Trump Unleashes His Secret Police in Portland

[Slave Mentality]

Heard that some folks who have been snatched up were released without being charged

The United States is not Russia, China or Iran were these people are killed & never heard from again

Honestly Federal law enforcement has shown nice amount of restraint

How do you know that the US government doesn't do that to citizens? You know that it does, right? Drones, black sites, etc. Ever hear of "Gitmo".

How would someone that has been kidnapped and murdered by our government going to ever notify you that they have been kidnapped and murdered, vita3? That doesn't even make sense.

Would a not nice amount of restraint be to openly start mowing people down? The Feds can call the fucking cops just like they expect us to. Did you hear that the couple protecting their property in St. Louis have felony charges now? Would you allow them to protect their property like you are cool with Uncle Sugar protecting its property? You should.

You can't give the government powers that you don't have.

 

[devil21]

I'd help them, but I'm too busy eating popcorn and shouting "told ya so".

I resemble this remark but by now I'm mostly at peace with it. Spent the last 12 years trying to warn people of what was coming if we didn't all wise up. But even today, conservatives and libertarians cheer unmarked vans with federal storm troopers snatching people up off the street, because of half-assed "riots" outside fortress federal buildings that are at no real threat of being damaged, so obviously the years of warnings fell on mostly deaf (and dumb) ears. I guess people simply aren't capable of seeing how the two-party football game makes it relatively easy to hand the same powers that one team championed over to the other team. People can't think past next week, much less think past next administration.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

As far as I know these are homeland security being sent to preserve the federal taxpayers property.

If they were trained by a controversial foreign police state funded by taxpayers dollars, that could create a new poltical controversy in the aftermath of MN Floyd killing unrest and potentially hurt MAGA 2020 reelection chances.

Homeland Security Made in Israel

MN cops learned Knee-On-Neck in Israeli training trip.

 

[devil21]

Heard that some folks who have been snatched up were released without being charged

The United States is not Russia, China or Iran were these people are killed & never heard from again

Honestly Federal law enforcement has shown nice amount of restraint

And we're right back to incrementalism. Oh they were released? Must mean that the same will happen next time, now that it's been conditioned to be acceptable if the "acceptable" circumstances arise again. I'm sure that next time, after, say, the other team controls the police state, and conservatives protest or "riot", the same will happen.

 

[familydog]

I think this thread exemplifies how the Ron Paul liberty movement was just a fleeting curiosity in United States history. We no longer debate the merits of these actions with regards to the Constitution or federalism. Whether Portland burns down or not ought not be a concern to anyone outside of Oregon. If thugs are targeting federal property, then perhaps its time the empire pack up and leave the area.

 

[devil21]

I think this thread exemplifies how the Ron Paul liberty movement was just a fleeting curiosity in United States history. We no longer debate the merits of these actions with regards to the Constitution or federalism. Whether Portland burns down or not ought not be a concern to anyone outside of Oregon. If thugs are targeting federal property, then perhaps its time the empire pack up and leave the area.

The liberty movement itself may well have been a fleeting curiosity, however it did help make "conspiracy theory" (aka critical thinking) much more mainstream among those still able to do so and be vocal about it. That's evident by the massive censorship, co-opting initiatives and blatant shilling undertaken ever since 2008.

 

[nikcers]

Those anarchists have gone too far.

 

[Ender]

I resemble this remark but by now I'm mostly at peace with it. Spent the last 12 years trying to warn people of what was coming if we didn't all wise up. But even today, conservatives and libertarians cheer unmarked vans with federal storm troopers snatching people up off the street, because of half-assed "riots" outside fortress federal buildings that are at no real threat of being damaged, so obviously the years of warnings fell on mostly deaf (and dumb) ears. I guess people simply aren't capable of seeing how the two-party football game makes it relatively easy to hand the same powers that one team championed over to the other team. People can't think past next week, much less think past next administration.

