegal border crossings does not somehow give a win to the MIC. That's just retarded.

Regardless, I'd like to know why we should give illegals due process and I'd like to know why without appealing to the state.

Ron called for the troops to be put on the border and said immigration could be like an invasion and need to be treated as one.

I don't remember The founders giving due process to the Canadians who invaded in 1812.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I’m the Canadian who was detained by Ice for two weeks. It felt like I had been kidnapped

I was stuck in a freezing cell without explanation despite eventually having lawyers and media attention. Yet, compared with others, I was lucky

www.theguardian.com

After a long interrogation, the officer told me it seemed “shady” and that my visa hadn’t been properly processed.

He claimed I also couldn’t work for a company in the US that made use of hemp – one of the beverage ingredients.

He revoked my visa, and told me I could still work for the company from Canada, but if I wanted to return to the US, I would need to reapply.

I was devastated; I had just started building a life in California.

I stayed in Canada for the next few months, and was eventually offered a similar position with a different health and wellness brand.

I restarted the visa process and returned to the same immigration office at the San Diego border, since they had processed my visa before and I was familiar with it.

Hours passed, with many confused opinions about my case.

The officer I spoke to was kind but told me that, due to my previous issues, I needed to apply for my visa through the consulate.

I told her I hadn’t been aware I needed to apply that way, but had no problem doing it.

Nobody is dumb enough to think that they can cross the border to apply for a visa when they lost their last one.
Applying to renew a visa while you still have one is completely different.
She crossed without a visa and tried to hoodwink the officers into thinking she was renewing instead of having to apply for a new one.

 

[unknown]

Nobody is dumb enough to think that they can cross the border to apply for a visa when they lost their last one.
Applying to renew a visa while you still have one is completely different.
She crossed without a visa and tried to hoodwink the officers into thinking she was renewing instead of having to apply for a new one.

You're lying.

She intentionally went to the San Diego CBP Office with the purpose of applying for a visa.

"I restarted the visa process and returned to the same immigration office at the San Diego border, since they had processed my visa before and I was familiar with it."

She was told she needed to apply at a Consulate and was then kidnapped and thrown into a cage for 12 days.

Whats even more obvious is that many CBP officers, still loyal to Dems, are engaging in reverse racism.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You're lying.

She intentionally went to the San Diego CBP Office with the purpose of applying for a visa.

"I restarted the visa process and returned to the same immigration office at the San Diego border, since they had processed my visa before and I was familiar with it."

She was told she needed to apply at a Consulate and was then kidnapped and thrown into a cage for 12 days.

Whats even more obvious is that many CBP officers, still loyal to Dems, are engaging in reverse racism.

She entered the country without a visa, she knew better than to do that.
And the only reason to do that was because she thought it would make it easier to get a visa if they thought she was already here legally and just needed to renew.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I suggest you consult Ron's position on visa violators:

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

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  [*=left]Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  [*=left]Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  [*=left]No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  [*=left]No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  [*=left]End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  [*=left]Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26
"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007

http://archive.is/HW9aj

MR. RUSSERT: You say you're a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be U.S. citizens.REP. PAUL: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What's a--what's the contradiction there?
MR. RUSSERT: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?
REP. PAUL: Well, that's constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn't in the original Constitution. And there's a, there's a confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it's still confusing because people--individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they're under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it's awfully, awfully confusing, and, and I, I--matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.

 

[CCTelander]

Ron called for the troops to be put on the border and said immigration could be like an invasion and need to be treated as one.

I don't remember The founders giving due process to the Canadians who invaded in 1812.

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OK, I’m going to try to be nice here, so in that spirit I’ll just ask rather than assume:

Do you mean to say that there were Canadians deported during the War of 1812? That is what this thread is about, after all. Deportations.

 

[unknown]

She entered the country without a visa, she knew better than to do that.
And the only reason to do that was because she thought it would make it easier to get a visa if they thought she was already here legally and just needed to renew.

She did not "enter the country".

She went to a CBP office at a border crossing to reapply for a work visa.

Visas are not required for Canadian citizens to enter AmeriKa.

There was no reason for her to think that she was going to be subject to kidnapping, not even in Trump's AmeriKa.

 

[Swordsmyth]

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OK, I’m going to try to be nice here, so in that spirit I’ll just ask rather than assume:

Do you mean to say that there were Canadians deported during the War of 1812? That is what this thread is about, after all. Deportations.

There were Canadian invaders who were removed from our territory, whether driven out on the field or captured and sent home at the end of the war.

Trump is currently removing Alien Enemy invaders from our territory.

 

[Swordsmyth]

She did not "enter the country".

She went to a CBP office at a border crossing to reapply for a work visa.

Visas are not required for Canadian citizens to enter AmeriKa.

There was no reason for her to think that she was going to be subject to kidnapping, not even in Trump's AmeriKa.

