Trump Wants Revenge — That’s Why He’s the Man for 2024

This is bigger than Trump, but it is his persecutions that people need to witness to wake them out of their slumber.

Who are you talking about, donnay? I know you aren't talking about your Lord and Savior, but I've never seen you talk about anyone else that way.

You're taking it on faith Trump is suffering, no whip lashing out thirty-nine times, no thorns, no spear, no nails, but you're talking about a guy who endured one polite daylight search as if He Endured the Passion for us poor sinners.
 
And that is why the trolls here have gone into overdrive.

Clearly the media wants to declare that the age of Trump is over. I can understand why they want that. They are wrong and what has been ignited will burn even if Trump died to day. They woke up 10s of millions of voters, far beyond what we did with the Ron Paul campaigns. I like to think that the work we did from 2007-2012 laid the groundwork for all of this.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Cleaner44 again.

Not to mention this corruption didn't happen over night, it happened while we were sleeping. The things that are happening to Trump are what they will do to all of us, if we do not take a stand right here and right now.

Thank you mam. When Trump says they aren't going after him, they are going after us, that rings true for many millions of voters. We are about to feel it even more with the new bigger bolder IRS. I am hoping that enough anti-establishment Republicans can get into Congress to actually make a difference. It certainly is an uphill battle and the GOP will be throwing up roadblocks.


Yeah, because Trump Endorsements are the Only Variable.

I certainly am not claiming that, but get real, the Republican establishment is working hard with Democrats to stop any and all Trump endorsed candidates. I see this as a war between Republican voters and establishment Republican politicians. It is a continuation of the war we started in 2007. Some of these new Trump endorsed candidates are libertarianish (see Blake Masters) and some are not, but the fight is what is important to me. The anti-establishment Trump candidates are winning the primary war by a large margin. I see this as a good thing. It seems like you don't, which I find odd.

We wish. We don't get nice, polite daytime search warrants, hold the battering ram and the grenades, please.

A great many voters are ready to try anything that hasn't already been tried and failed. So what are they being offered? Trump's acting really pissed now!

Kiss the country goodbye. Saying, "I just couldn't stand to admit I was wrong about that spoiled New York Democrat" is more important to people than saving it is.



Something--anything--other than a plan which has been proven to fail.

Your TDS regarding the spoiled New York Democrat is blinding you to the opportunity. You seem to be so focused on bitching about him that you can't see the good coming out of his presence.

I don't know that there is some grand plan that has failed. I see 10s of millions of people getting pissed at the federal government finally and that is HUGE. In 2007 our warnings largely fell on deaf ears. A large amount of Republican voters now know not to trust FOX News. They now know that Mitch McConnell is not to be trusted.

The first step to recovery is admitting and acknowledging that there is a problem. In 2007 we didn't have many Republican voters agreeing with us that there was a major problem. That has changed dramatically now in my opinion. These people are our allies and we libertarians can't fix any of this crap without their help. Your continued crapping on Trump and his supporters is counter-productive. What is productive is building bridges and insisting the GOP gets back to its roots of a small, limited government, libertarian based party.

America First is a war of conservatives vs globalists. For me, choosing sides is an easy decision.

Look past the forest... see the trees.

Even if you don't, this is happening.
 
Your TDS regarding the spoiled New York Democrat is blinding you to the opportunity.

No, it isn't. Your sole problem with me is that I refuse to let you lie about me, which you have repeatedly tried to do. I see the opportunity. I just believe supporting Trump makes it an opportunity for Trump, not me.

The opportunity is there and DonnieJohnnie Trump is simply not the only person on the face of the earth who can seize it.
 
No, it isn't. Your sole problem with me is that I refuse to let you lie about me, which you have repeatedly tried to do. I see the opportunity. I just believe supporting Trump makes it an opportunity for Trump, not me.

The opportunity is there and DonnieJohnnie Trump is simply not the only person on the face of the earth who can seize it.

I am not lying about you at all, just observing you cry and whine about who gets credit for the current state of politics.

I don't give a crap if you support Trump or any other America First type candidates. If Massie decides to run for president we will both support him. Meanwhile I am happy to support the people that are running and fighting the DC Machine. You do you.
 
I will. I'll do all the things you say you're doing, and seem to think you're doing, when you promote Trump.

Cool. Please let us know how successful your movement is and when you need help.

P.S.
I am not promoting Trump, I am promoting the America First movement. It really looks to me like the best opportunity to further the mission to:
  • Secure individual liberty
  • Seek justice
  • Promote honest and free markets
 
Cool. Please let us know how successful your movement is and when you need help.

P.S.
I am not promoting Trump, I am promoting the America First movement. It really looks to me like the best opportunity to further the mission to:
  • Secure individual liberty
  • Seek justice
  • Promote honest and free markets

It's a given that Trump was better than any democrat. What bothered me was when Trump supporters here were actually arguing that the things Trump was doing were increasing liberty!

A couple of examples were the massive spending programs and the targeted tariffs. I get that Trump is better than Biden but don't tell me making government bigger and targeted tariffs is actually INCREASING our liberty. The correct response would've been yeah, it sucks but it would've been worse if it was a democrat.
 
It's a given that Trump was better than any democrat. What bothered me was when Trump supporters here were actually arguing that the things Trump was doing were increasing liberty!

A couple of examples were the massive spending programs and the targeted tariffs. I get that Trump is better than Biden but don't tell me making government bigger and targeted tariffs is actually INCREASING our liberty. The correct response would've been yeah, it sucks but it would've been worse if it was a democrat.
I don't think anyone else would have brought the fake news, or the lame GOP, or the Deep State, to the forefront like Trump did.
 
