Trumpers, Can you list any principles other than 'owning the libs'?

Studies show that the right understands the left, but the left is incapable of understanding the right.
Ahww... studies?!?
Is the BS I can watch on Fox or Infowars, now called "studies"?!?

In reality both the right understands the (evil of the) left, and the left understands the (evil of the) right.
Where they go wrong is in believing that the colour of politrics they're cheering for is "good"...
 
In reality both the right understands the (evil of the) left, and the left understands the (evil of the) right.
Where they go wrong is in believing that the colour of politrics they're cheering for is "good"...

He's beyond that. He's now arguing that good or bad doesn't matter, only anti-Democrat matters.
 
Ive never canged. I support any good I see. I expect to see good from Massie , Rand and some even from Pres Trump. I already know none will come from dems . I also keep expectations low and personally prepare for end of American economics as currently is because it does appear to be doomed.

/thread.
 
Well, I'd rather risk being conquered, than guarantee being a slave.

Beg pardon?

Being conquered and being enslaved are the same thing. Are you trying to say you'd rather be conquered by a foreign enemy than our own domestic enemy? Or vice versa? What?
 
Beg pardon?

Being conquered and being enslaved are the same thing. Are you trying to say you'd rather be conquered by a foreign enemy than our own domestic enemy? Or vice versa? What?

You said division implied a risk of being conquered. I took that to mean by a foreign enemy.

And I'm saying unity implies a risk of being conquered by domestic enemies.

And historically, being conquered by a domestic enemy has been far more common.

Unity is by several orders of magnitude more destructive to liberty, than division ever has been.

This is evident throughout history, and certainly evident today.
 
If you were to put the amount of liberty that has been destroyed by being conquered by a foreign enemy, and compare that to the liberty that has been destroyed by one's own countrymen, the former wouldn't even be a drop of water in the ocean of destruction caused by unity.
 
And I'm saying unity implies a risk of being conquered by domestic enemies.

And historically, being conquered by a domestic enemy has been far more common.

I'd argue that history also shows that a divided people are far more at risk of being conquered than a united people. The only ones who seem to escape being conquered and brought to heel by a tyrannical majority or "majority" are the ones who leave. And they convert one divided population into two more stable united populations.

Maybe we're using different semantics to try to say the same thing. You weren't thinking of domestic conquerors as conquerors. Are you not thinking of populations which have seceded as separate populations?
 
I'd argue that history also shows that a divided people are far more at risk of being conquered than a united people.

That's fairly indisputable, yea. I'm just saying the threat to liberty is much (much!) greater from internal forces, than foreign enemies.

The only ones who seem to escape being conquered and brought to heel by a tyrannical majority or "majority" are the ones who leave. And they convert one divided population into two more stable united populations.

Correct.

Maybe we're using different semantics to try to say the same thing. You weren't thinking of domestic conquerors as conquerors.

No, I was certainly viewing domestic conquerors as conquerors. That's the threat that unity brings. Unity has an overwhelmingly strong tendency to threaten force against people who would prefer to leave, and unity likewise, gives them the military strength to make you stay.

Are you not thinking of populations which have seceded as separate populations?

They are indeed separate populations.

I'm not sure what exactly got lost in translation, but my point is that, your liberty is at infinitely more danger from your own countrymen than from foreign actors. The United States is a perfect example of this. I'm not even referring specifically to the civil war, although that is a fairly obvious example. I'm moreso referring to the more dull mundane everyday tyranny that is forced upon us on a daily basis by our own government. The root cause of that tyranny is very clearly identified as unity, in all its forms, civil war included.*

Pretty much every country in the world, currently, is enslaved by their own countrymen. Foreign invasion could even be argued to increase liberty, given the current status quo...

(*Civil war is caused by unity, not division!)
 
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