Trump’s Counterterrorism “Czar” Says “You’re With Us or You’re With the Terrorists”

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Article 3, Section 3​


  1. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
 
Swordsmyth said:
There is no BoR right to treason.
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They probably should have hung Madison then. And Jefferson. And Taylor. Hell, even Washington, since they all, and many others, are on record as supporting the propositions that all rights protected by the constitution and BoR apply to everyone, citizen and immigrant alike. That includes, according to those worthies, due process, REAL due process, BEFORE any action is taken against them, including deportation. Now you can reply with one of your typical "globalist propaganda" non-arguments and we can all fell like everything's right with the world.

The abject ignorance of the constitution by so many here who claim to revere it is really quite remarkable.
 
Swordsmyth said:
adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
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The only way free speech and debate gives aid and comfort to someone's enemies is if someone is wrong and his enemies are right.

Free speech, even when critical, especially when critical, makes a republic better. And that's why people who restrict it are that republic's real enemies.
 
CCTelander said:
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They probably should have hung Madison then. And Jefferson. And Taylor. Hell, even Washington, since they all, and many others, are on record as supporting the propositions that all rights protected by the constitution and BoR apply to everyone, citizen and immigrant alike. That includes, according to those worthies, due process, REAL due process, BEFORE any action is taken against them, including deportation. Now you can reply with one of your typical "globalist propaganda" non-arguments and we can all fell like everything's right with the world.

The abject ignorance of the constitution by so many here who claim to revere it is really quite remarkable.
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> citizen and immigrant alike

Notice that doesn't include invaders.
But you leftists always wanted to pretend they were immigrants.
 
acptulsa said:
The only way free speech and debate gives aid and comfort to someone's enemies is if someone is wrong and his enemies are right.

Free speech, even when critical, especially when critical, makes a republic better. And that's why people who restrict it are that republic's real enemies.
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This isn't about free speech and debate, this is about foreign invaders, criminal, and terrorists.
And since you are trying to drag in the foreign enemies who are being deported after legally coming here, they don't have a right to be here, they can speak elsewhere, and in this day and age they can even easily be heard across the internet.
 
Swordsmyth said:
> citizen and immigrant alike

Notice that doesn't include invaders.
But you leftists always wanted to pretend they were immigrants.
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Actually, they dealt with that too. and it didn't bear even the slightest resemblance to the crap you've been advocating. Unlike yourself, they had very clear ground rules for dealing with such situations, and simply labelling the current "immigrants" as "invaders doesn't rise to the constitutional standards they set forth.

And just for the record, I don't for one second deny that there is a real issue to be dealt with regarding what Biden did with importing large numbers of people from unfriendly areas of the globe. I'm just not ever going to assent to dealing with it in any way that violates the fundamental rights of ANYONE. I don't defend these people's right to real due process for their sake. I do it for MY sake, and for the sake of every other liberty loving individual.

But then, I'd throw the ring into the fires of Mount Doom.

You'd put it on and use it.
 
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CCTelander said:
Actually, they dealt with that too. and it didn't bear even the slightest resemblance to the crap you've been advocating. Unlike yourself, they had very clear ground rules for dealing with such situations, and simply labelling the current "immigrants" as "invaders doesn't rise to the constitutional standards they set forth.

And just for the record, I don't for one second deny that there is a real issue to be dealt with regarding what Biden did with importing large numbers of people from unfriendly areas of the globe. I'm just not ever going to assent to dealing with it in any way that violates the fundamental rights of ANYONE. I don't defend these people's right to real due process for their sake. I do it for MY sake, and for the sake of every other liberty loving individual.

But then, I'd throw the ring into the fires of Mount Doom.

You'd put it on and use it.
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Bunk.
They had the Alien Enemies Act.

You violate my fundamental rights by interfering in the legitimate process of removing the tens of millions of invaders.

I am glad you have fully embraced showing off your leftism by insisting they are "immigrants".
 
Swordsmyth said:
Bunk.
They had the Alien Enemies Act.
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Indeed they did have the Alien Enemies act. But the criterion for designating someone as an "alien enemy" was not the mere word of some federal functionary.

Swordsmyth said:
You violate my fundamental rights by interfering in the legitimate process of removing the tens of millions of invaders.
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I do nothing of the kind. It doesn't violate your rights in the slightest to demand the individuals against whom you wish to direct the full force of the federal government be afforded at least the real due process they are entitled to, to ensure that they really are the threat that they are claimed to be, and to ensure that some federal asshole later on down the line can't use this tactic to simply declare someone a non-citizen and then deprive them of their rights at will.