I don't think anyone else would have brought the fake news, or the lame GOP, or the Deep State, to the forefront like Trump did.

I posted probably a dozen times here that I wanted Biden to win so that the coming inflationary depression would get blamed on democrats and socialism. I don't think anybody else here saw it coming. If Trump had won the media would be blaming the economic collapse on Trump and "capitalism". The problem being that Trump was more of a socialist than a capitalist which is why I knew we were headed for this crisis.
 
I certainly am not claiming that, but get real, the Republican establishment is working hard with Democrats to stop any and all Trump endorsed candidates. I see this as a war between Republican voters and establishment Republican politicians. It is a continuation of the war we started in 2007. Some of these new Trump endorsed candidates are libertarianish (see Blake Masters) and some are not, but the fight is what is important to me. The anti-establishment Trump candidates are winning the primary war by a large margin. I see this as a good thing. It seems like you don't, which I find odd.

To me the media machine is still the biggest threat we face. Until that gets weakened back to 2016 credibility-levels, nothing else can fill the void.

Whether Trump comes back for another four, or if he's gone for good, we still have to contend with that, and I've had a bone to pick with them since 2008. If I have to use Trump (or anyone else who is willing) to beat them over the head, I'm not above doing that.
 
I posted probably a dozen times here that I wanted Biden to win so that the coming inflationary depression would get blamed on democrats and socialism. I don't think anybody else here saw it coming. If Trump had won the media would be blaming the economic collapse on Trump and "capitalism". The problem being that Trump was more of a socialist than a capitalist which is why I knew we were headed for this crisis.
Things might have turned out differently under a Trump administration. We were producing and exporting oil. Manufacturing seemed to entertain coming back. My guess is supply chain issues wouldn't have been too big a deal. Fertilizer would be available. Russia maybe not but would have been different. Inflation under Biden is double edged sword with Trump it would have been only from interjecting cash not all the aforementioned.
 
To me the media machine is still the biggest threat we face. Until that gets weakened back to 2016 credibility-levels, nothing else can fill the void.

Whether Trump comes back for another four, or if he's gone for good, we still have to contend with that, and I've had a bone to pick with them since 2008. If I have to use Trump (or anyone else who is willing) to beat them over the head, I'm not above doing that.

Can't believe the media. People on the wrong side of an issue get prosecuted for trivial things while other crazy radicals, IMHO, are praised as being progressive saints.
 
Oh, yeah. We did that in spades since 2008. There was no putting that genie back in the bottle.
Not to be argumentative but I think not. The only people that noticed that was the Ron Paul base. Maybe get a segment on Jon Stewart once in a while. I think the Genie was still in the bottle and hid away in safe keeping before Trump. That is my opinion.
 
It's a given that Trump was better than any democrat. What bothered me was when Trump supporters here were actually arguing that the things Trump was doing were increasing liberty!

A couple of examples were the massive spending programs and the targeted tariffs. I get that Trump is better than Biden but don't tell me making government bigger and targeted tariffs is actually INCREASING our liberty. The correct response would've been yeah, it sucks but it would've been worse if it was a democrat.

I see Trump as a guy that is fine with BIG GOVT because he learned long ago to work within it. Who knows if the guy has ever even read the Constitution?

With that said he seems to recognize some of the dangers of a large federal government. With the big spending maybe he would argue it was an investment that would have paid off in a 2nd term and allowed for a reduction in spending... then again maybe he doesn't give a crap.

I think the Trump presidency had more positives than negatives. Tariffs certainly have negatives but one could argue that there were positive benefits as well. I wouldn't pretend to be an expert on that.


To me the media machine is still the biggest threat we face. Until that gets weakened back to 2016 credibility-levels, nothing else can fill the void.

Whether Trump comes back for another four, or if he's gone for good, we still have to contend with that, and I've had a bone to pick with them since 2008. If I have to use Trump (or anyone else who is willing) to beat them over the head, I'm not above doing that.

I agree, the media and Marxism. I think one huge benefit to the Trump presidency was the mass of voters now understanding that the major media corporations are propaganda machines engaged in News Craft®. Fake News is now embeded as a reality.

The bone to pick is with who? The GOP?
 
I see Trump as a guy that is fine with BIG GOVT because he learned long ago to work within it. Who knows if the guy has ever even read the Constitution?

With that said he seems to recognize some of the dangers of a large federal government. With the big spending maybe he would argue it was an investment that would have paid off in a 2nd term and allowed for a reduction in spending... then again maybe he doesn't give a crap.

I think the Trump presidency had more positives than negatives. Tariffs certainly have negatives but one could argue that there were positive benefits as well. I wouldn't pretend to be an expert on that.




I agree, the media and Marxism. I think one huge benefit to the Trump presidency was the mass of voters now understanding that the major media corporations are propaganda machines engaged in News Craft®. Fake News is now embeded as a reality.

The bone to pick is with who? The GOP?

The media. Although if I could kick a few neocon leftovers out of the GOP that have been there since 2008 I'd consider it a bonus.
 
But only a tiny percentage of us knew. Now the masses know. That is very important.

That's not how word of mouth spreads. Just as Trump's printing is why Biden had inflation from the moment he hit office (no, he hasn't done a damned thing to stop it), our exposing the sheer hutzpah of the propaganda machine literally made Trump's Tweet Factory possible. It would not have worked before we did that.

Not that the credit where due really matters. Except the usual way to reprogram cult members so they can be useful members of society is to show them their god is merely a man after all.
 
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