Trump Wants Revenge — That’s Why He’s the Man for 2024

[Occam's Banana]

On their own they are both.
Only by helping to defeat the fraud can they avoid it.
Without the fraud they would be both.

If the are irrelevant and impotent, then they cannot help defeat the fraud.

If they can help defeat the fraud, then they cannot be irrelevant and impotent.

You do not get to have it both ways. The Law of Non-Contradiction is a thing.

 

[Invisible Man]

Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
Trump connected with people better than Ron.

Trump connected with people better than Ron because more people wanted what Trump was offering than what Ron Paul was.

Ron Paul didn't want to hand out more freebies to people and corporations, didn't want to run people's lives, and didn't want to run the economy. Trump did want to do all those things and made a big point about promising to, and the voting public liked that about him.

 

[acptulsa]

Trump connected with people better than Ron because more people wanted what Trump was offering than what Ron Paul was.

I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.

 

[Invisible Man]

I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.

The relationship between what the public wants and what the media tells the public they want is always a chicken and egg problem.

 

[PAF]

The relationship between what the public wants and what the media tells the public they want is always a chicken and egg problem.

Proving how many do not stand on principle.

 

[Ender]

I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.

Exactly.

Trump got 24/7 coverage (still does).

Ron was "disappeared" by the MSM- they acted like he never existed.

 

[vita3]

Trumps drama is fantastic for media’s business

But Poison for us, it’s viewers

We are F*d

 

[devil21]

Exactly.

Trump got 24/7 coverage (still does).

Ron was "disappeared" by the MSM- they acted like he never existed.

Ron's treatment by the media, compared to say, a Donald Trump, was a political decoder ring for many of us and can never be unseen. There is no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood nor in Hollywood East, aka DC.

 

[nobody's_hero]

There's a video out there where it outlines all of the corruption at the state levels and media. But here's what many of us dealt with at RNC Tampa:

Oh, and by the way, you are a shill.

Boehner also removed people who opposed him from influential committees. A few you wouldn't see eye to eye with, but reasonable allies against turds like John Boehner. Tim Huelskamp and Justin Amash were among the victims of his purge.

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/right-ballistic-over-john-boehner-purge-084612

But if you intend on holding your grudge forever, you're going to miss the forest for the trees.

EDIT: Actually it's not so much that you hold a grudge. I too detest Boehner and would like to see many more neocons held to account for how they treated Ron Paul. It's just that you're a little much too broad-sweeping with it.

 

[vita3]

Hollywood East

Good, true term

Make the show stop & God help us

 

[Ender]

Ron's treatment by the media, compared to say, a Donald Trump, was a political decoder ring for many of us and can never be unseen. There is no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood nor in Hollywood East, aka DC.

Yep.

I was saying that way back in 2015 when it was obvious that Trump was getting all the PR from MSM while Rand was thrown under the bus.

Got called all kinds of names for pointing out that there is no "bad publicity".

 

[PAF]

But if you intend on holding your grudge forever, you're going to miss the forest for the trees.

EDIT: Actually it's not so much that you hold a grudge. I too detest Boehner and would like to see many more neocons held to account for how they treated Ron Paul. It's just that you're a little much too broad-sweeping with it.

I take it you weren't present during all of the corruption.

Grudge, perhaps, but more importantly, I don't forget, and I learn from the past. Further, Committees today are no different than they were in 2012, when they chanted Romney USA USA, and Trump MAGA today. In fact, it's worse, because nowadays any mention of budgets and deficits is deer in headlights, TSA is accepted and the norm, and the call for more police to enforce unjust laws is more prevalent among so-called "conservatives" than I can ever remember.

Forest for the trees?

 

[nobody's_hero]

I take it you weren't present during all of the corruption.

Grudge, perhaps, but more importantly, I don't forget, and I learn from the past. Further, Committees today are no different than they were in 2012, when they chanted Romney USA USA, and Trump MAGA today. In fact, it's worse, because nowadays any mention of budgets and deficits is deer in headlights, TSA is accepted and the norm, and the call for more police to enforce unjust laws is more prevalent among so-called "conservatives" than I can ever remember.

Forest for the trees?

So then, who forced Boehner out? It wasn't a bunch of agorists who have given up on the system, I can tell you that. I'll work with anyone to get these establishment jokers out because until they're gone, NO ONE, especially no one liberty-oriented, is going to be able to take their place.

