Trump tells donors he would have bombed Moscow and Beijing

[acptulsa]

What he says and what he did for four years all add up to more reason to actively disbelieve WaPo's lie.

Every campaign season he says a billion contradictory things designed to please whatever audience he's trying to reach. And you deny he said half of it, specifically the half you don't like and/or you think we won't like.

So why would I give your testimony one ounce of weight? Why would I do that? Yeah, that rag has no credibility. But cultists don't either.

 

[sparebulb]

double post

 

[sparebulb]

That stopped the war Iran and the Deepstate were trying to force him into by having Iran's proxies attack our embassy.

Please explain this with sources better than Trump fan fiction sites.

I will keep an open mind.

 

[PAF]

Another dumb ass donor. Those who donate to Trump really don't care about their own money, why would they care abut the now unfixable debt that I incurred?

https://x.com/Timcast/status/1796311169025573041

 

[Swordsmyth]

Please explain this with sources better than Trump fan fiction sites.

I will keep an open mind.

The US embassy in Baghdad was under attack by militia's with Iranian ties, the head of Iran's IRGC flew in and was picked up at the airport by the heads of the militias conducting the attack.
Trump's drone strike put an end to the escalation and the attacks stopped after Iran fired some missiles at our bases.
Trump refused to retaliate further even though the Pentagon wanted to.
Had the embassy fallen there would have been an open war with Iran, which is what Iran and their US deepstate allies wanted.
(The O'Bummer and Biden administrations are full of people with direct ties to the Iranian government and many of them were in the permanent bureaucracy in Trump's administration)

 

[acptulsa]

... Iran and their US deepstate allies...

What more needs to be said? No straight man lines are needed. It's straight up stand up comedy.

 

[invisible]

What's wrong with being a draft dodger?

"I went"

 

[sparebulb]

The US embassy in Baghdad was under attack by militia's with Iranian ties, the head of Iran's IRGC flew in and was picked up at the airport by the heads of the militias conducting the attack.
Trump's drone strike put an end to the escalation and the attacks stopped after Iran fired some missiles at our bases.
Trump refused to retaliate further even though the Pentagon wanted to.
Had the embassy fallen there would have been an open war with Iran, which is what Iran and their US deepstate allies wanted.
(The O'Bummer and Biden administrations are full of people with direct ties to the Iranian government and many of them were in the permanent bureaucracy in Trump's administration)

That reads like fiction.

Source please.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What more needs to be said? No straight man lines are needed. It's straight up stand up comedy.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What more needs to be said? No straight man lines are needed. It's straight up stand up comedy.

Flashback – Obama Administration tipped off Soleimani about an impending Israeli assassination attempt.
Flashback – Iran’s foreign Minister threatened to out Western diplomats and politicians who took bribes to make the Iran deal happen.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What more needs to be said? No straight man lines are needed. It's straight up stand up comedy.

Flashback: Iranian Member of Parliament Confirms Obama Granted Citizenship to 2,500 Iranians Ahead of Nuclear Deal

Every day the American people learn more and more about how corrupt and evil the Obama administration really was!!
An Iranian member of Parliament confirmed that the Obama administration granted citizenship to approximately 2,500 Iranians -including family members of politicians and other VIPs- in the run-up to the Iranian nuclear agreement.
Via Fox News: “He claimed it was done as a favor to senior Iranian officials linked to President Hassan Rouhani, and he alleged the move sparked a competition among Iranian officials over whose children would benefit from the scheme.”
“When Obama, during the negotiations about the JCPOA, decided to do a favor to these men, he granted citizenship to 2,500 Iranians and some officials started a competition over whose children could be part of these 2,500 Iranians,” claimed the cleric.
“If today these Iranians get deported from America, it will become clear who is complicit and sells the national interest like he is selling candies to America,” he added.

More at: https://www.rightjournalism.com/iran...-nuclear-deal/​

 

[Swordsmyth]

What more needs to be said? No straight man lines are needed. It's straight up stand up comedy.

