Trump Unleashes Tariffs On Mexico "Until Illegal Immigration Stops"

[r3volution 3.0]

That's a difference without a distinction.

No...

My idea only costs those who are breaking the law, therefore it is more of a fine than a tax.

Mexico and the other countries involved are waging war on the US and it is time we fought back with appropriate counter measures.

Higher taxes = larger government

Abuse English as you like, the facts won't change.

 

[Slave Mentality]

I'm not sure what makes me more sad

that America expects other countries to enforce our laws

or that any members of Ron Paul forums defends the practice.

Indeed.

 

[nikcers]

Who do you think makes a ton of money off trade with Mexico? Detroit fell of the map because of all that trade, it was a bustling town, one of the richest cities. Well you say this is going to hurt Americans the most, yeah- Its going to hurt the cronies that have control over 70% of all of the money in this country and own the congress the worst. Maybe that will get the congress to listen by hitting them at their donors wallets.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Mexico’s president on Saturday hinted his country could tighten migration controls to defuse U.S. President Donald Trump’s threat to impose tariffs on Mexican goods, and said he expected “good results” from talks planned in Washington next week.

In a news conference in the Gulf of Mexico port of Veracruz, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said Mexico could be ready to step up measures to contain a recent surge in migration in order to reach a deal with the United States.
A major Mexican delegation led by Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard will discuss the dispute with U.S. officials in Washington on Wednesday, and Lopez Obrador said he expected “good results” from the talks, and for a deal to emerge.
“The main thing is to inform about what we’re already doing on the migration issue, and if it’s necessary to reinforce these measures without violating human rights, we could be prepared to reach that deal,” Lopez Obrador said.
His comments follow those of Jesus Seade, deputy foreign minister for North America, who told Reuters on Friday that Mexico wanted to sharpen existing measures to curb the flow of Central Americans trying to reach U.S. soil.

More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ssions-to-defuse-u-s-trade-spat-idUSKCN1T237F

 

[Dr.3D]

I have to wonder what the people of Ron Paul Forums would be arguing about if Hillery had won the presidency.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The top Mexican official leading negotiations with the U.S. over President Donald Trump’s newly announced tariffs previously compared Trump to Hitler and described him as an “enemy” of Mexico.

Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard arrived at the Mexican embassy on Saturday and is scheduled to meet with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday, Ebrard announced on Twitter.
Ebrard, a former Mexico City mayor who has served as foreign secretary since December 2018, has been open in his disdain for Trump in the past.

“He, like Hitler, is a good communicator,” Ebrard told The New Yorker in 2016, referring to Trump.

The New Yorker’s article profiled Ebrard’s get-out-the-vote efforts for then-Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.
“It was after hearing Donald Trump speak that I decided to get much more involved, beyond just giving opinions,” Ebrard told the magazine. “The risk represented by el Señor Trump, the things that he says, in particular about Mexico, but in general, too, are like nothing else I’ve encountered.”
Roughly a week before the 2016 election, Ebrard called Trump the greatest “enemy” that Mexico has faced in “many years.”

Trump es el peor enemigo que México haya enfrentado en muchos años. Debemos esforzarnos para frenarlo con votos en E.U.A.
— Marcelo Ebrard C. (@m_ebrard) October 31, 2016

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Cada voto cuenta, apoyemos a Hillary Clinton. Derrotemos la xenofobia anti mexicana de Trump pic.twitter.com/Qpb314m3Qq
— Marcelo Ebrard C. (@m_ebrard) October 29, 2016
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Now, Ebrard is in the position of leading negotiations with the Trump administration over the tariffs Trump slapped on his country.

More at: https://www.infowars.com/mexican-of...red-trump-to-hitler-called-him-mexicos-enemy/

 

[nikcers]

11% of a corrupt governments GDP, I am sure their government has no incentive but to encourage illegal immigration into our country.

But in the impoverished rural areas of western Guatemala, the lure of earning even minimum wage in the US is strong, local residents say. Many expressed skepticism that government initiatives would hold them back.

Many leave for economic reasons, returning to build homes and start small businesses. Those who manage to stay in the US send money back home to their families. Last year, Guatemalans living abroad sent home more than $9.2 billion, equivalent to 11 percent of Guatemala’s GDP.



As for the message the government is sending to migrants to stay home, he is not sure anyone will listen, because Guatemalans generally distrust their politicians. And with good reason.

A UN-backed panel found massive corruption at every level of government in the country, including the judiciary. The country’s president, Jimmy Morales, expelled the UN investigators this year, when his family became the subject of the probe.

And then there is the economic incentive to try to enter the US, which trumps the risk of getting caught and exiled, Aguilar said.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Mexico on Monday said it would reject a U.S. idea to take in all Central American asylum seekers if it is raised at talks this week with Trump administration, which has threatened to impose tariffs if Mexico does not crack down on illegal immigration.

Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard said the country is committed to continuing to work to keep illegal immigrants from Central America from reaching the U.S. border.
However, he said a more radical proposal favored by some U.S. officials to designate Mexico a “safe third country,” which would force Central Americans seeking asylum in the United States to instead apply for it in Mexico, is not an option.
“An agreement about a safe third country would not be acceptable for Mexico,” Ebrard told reporters in Washington. “They have not yet proposed it to me. But it would not be acceptable and they know it.”
Ebrard will meet U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo during the talks, which will also involve other senior officials.