Surely you can't be so obtuse as to not see the danger here?
Swordsmyth said:
I am glad you have fully embraced showing off your leftism by insisting they are "immigrants".
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I'm glad you continue to lie about virtually everyone who disagrees with you. It makes it easy for anyone who might be reasonable, or be struck with a sudden bout of reason where they had been temporarily without, to see what you really are.

And, apparently, you missed the scare quotes around the term "immigrant." Probably just ignored them actually. I just use it for lack of a better term anyway. You can't very well call someone who was invited in, transported here by those who invited them, and then left to their own devices an "invader." More like a pawn. But that doesn't fit you agenda so...
 
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CCTelander said:
Indeed they did have the Alien Enemies act. but the criterion for designating someone as an "alien enemy" was not the mere word of some federal functionary.

I do nothing of the kind. It doesn't violate your rights in the slightest to demand the individuals against whom you wish to direct the full force of the federal government against be afforded at lease the real due process they are entitled to, to ensure that they really are the threat that they are claimed to be, and to ensure that some federal asshole later on down the line can't use this tactic to simply declare someone a non-citizen and then deprive them of their rights at will.

you can't very well call someone who was invited in, transported here by those who invited them, and then left to their own devices an "invader." More like a pawn. But that doesn't fit you agenda so...
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The proper solution would have been to stop the funding, end the free magnets, and then deal with the situation in the most liberty-orientated way, and in time things would go back to normal.

Instead, the left hand feeds the right, and they never let a crisis go to waste, thereby implementing more and costly police-state "solutions" to line the pockets of the Bankers and the Technocratic Surveillance State.
 
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PAF said:
The proper solution would have been to stop the funding, end the free magnets, and then deal with the situation in the most liberty-orientated way, and in time things would go back to normal.

Instead, the left hand feeds the right, and they never let a crisis go to waste, thereby implementing more and costly police-state "solutions" to line the pockets of the Bankers and the Technocratic Surveillance State.
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It could still be dealt with in a liberty-oriented way. But people like Swordy will never even consider those options. Hell, they won't even abide by the relatively minor constraints imposed upon their desired actions buy the actual constitution they claim to revere. But whatever.
 
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CCTelander said:
Indeed they did have the Alien Enemies act. But the criterion for designating someone as an "alien enemy" was not the mere word of some federal functionary.



I do nothing of the kind. It doesn't violate your rights in the slightest to demand the individuals against whom you wish to direct the full force of the federal government be afforded at least the real due process they are entitled to, to ensure that they really are the threat that they are claimed to be, and to ensure that some federal asshole later on down the line can't use this tactic to simply declare someone a non-citizen and then deprive them of their rights at will.

Surely you can't be so obtuse as to not see the danger here?

I'm glad you continue to lie about virtually everyone who disagrees with you. It makes it easy for anyone who might be reasonable, or be struck with a sudden bout of reason where they had been temporarily without, to see what you really are.

And, apparently, you missed the scare quotes around the term "immigrant." Probably just ignored them actually. I just use it for lack of a better term anyway. You can't very well call someone who was invited in, transported here by those who invited them, and then left to their own devices an "invader." More like a pawn. But that doesn't fit you agenda so...
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You're the one in this case who doesn't get it. Foreigners granted the privelege of residency in the U.S. are granted it at the discretion of the Executive Office. If that discretion changes, the privelege can be rescinded. That is all. The Constitutional authority is so granted, so if you're a Constitutionalist, you should be defending the powers of the Executive Branch in this case. This is why, as many Republicans/Democrats were opposed to the Alien Sedition Acts, and these were the Founders themselves involved, they objected only against the manner in which the Executive authority was employed by the Federalists, NOT the authority itself. They did not take it to the courts. That is because they, who wrote the Constitution itself, did NOT convey citizenship rights to foreigners living here, but only citizens. As a matter of fact, one could not even be granted citizenship without residing here for 14, then lowered to 5 consecutive years.
 
Bush 2 vibes.

You're either with the unPatriot Act and the Military Industrial Complex or you're against us.
 
If a Judge orders due process, try him for treason.

- Trump Terror Czar with a Foreign Accent.
 
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All of a sudden, the open border, pro crime, anti 2A, pro abortion, BIG Gov Dems are starting to look like the good guys...
 
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