Trump & the Establishment [edit]

[Ronin Truth]

FWIW I'll SWAG, Trump didn't give them enough yet, to buy their love.

 

[brushfire]

I hope trump wins and creates a magnificent pyre from the remnants of the republican party. The republicans, because of all their antics, deserve this. Its time for a new party - RIP GOP.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Trump is the very foundation for globalism. Without politicians like trump creating the tight reins of authoritarianism in this country, the next globalist politician cannot present the country for global control without it rebelling from within.

Yes, that's why he's against the TPP and the UN.

/sarc

 

[William Tell]

I thought we weren't supposed to alter quotes anymore.

Only Trump supporters can do whatever they want here.

 

[klamath]

Yes, that's why he's against the TPP and the UN.

/sarc

And if the TPP and the UN are all powerful like you claim then it makes it even more likely Trump is their man. One of the globalist as you like to call them would have been running against trump and no one else. Nearly ever poll has shown from the get go that Trump could not win a one on one contest with most of the GOP field. If they are all powerful as you say they wouldn't have let Cruz and Kasich stay in the race against trump.

 

[LibertyEagle]

And if the TPP and the UN are all powerful like you claim then it makes it even more likely Trump is their man. One of the globalist as you like to call them would have been running against trump and no one else. Nearly ever poll has shown from the get go that Trump could not win a one on one contest with most of the GOP field. If they are all powerful as you say they wouldn't have let Cruz and Kasich stay in the race against trump.

Uh, they stayed in to keep Trump from getting the required 1237 delegates. If Trump had been the globalist selection, the RNC would have asked Cruz and Kasich to exit. Just like has happened in every other presidential race in recent memory.

 

[klamath]

Uh, they stayed in to keep Trump from getting the required 1237 delegates. If Trump had been the globalist selection, the RNC would have asked Cruz and Kasich to exit. Just like has happened in every other presidential race in recent memory.

Which of course defeats your claim that Cruz is a globalist banker.... and Kasich...

 

[LibertyEagle]

Which of course defeats your claim that Cruz is a globalist banker.... and Kasich...

How so?

 

[Bryan]

I thought we weren't supposed to alter quotes anymore.

You're not, but not everyone has got the message yet.

 

[Bryan]

Only Trump supporters can do whatever they want here.

Everyone here has to follow the guidelines.

 

[CPUd]

And if the TPP and the UN are all powerful like you claim then it makes it even more likely Trump is their man. One of the globalist as you like to call them would have been running against trump and no one else. Nearly ever poll has shown from the get go that Trump could not win a one on one contest with most of the GOP field. If they are all powerful as you say they wouldn't have let Cruz and Kasich stay in the race against trump.

This is what a certain group of people continually ignore on here for the last 9-12 months. Trump loses consistently in head-to-head against anyone else in the GOP field at any point in the race with the exception of Bush. Trump loses consistently in general election head-to-head against Clinton and even more so against Sanders. This is irrefutable, and backed by almost a year's worth of data. Every campaign knew this, which is why they didn't drop out; everybody wanted to be the one to go against Trump, so they waited it out in the hopes of being the last one standing against him. Bush dropping out before Iowa would have changed the race dramatically, because the anti-Bush voters would start taking a harder look at the other candidates instead of going with someone they knew would beat Bush.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is what a certain group of people continually ignore on here for the last 9-12 months. Trump loses consistently in head-to-head against anyone else in the GOP field at any point in the race with the exception of Bush. Trump loses consistently in general election head-to-head against Clinton and even more so against Sanders. This is irrefutable, and backed by almost a year's worth of data. Every campaign knew this, which is why they didn't drop out; everybody wanted to be the one to go against Trump, so they waited it out in the hopes of being the last one standing against him.

The problem with that reasoning is that none of those left, besides Trump, has any realistic chance of reaching the 1237 delegates and if that number isn't reached, anyone, even people who were not in the race, can be put forward to win the nomination. The GOPe has been quite clear what their plans are and they would rather have Clinton win, than Trump. There is a reason for this.

Bush dropping out before Iowa would have changed the race dramatically, because the anti-Bush voters would start taking a harder look at the other candidates instead of going with someone they knew would beat Bush.

Bush dropped out because he was looking like a weak little boy. Trump did that. He was the number 1 pick of the globalists for the nomination. I think Rubio was the fall back. If Trump wouldn't have been in the race, Bush would have gotten the requisite 1237 delegates, I believe.

 

[klamath]

The problem with that reasoning is that none of those left, besides Trump, has any realistic chance of reaching the 1237 delegates and if that number isn't reached, anyone, even people who were not in the race, can be put forward to win the nomination. The GOPe has been quite clear what their plans are and they would rather have Clinton win, than Trump. There is a reason for this.



Bush dropped out because he was looking like a weak little boy. Trump did that. He was the number 1 pick of the globalists for the nomination. I think Rubio was the fall back. If Trump wouldn't have been in the race, Bush would have gotten the requisite 1237 delegates, I believe.

If all the other candidates are globalists besides Trump, they all would have been out except Cruz after Trumps win in NH. Nearly every bit of polling showed cruz beating Trump head to head. They would have consolidated behind cruz and defeated trump. They sure as hell wouldn't have let Trump take the winner take all states with small majority votes.

Cruz trump head to head.
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cruz trump head to head
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cruz trump head to head.
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Cruz trump head to head.
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[ChristianAnarchist]

So accept that what's happening is a shu-in for "President Billary". Another Clinton in the white house and when they finish this time they will be taking more than just the silverware...

 

[CPUd]

The problem with that reasoning is that none of those left, besides Trump, has any realistic chance of reaching the 1237 delegates and if that number isn't reached, anyone, even people who were not in the race, can be put forward to win the nomination. The GOPe has been quite clear what their plans are and they would rather have Clinton win, than Trump. There is a reason for this.

Trump's weakness is not a new revelation, it has been known since at least last August when the field maxed out. If no one goes in with a majority, they are not going to put anyone on the 1st ballot besides Trump, Cruz, maybe Kasich and Rubio. You can take that to the bank.

 

[francisco]

Mississippi poll: Clinton within 3 points of Trump

By Nolan D. McCaskill

04/05/16 12:07 PM EDT

Despite winning Mississippi's Republican presidential primary by double digits, Donald Trump could turn Mississippi blue for the first time in 40 years, according to a Mason-Dixon poll released Tuesday.

Trump won Mississippi last month with 47 percent of the vote, an 11-point advantage over Ted Cruz, his closest rival. But the Mason-Dixon poll suggests that Trump fares the worst against Hillary Clinton in a general election — meaning the state could vote for the Democrat for the first time in a presidential election since 1976, when Jimmy Carter carried the state by a narrow margin over incumbent President Gerald Ford.

The Republican front-runner holds a 3-point lead over Clinton statewide, 46 percent to 43 percent with 11 percent undecided. Trump’s advantage, however, falls within the margin of error, while Cruz and John Kasich safely carry the state by double-digit margins.

Compared with his Republican rivals, Trump has the least percentage of support across the board. Cruz and Kasich have a greater percentage of support among white and black voters; men and women; and Democrats, Republicans and independents.

The survey of 625 registered voters in Mississippi was conducted March 28-30 by landlines and cellphones. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

In 2012, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney carried Mississippi by 12 percentage points over President Barack Obama.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-...04/mississippi-poll-2016-clinton-trump-221572

There you go again, CPUd, clouding the issue with facts.