 

[PAF]

So then, who forced Boehner out? It wasn't a bunch of agorists who have given up on the system, I can tell you that. I'll work with anyone to get these establishment jokers out because until they're gone, NO ONE, especially no one liberty-oriented, is going to be able to take their place.

lol you have a lot to learn about Agorists.

Back in the day I like to think that I had a lot, or at least some, to do with getting him out. I and others in my circle did a tremendous amount of activism over in Ohio, we blanketed everywhere we could to get the truth out about Boehner. The problem was, when he got ousted as speaker, they put Paul Ryan into that position.

You are absolutely right - no one liberty-oriented will take their place, because you and most others have that attitude and prevents it from happening. I see that at every single committee meeting I attend, so it’s nothing new to me.

 

[nobody's_hero]

lol you have a lot to learn about Agorists.

Back in the day I like to think that I had a lot, or at least some, to do with getting him out. I and others in my circle did a tremendous amount of activism over in Ohio, we blanketed everywhere we could to get the truth out about Boehner. The problem was, when he got ousted as speaker, they put Paul Ryan into that position.

You are absolutely right - no one liberty-oriented will take their place, because you and most others have that attitude and prevents it from happening. I see that at every single committee meeting I attend, so it’s nothing new to me.

Do you ever start out by trying to find common ground at these committee meetings or do you just go for the biggest hot-button issue you can think of and then throw your hands up when you can't seem to get anywhere? Because, my experience is different, but I'm guessing I'm a bit more tactful.

For example I'll start out by saying that medical procedures are the sole and final decision of patients. I get republicans who have, and have not, been vaccinated in agreement. Something like that, as opposed to, 'well your candidate sucks because . . . '

 

[PAF]

Do you ever start out by trying to find common ground at these committee meetings or do you just go for the biggest hot-button issue you can think of and then throw your hands up when you can't seem to get anywhere? Because, my experience is different, but I'm guessing I'm a bit more tactful.

lol you are certainly a hoot, nobody's_hero lol

Suit and tie, we all know each other personally, we can shoot the shit over any topic and get along and laugh. When it comes to politics, they are die-hard neocons, and truly believe liberty, Ron Paul, any sense of individualism and personal responsibility, etc. is an “extremist nut job” philosophy. They are thrilled to have leaders and hierarchy, at the expense of liberty and freedom.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Say what you want about Ron Paul, but he won his supporters with reason and a proven record of integrity. Trump was given his followers by the idiot tube, and has all the integrity of a sand castle just before high-tide.

There are so many better political leaders.

I just don't think the person who shut down the world by using a cold and turning it into a fraudulent pandemic with 'the words just two weeks to flatten the curve, deserves to be anywhere close to being president. He came closer than any other president in destroying America and the free west just with that one unconstitutional and illegal act.

 

[CCTelander]

Any strategy that relies upon removing the "bad guys" from positions of power and replacing them with good guys" is doomed to failure before it's even begun. That's not how real liberty works.

Want to be free? We already have the strength. We have the numbers. What we lack, apparently, to our everlasting shame, is the will. Until we manage to manifest that will, we'll be slaves.

 

[PAF]

Any strategy that relies upon removing the "bad guys" from positions of power and replacing them with good guys" is doomed to failure before it's even begun. That's not how real liberty works.

Want to be free? We already have the strength. We have the numbers. What we lack, apparently, to our everlasting shame, is the will. Until we manage to manifest that will, we'll be slaves.

^^^ This times a thousand ^^^

 

[nobody's_hero]

lol you are certainly a hoot, nobody's_hero lol

Suit and tie, we all know each other personally, we can shoot the $#@! over any topic and get along and laugh. When it comes to politics, they are die-hard neocons, and truly believe liberty, Ron Paul, any sense of individualism and personal responsibility, etc. is an “extremist nut job” philosophy. They are thrilled to have leaders and hierarchy, at the expense of liberty and freedom.

All I can say man is that I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Which says a lot since I live in GA and if anyone has any reason to complain about country-club republicans, it's Georgians. But today there's a real fight against the establishment that just didn't exist outside of Ron Paul circles in 2012. Maybe it just isn't happening in Ohio.