Which, IMHPOV, is exactly the reason for all this mess. More slavery, more compliance, as the few freedoms left are taken in the name of - you know- safety.

 

[AngryCanadian]

I think this thread exemplifies how the Ron Paul liberty movement was just a fleeting curiosity in United States history. We no longer debate the merits of these actions with regards to the Constitution or federalism. Whether Portland burns down or not ought not be a concern to anyone outside of Oregon. If thugs are targeting federal property, then perhaps its time the empire pack up and leave the area.

The same Constitution which lawmarkers in st louis had forgotten that people have a right to defend themselves and their property. Its the mob that broke the rules. And yet somehow the mob haven't being even arrested. Its clear these rioters or so called "Peaceful Protesters" have a some kind of immunity from being arrested from some powerful types.

 

[familydog]

The same Constitution which lawmarkers in st louis had forgotten that people have a right to defend themselves and their property.

If you want to talk about that situation instead of the thread topic, then I'll oblige.

Article I of the Missouri Constitution explicitly states that the right to keep and bear arms is unalienable. The McCloskeys had their rights under Missouri law violated. The Constitution for the United States is separate from the Missouri Constitution. This is where federalism comes into the picture.

Its the mob that broke the rules. And yet somehow the mob haven't being even arrested. Its clear these rioters or so called "Peaceful Protesters" have a some kind of immunity from being arrested from some powerful types.

As a citizen of Pennsylvania, what happens in Missouri and Portland is none of my concern. We have our own problems with a tyrranical governor, a complicit State Supreme Court and an impotent legislature. I only have so much outrage to spare.

 

[vita3]

How do you know that the US government doesn't do that to citizens? You know that it does, right? Drones, black sites, etc. Ever hear of "Gitmo".

How would someone that has been kidnapped and murdered by our government going to ever notify you that they have been kidnapped and murdered, vita3? That doesn't even make sense.

Would a not nice amount of restraint be to openly start mowing people down? The Feds can call the $#@!ing cops just like they expect us to. Did you hear that the couple protecting their property in St. Louis have felony charges now? Would you allow them to protect their property like you are cool with Uncle Sugar protecting its property? You should.

You can't give the government powers that you don't have.

the couple in St.Louis absolutely had/has the rights to defend themselves & property. It's a BS case & hope that overzealous St.Louis prosecutor gets removed from office

 

[Slave Mentality]

the couple in St.Louis absolutely had/has the rights to defend themselves & property. It's a BS case & hope that overzealous St.Louis prosecutor gets removed from office

Agee with that!

 

[Occam's Banana]

This bears repeating:

To hell with the rioters & looters!

To hell with the police and feds!

They're just different horns on the same rampaging bull ...​

Further to which:

The Blue Line Gang vs the Red Line Gang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyYg7g_x1ZY
​

I'll be damned if I'll support and defend the "Red Line Gang" against the property-stealing, people-abusing thugs of the "Blue Line Gang" - especially when the "Red Line Gang" are just a bunch of property-destroying, people-abusing thugs themselves (who wouldn't do a thing to support or defend me or mine, and who could quite possibly end up just destroying my property and abusing me ...)

I'll be damned if I'll support and defend the "Blue Line Gang" against the property-destroying, people-abusing thugs of the "Red Line Gang" - especially when the "Blue Line Gang" are just a bunch of property-stealing, people-abusing thugs themselves (who wouldn't do a thing to support or defend me or mine, and who could quite possibly end up just stealing my property and abusing me ...)

Homey don't play dat false-dilemma game ...

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Early reporting can be foggy/incomplete, let's wait till all the facts come out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-oAhSZwSFE

 

[newliberty]

Americans lose their minds when
China sends police into Hong Kong,
but no one cares when
Trump sends the Gestapo into US cities.


Americans think DHS agents who
shoot protesters in the face and
patrol cities with black vans while
kidnapping Americans without warrants
is just a funny little game, but what will
Americans think when the
DHS starts door-to-door mandatory
gun confiscation?