Trump vs. DeSantis

[nobody's_hero]

The Republican Party should be forced to carry Trump to term, even if it endangers the life of the Party.

Meh, I'd choose Trump over the GOP. Unless the GOP nominated someone like Rand.

I only wish the democratic party was imploding at the same time.

 

[pcosmar]

#1 Trump/DeSantis would lose. #2 Assuming it was a winning ticket, why would he resign as popular governor of a large state to basically do nothing as VP?

Why would he Throw away Governor over a Race he has no chance of winning? just to be the spoiler?

 

[vita3]

Poison.

Move forward for the love of God

 

[Voluntarist]

Trump/DeSantis ticket would be hard to beat.

Don't the President and Vice President have to be from different states?

 

[Anti Globalist]

Don't the President and Vice President have to be from different states?

Yes. It's unconstitutional for your running mate to reside in the same state as you. However if Trump were to switch his address back to New York then DeSantis would be allowed to be on the ticket.

 

[Voluntarist]

Yes. It's unconstitutional for your running mate to reside in the same state as you.

I found it, Article II

The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.

So there's no unconstitutionality about both President and Vice President being from the same state, it's just that no Florida Elector can cast their votes for two candidates, both of whom are from Florida. It's a pragmatic political consideration - in a close race you could end up with President and Vice President being from different parties.

But do you really think that Trump is going to change his residency back to high-tax New York from no-tax Florida ... looking weak in the process as though it was something he had to do to get the needed Ron DeSanctimonious on his ticket?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Tell me more about how the FBI preserves liberty and obeyed Trump.

It was more likely the US Attorneys.
But there may be a few whitehat FBI agents that had not been purged yet at the time.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

"Trump versus Desantis"

As soon as you're asking this question you're already losing.

Can't we put in at least the most remedial effort to push someone who has some fondness for liberty, instead of tin pot dictator types?

 

[Swordsmyth]

And how he didn't send the FBI to save his own fat ass two years later because he's so modest and self-effacing.

It's not like he wouldn't have been impeached/prosecuted for "abuse of power" if he used it to help himself, right?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Republican-libertarian activist, Tho Bishop, in Florida has a great take on this:


"If Ron DeSantis wants to take the GOP, he should call for the removal of McCarthy and McConnell from leadership.
Not only is accountability important, but it would directly undercut the silly "he's too establishment" narrative being pushed by some.


The GOP needs a capable leader right now. Someone who can reward friends and punish enemies.


Ron needs to make the call and give us Speaker Jim Jordan."

Very good.
Has he said one word against the RINOs and McLeadership?
If he does his Bush wing friends will drop him like a hot potato.
Openly and aggressively attacking the RINOs is the only way he can get their stink off of him.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Meh, I'd choose Trump over the GOP. Unless the GOP nominated someone like Rand.

I only wish the democratic party was imploding at the same time.

It is, that is why they have to cheat so hard.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Very good.
Has he said one word against the RINOs and McLeadership?
If he does his Bush wing friends will drop him like a hot potato.
Openly and aggressively attacking the RINOs is the only way he can get their stink off of him.

Of course he hasn't. He's relying on RINOs (including Fox News) and McLeadership to push him over Trump.

The big GOP establishment money is already lining up behind him like Ken Griffin.

 

[TheCount]

Trump is already looking less handsome and muscular in Zyklon Ben's cartoons... replaced by buff Desantis.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Meh, I'd choose Trump over the GOP. Unless the GOP nominated someone like Rand.

I only wish the democratic party was imploding at the same time.

It is, that is why they have to cheat so hard.

It isn't, if they are cheating and succeeding at it.

h/t @ClaytonB:

But if it is the case that there's lots of cheating going on in these elections, at the end of the day, that's just what it is. That's what we've got, you know. I think it was Curtis Yarvin who said about Joe Biden with the Trump election, he said, "Well, if he cheated, he cheated fair and square." That's kind of how I feel about it, too. It's like, well, then that's the game, I guess. and you're like "Oh, well isn't that unfair and corrupt?" And it's like, yeah, this is politics. This is the government. Everything's unfair and corrupt. Half of the polices that you probably support are unfair and corrupt (that's to the non libertarians listening). Yeah, that's the game. OK, if they're committing fraud and you can't stop them from committing fraud then, guess what, account for that fraud in your calculations going forward. Then that's what it is. You either find a way to stop it or account for it. And if you're saying we can never take back huge majorities in Congress and in the Senate and all this because of the fraud? OK, well, then you can't take back huge majorities. That's just that. you still gotta figure out what your strategy's gonna be. (POTP 929)

 

[Occam's Banana]

"Trump versus Desantis"

As soon as you're asking this question you're already losing.

Can't we put in at least the most remedial effort to push someone who has some fondness for liberty, instead of tin pot dictator types?

"Trump versus DeSantis" is not a question (if it was, "or" would have been used instead of "versus"). It's just the title under which I chose to merge certain posts from across several other recent threads - specifically, posts concerning the ostensible rivalry between Trump and DeSantis. That rivalry is a subject of interest not only among partisans of the two camps, but also among popcorn enjoyers (such as myself) outside of either camp. IOW: The thread is not intended to "push" anyone (though no doubt the aforementioned partisans will do so).

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1591899349503836160

(DeSantis voted "nay" on the amendment and "yea" on the reauthorization.)

 

[Anti-Neocon]

"Trump versus DeSantis" is not a question (if it was, "or" would have been used instead of "versus"). It's just the title under which I chose to merge certain posts from across several other recent threads - specifically, posts concerning the ostensible rivalry between Trump and DeSantis. That rivalry is a subject of interest not only among partisans of the two camps, but also among popcorn enjoyers (such as myself) outside of either camp. IOW: The thread is not intended to "push" anyone (though no doubt the aforementioned partisans will do so).

Thanks for the clarification. However I believe that the more energy spent on this discussion, the less energy can be spent on thinking about alternatives whatever they may be. I fully expect close to zero true effort to be put toward promoting a candidate other than one of these two, and this ends up with a result similar to the typical R vs D election, people squabbling over the "lesser of two evils" instead of trying to figure out a way to avoid evil.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It isn't, if they are cheating and succeeding at it.

h/t @ClaytonB:

They are losing the facade of credibility they had with the people.
They can't maintain control with this level of cheating.

 

[Occam's Banana]

They are losing the facade of credibility they had with the people.
They can't maintain control with this level of cheating.

The Soviets pretty quickly lost their "facade of credibility [...] with the people", too.

That didn't stop (or even seriously impede) them from possessing and wielding power for quite a long while.

Cheating or no cheating, the Democrats (or anyone else) can maintain control for just exactly as long as they are able to acquire & maintain power and are willing & able to use it.

 

[nobody's_hero]

The Soviets pretty quickly lost their "facade of credibility [...] with the people", too.

That didn't stop (or even seriously impede) them from possessing and wielding power for quite a long while.

Cheating or no cheating, the Democrats (or anyone else) can maintain control for just exactly as long as they are able to acquire & maintain power and are willing & able to use it.

Yep. Once the propaganda stops working, they'll get more forceful.