Trump wants to end Daylight Savings Time

Should Daylight Savings Time (DST) be ended?


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Because if you're doing it for half the year you're still "anchored" to standard time.

That doesn't explain anything.

If you're doing it for half the year, then you are "unanchored" from the "24-hour global time zone logic" for half the year.

If that is not objectionable or problematic for half the year, then why should it be objectionable or problematic for the whole year?
 
That doesn't explain anything.

If you're doing it for half the year, then you are "unanchored" from the "24-hour global time zone logic" for half the year.

If that is not objectionable or problematic for half the year, then why should it be objectionable or problematic for the whole year?

I'm trying to think of a good analogy but I can't just now (I need more time, ha ha). If you're on standard for half the year then you're on standard time but you just deviate temporarily. If you change to another time it's just random, it could be any time because there's no base to return to.

Also by its nature if you're on standard/dst there's no reason to "drift" to another time zone since it's already optimized to the daylight hours. DST full time is not optimized to the daylight so people's schedule's will shift later over time. And then if you want "extra" daylight hours after work you'll need to shift another hour or "Double DST" and so on.

So imagine you're working with global time data. The worst case scenario with standard/dst is that some times zones are 1 hour ahead. The worst case scenario with full time dst is that every time zone could literally be any value because in that case the time is not anchored to standard and can drift.

Question for you. Would you see any problem with shifting the time 5 hours ahead?
 
I don't care one way or the other, but it would be nice if they stopped screwing around with the clocks twice a year.
 
LOL. Hold on, not sure if serious...



LOL again. But this time pretty sure serious.

If we were still using sun dials, then yes.. there would be a direct connection, but also the time would change every single day. And it's true there is a loose connection, seeing that we split up the year into 365 days (despite 366 days every four years) based on our solar revolution and then split up those days into time units and each day the sun comes up and goes down.. but the sun doesn't come up at the same time every day, so there isn't a direct connection between the sun and the time like if we were using sun dials.
 
If we were still using sun dials, then yes.. there would be a direct connection, but also the time would change every single day. ...

And in terms of duration of use, sundials (and variants of sun tracking) have been the norm for humans for far, far longer than today's clocks (from the first mechanical clocks).

Now let me blow your mind...

"the time would change every single day". What a system that would be. A change so gradual, no one would realize it. That was made impossible by the implementation of artificial mechanical clocks. But now that we have electronic clocks, those could be manufactured and programmed for a gradual, daily slippage of time. The error of rigid mechanical time keeping could be corrected.
 
"the time would change every single day". What a system that would be. A change so gradual, no one would realize it. That was made impossible by the implementation of artificial mechanical clocks. But now that we have electronic clocks, those could be manufactured and programmed for a gradual, daily slippage of time. The error of rigid mechanical time keeping could be corrected.

Thank the railroads and the Royal Navy for that.
 
And in terms of duration of use, sundials (and variants of sun tracking) have been the norm for humans for far, far longer than today's clocks (from the first mechanical clocks).

Now let me blow your mind...

"the time would change every single day". What a system that would be. A change so gradual, no one would realize it. That was made impossible by the implementation of artificial mechanical clocks. But now that we have electronic clocks, those could be manufactured and programmed for a gradual, daily slippage of time. The error of rigid mechanical time keeping could be corrected.

I know my posts can be really long sometimes, but I wrote a paragraph or two about that earlier in the thread.

The problem is that not all clocks are hooked up to the internet or satellites yet, all those clocks would be completely worthless overnight. Another thing that would be worthless overnight are Rolexes.

There is no perfect solution at the moment. My main point is that anything you do, besides what we are currently doing, is going to piss way more people off way more than if you do nothing.. which does piss some people off, but these people are not good at optimization or thinking things completely through.

If you do Standard time all year, a whole bunch of people are going to be pissed they can't do outdoor stuff until 8 pm or so in the summer anymore. Way more people, and way more pissed than changing time makes people.

If you do DST all year, you piss a lot of people off who have work at 8am in the winter and the sun hasn't even come up yet. And if you change the work schedules throughout the year to start later in the winter, that is way more inconvenient and a bigger hassle, again it's going to piss people off more than changing their clock.

If you go to the computerized, gradual solution you piss a bunch of people off who have clocks or watches that don't work that way. They will setup a meeting with somebody and have to ask them which kind of clock they use, figure out the time difference, what a freaking pain.

The problem is everybody says they want to get rid of "daylight savings time" which colloquially refers to not changing the clocks twice a year. Half of them mean they want DST to be permanent, the other half want standard to be permanent, but nobody ever goes that far in the argument.. because if they did it would start an even bigger fight than the fight over changing time, and nobody would be talking about this anymore.

Look, I'm not a big fan of the government. But in this case, they've already optimized time. Nobody has a better solution. Nobody has presented one in this thread, I haven't heard one. If you do make a change, you might have to update software, hardware, firmware, all kinds of stuff, so you better have a really good reason if you are doing it, and pretty much everybody needs to agree.

And to all the people out there saying they don't want to follow government time?

Go for it. Change your watch and your clocks to a different time. Any time you want. There is no law against it. Tell everybody you know to the put it on whatever time you want, I promise you won't be arrested.
 
If we were still using sun dials, then yes.. there would be a direct connection, but also the time would change every single day. And it's true there is a loose connection, seeing that we split up the year into 365 days (despite 366 days every four years) based on our solar revolution and then split up those days into time units and each day the sun comes up and goes down.. but the sun doesn't come up at the same time every day, so there isn't a direct connection between the sun and the time like if we were using sun dials.

Yes, there is a direct connection between the sun and time. Noon in each time zone is defined as when the sun is directly overhead. There's 24 time zones and the starting time zone is greenwich england.

For the people that think switching to DST permanently is a great idea I have a question. How about if we switch all 24 time zones over to DST? Then we could move mean time from greenwich over to ireland and everybody on earth would get an hour more of daylight. Wouldn't that be great?
 
FTR: I don't really care - never DST ... sometimes DST ... always DST ... whatever ...

Right? Of the things that government may or may not do, this is very close to the bottom of my concerns.

Nobody has to force anybody to do anything.

All you have to do is announce it on the news and everybody just does it.

Just know that there will be significant costs with any changes. In today's world, every system that logs data has to account for the time changes since you have one day that has 25 hours and one that has 23 and those affect the dates on which those hours will fall. Every time-based system will need to be re-programmed and tested. It's a one-time thing and can be done (it would have been simpler if DST was never put in place in the first place), but there will be costs and there will be failures that slip through.
 
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