Visa Requirements - Citizens and Permanent Residents of Canada​

Citizens of Canada traveling to the United States do not require a nonimmigrant visa, except for the travel purposes described below. Canadian citizens who are inadmissible to the United States under United States immigration law or have previously violated the terms of their immigration status in the United States can Learn More about ineligibilities related to Canadians on the CBP website. Canadian citizens with ineligibilities can also apply for a visa at the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate if it is more convenient for them.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/citizens-of-canada-and-bermuda.html

Citizens of Canada and Bermuda

travel.state.gov

She was no longer eligible for the Visa waiver because her last Visa was revoked:

After a long interrogation, the officer told me it seemed “shady” and that my visa hadn’t been properly processed. He claimed I also couldn’t work for a company in the US that made use of hemp – one of the beverage ingredients. He revoked my visa

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

I’m the Canadian who was detained by Ice for two weeks. It felt like I had been kidnapped

I was stuck in a freezing cell without explanation despite eventually having lawyers and media attention. Yet, compared with others, I was lucky

www.theguardian.com

And she wasn't in Mexico, she went from Canada to San Diego:

I stayed in Canada for the next few months, and was eventually offered a similar position with a different health and wellness brand.

I restarted the visa process and returned to the same immigration office at the San Diego border.


She knew she had to get a Visa, but she entered the country without one and tried to scam her way into getting one easier by acting as if she was renewing one she had instead of applying for a new one.

 

[CCTelander]

There were Canadian invaders who were removed from our territory, whether driven out on the field or captured and sent home at the end of the war.

Trump is currently removing Alien Enemy invaders from our territory.

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They were British troops (and indigenous Indian Allies) in full military regalia, uniforms, muskets, bayonets, cannon, the works, engaged in military operations in response to a prior US invasion of Canada. This was going on within the context of a constitutionally legitimate, congressionally declared war.

But all of that is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. This thread is about invoking the Alien Enemies Act against people who are not engaged in any of the above.

Now, during the War of 1812 there definitely were British subjects, from Canada, from Great Britain etc here in the US. There were also non-citizens from various other European countries as well as possibly some from south of the border. SOME of these individuals were no doubt engaging in speech and other activities that opposed, even denounced America’s involvement in the war. Hell, the damn Federalists were adamantly opposed to it. Under your own definition, these non-citizens absolutely were “lending aid and comfort” to the enemy.

So I ask you again, are you claiming that these non-citizens, or at least some of them, were deported under the Alien Enemies Act? Why does it seem like you’re dodging a simple, straightforward question. I really am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Swordsmyth]

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They were British troops (and indigenous Indian Allies) in full military regalia, uniforms, muskets, bayonets, cannon, the works, engaged in military operations in response to a prior US invasion of Canada. This was going on within the context of a constitutionally legitimate, congressionally declared war.

But all of that is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. This thread is about invoking the Alien Enemies Act against people who are not engaged in any of the above.

Now, during the War of 1812 there definitely were British subjects, from Canada, from Great Britain etc here in the US. There were also non-citizens from various other European countries as well as possibly some from south of the border. SOME of these individuals were no doubt engaging in speech and other activities that opposed, even denounced America’s involvement in the war. Hell, the damn Federalists were adamantly opposed to it. Under your own definition, these non-citizens absolutely were “lending aid and comfort” to the enemy.

So I ask you again, are you claiming that these non-citizens, or at least some of them, were deported under the Alien Enemies Act? Why does it seem like you’re dodging a simple, straightforward question. I really am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

The Alien Enemies being removed are armed and violent invaders with hostile state backing.
That's close enough to the Canadians in 1812, but it doesn't even have to be that close:

Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated... against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government...who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies...

Foreign barbarians invading or merely making a predatory incursion is all that is required, with or without a government behind it. (it says nation OR government, not AND)
No declared war is required, and all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation can be removed, not just the violent invaders.

You trying to argue technicalities doesn't help you, you lose on the technicalities and on the practicalities, the AEA covers the technicalities and the practicalities are that for all of human existence what is happening would be recognized as an invasion and be dealt with as one, the creation of modern ideas of the official state and military doesn't change anything and the AEA is written to make sure the law doesn't act like it does.

 

[unknown]

Visa Requirements - Citizens and Permanent Residents of Canada​

Citizens of Canada traveling to the United States do not require a nonimmigrant visa, except for the travel purposes described below. Canadian citizens who are inadmissible to the United States under United States immigration law or have previously violated the terms of their immigration status in the United States can Learn More about ineligibilities related to Canadians on the CBP website. Canadian citizens with ineligibilities can also apply for a visa at the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate if it is more convenient for them.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/citizens-of-canada-and-bermuda.html

Citizens of Canada and Bermuda

travel.state.gov

She was no longer eligible for the Visa waiver because her last Visa was revoked:

After a long interrogation, the officer told me it seemed “shady” and that my visa hadn’t been properly processed. He claimed I also couldn’t work for a company in the US that made use of hemp – one of the beverage ingredients. He revoked my visa

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

I’m the Canadian who was detained by Ice for two weeks. It felt like I had been kidnapped

I was stuck in a freezing cell without explanation despite eventually having lawyers and media attention. Yet, compared with others, I was lucky

www.theguardian.com

And she wasn't in Mexico, she went from Canada to San Diego:

I stayed in Canada for the next few months, and was eventually offered a similar position with a different health and wellness brand.

I restarted the visa process and returned to the same immigration office at the San Diego border.


She knew she had to get a Visa, but she entered the country without one and tried to scam her way into getting one easier by acting as if she was renewing one she had instead of applying for a new one.

She didn't need to apply for anything if she simply wanted to visit the US.

She was previously granted a work visa.

When she went to renew, she was denied.

She went to Canada.

She then returned to the same office to reapply for a work visa.

She was following the same procedure as before and had no reason to think that she would be subject to being kidnapped, even if her WORK visa was denied...