In a possible sign of U.S. priorities in the talks, which are due to run through at least Wednesday, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) acting Secretary Kevin McAleenan said on Sunday that Mexico should deploy more personnel to stop illegal immigrants along a remote, jungly stretch of border with Guatemala.
McAleenan also said Mexico should bolster its own immigration screenings along that border, crack down on criminal networks transporting migrants and enable more migrants to wait in Mexico while they apply for asylum in the United States.


Approval of a deal to revamp the NAFTA free trade agreement between Mexico, the United States and Canada is also pending and could be hampered by the latest dispute over immigration, said Jesus Seade, Mexico’s deputy foreign minister for North America.
Goldman Sachs’ economists cut their chances that the new USMCA trade agreement - which must be passed by the three countries - will be ratified this year to 35% from 60% previously.

More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-talks-on-trumps-tariff-threat-idUSKCN1T41KU

 

[Swordsmyth]

Mexico is sending a big delegation to talk about the Border. Problem is, they’ve been “talking” for 25 years. We want action, not talk. They could solve the Border Crisis in one day if they so desired. Otherwise, our companies and jobs are coming back to the USA!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 2, 2019
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People have been saying for years that we should talk to Mexico. The problem is that Mexico is an “abuser” of the United States, taking but never giving. It has been this way for decades. Either they stop the invasion of our Country by Drug Dealers, Cartels, Human Traffickers….
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 2, 2019
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….Coyotes and Illegal Immigrants, which they can do very easily, or our many companies and jobs that have been foolishly allowed to move South of the Border, will be brought back into the United States through taxation (Tariffs). America has had enough!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 2, 2019

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[nikcers]

If the tariffs make things more difficult in Mexico, more of them may decide to go to the US to look for work. More immigrants.

More illegal immigration might be a boon for republican elections. Trump wins no matter what?

 

[axiomata]

"Really tariffs, have to originate with Congress, and I think you can't just declare emergencies on spending, on tariffs, on arms sales"

Rand Paul

Stand with Rand everyone?

 

[nobody's_hero]

I have to wonder what the people of Ron Paul Forums would be arguing about if Hillery had won the presidency.

I could name several folks who probably wouldn't be here to do any arguing. I'm sure we'd accomplish just as much, though. Which is to say, nothing at all.

 

[nikcers]

I could name several folks who probably wouldn't be here to do any arguing. I'm sure we'd accomplish just as much, though. Which is to say, nothing at all.

Hillary would still be using government agencies to go after her political enemies, and have more power to do it so you're right some of us might not even be here.

 

[Swordsmyth]

"Really tariffs, have to originate with Congress, and I think you can't just declare emergencies on spending, on tariffs, on arms sales"

Rand Paul

Stand with Rand everyone?

If Rand proposes legislation to remove the delegated tariff power from ALL Presidents.

 

[nikcers]

If Rand proposes legislation to remove the delegated tariff power from ALL Presidents.

I think the idea is that Rand doesn't think that any branch of the government should be able to delegate their constitutional power to the other branches of government because it goes against the seperation of powers that the founders had intended would prevent tyranny. It's the only intellectually honest argument he can make otherwise he would be lying. The big government republicans are probably the most likely to vote to veto this, maybe a veto could give us a MAGA movement for congress and a better congress.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I think the idea is that Rand doesn't think that any branch of the government should be able to delegate their constitutional power to the other branches of government because it goes against the seperation of powers that the founders had intended would prevent tyranny. It's the only intellectually honest argument he can make otherwise he would be lying. The big government republicans are probably the most likely to vote to veto this, maybe a veto could give us a MAGA movement for congress and better congress.

I understand that argument but the Constitution doesn't prohibit delegation and our enemies have used delegated powers to destroy America so unless Congress is going to revoke the delegation I don't support fighting to repair the damage with one hand behind our back.

 

[nikcers]

I understand that argument but the Constitution doesn't prohibit delegation and our enemies have used delegated powers to destroy America so unless Congress is going to revoke the delegation I don't support fighting to repair the damage with one hand behind our back.

The national emergency is a slippery slope, if he can't veto it than maybe we can get a better congress. What's next a national emergency on the debt that forces them to cut 2 pennies out of every dollar?

 

[Swordsmyth]

[h=1]Mexico Cracks Down on Migrants, After Pressure From Trump to Act [/h]

 

[nikcers]

I understand that argument but the Constitution doesn't prohibit delegation and our enemies have used delegated powers to destroy America so unless Congress is going to revoke the delegation I don't support fighting to repair the damage with one hand behind our back.

If Lindsey Graham became the next president would you be okay with him starting wars everywhere?

 

[Swordsmyth]

If Lindsey Graham became the next president would you be okay with him starting wars everywhere?

No, I would oppose his use of delegated powers for bad purposes and I would call for Congress to revoke the delegation.

I would support Trump's use of delegated powers for good purposes and oppose it for bad purposes meanwhile I would support Rand if he called for Congress to revoke the delegation and I would eventually call for the revocation if we fixed all the problems the delegated powers could be used to fix and/or got a better Congress that would fix the problems themselves.