Obama’s first Secretary of State – before it was Hillary – was former US Senator and Presidential candidate, John Forbes Kerry.
In 2009, Kerry’s younger daughter from his first marriage, Dr. Vanessa Bradford Kelly, married Iranian-American physician, Dr. Brian (Behrooz) Vala Nahid.
The Best Man at their wedding, Mahdi Zarif, was the son of Iran’s Foreign Minister, Javad Zarif, who acted as Iran’s chief negotiator in official nuclear talks with the US.
In other words, Javad Zarif was John Kerry’s counterpart in official Iran nuclear deal negotiations, the same negotiations that eventually ended up with Iran being given 150 Billion in cash with literally no SIGNED agreement and, thus, no strings attached.
Ah, but it gets better…
Who do you think threw a dinner party – that John Kerry attended – as part of the preparations leading up to the wedding?
Well, yes, it was none other than George Soros and the party took place at his Penthouse in Manhattan.
For an even better view of John Kerry’s self-rewarding and at times quasi-treasonous activities perpetrated under the guise of diplomacy, please read the article provided at the link below.
www.breakingisraelnews.com/46248/nuclear-nepotism-hushed-up-truth-kerrys-personal-iran-connection-middle-east/

More at: https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/...-of-irans-sos/

 

[Swordsmyth]

That reads like fiction.

Source please.

Trump threatens Iran with 'big price' to pay over US embassy attack


Obama gave White House welcome to Iran-backed leader of US Embassy attack in Baghdad
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ack-in-baghdad

The new leader of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force once boasted that U.S. troops have “suffered more losses from us than we have suffered losses from them” and has repeatedly ripped President Trump and America’s allies.
Brigadier Gen. Esmail Qaani, 62, now spearheads the special military unit following the death of Gen. Qassem Soleimani, who was killed Thursday in a U.S. airstrike at Baghdad International Airport in Iraq. He had served as Soleimani’s deputy commander since 1997 – and the Treasury Department says he has used his power to direct funding toward terrorist groups like Hezbollah.
Qaani, like many other Iranian government and military officials, also has a history of making hostile and inflammatory statements against the U.S.
“America has suffered more losses from us than we have suffered losses from them,” the Middle East Institute quoted him as saying during a 2017 ceremony in commemoration of Iranian forces and Iranian-backed militias battling in Syria and Iraq.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/world/esmail...ce-iran-us-foe

The original IRANIAN source:
https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1...AF%D9%87%D8%AF

Translated:
https://translate.google.com/#view=h...8%A7%D9%85%2F*

Iran leader killed in strike linked to years of attacks, killing of more than 1,000 U.S. troops during Iraq War

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...-of-more-than-1000-us-troops-during-iraq-war/

Donald Trump: Qasem Soleimani Was ‘Looking to Blow Up Our Embassy’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ow-up-embassy/

Trump tells Fox News' Laura Ingraham 'four embassies' were targeted in imminent threat from Iran
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/trump-te...reat-from-iran

Iran Was Paying Bounties On US Troops In Afghanistan. Trump Killed The Man Responsible


All one has to do is research the incident.
If those are not good enough for you then you look it up for yourself.

 

[TheTexan]

It's called "peace through strength"

"Peace through not intervening with Ukraine" would have also worked fine, but shrug.

 

[TheCount]

But not Trump. He didn't destroy Libya, back an insurgency in Syria or a coup in Ukraine.

Except he did. If you think 2014 was a coup, and Trump didn't back it, why did Trump give them all the weapons and military training beginning in 2017 and through his whole presidency? Are you forgetting that Trump was the first president to give lethal weapons to Ukraine?

This is literally the first search result of a 5 second search:

On December 22, 2017, the Trump administration approved supplying Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine, capping a nearly three-year debate in Washington over whether the United States should provide lethal defensive weapons to counter further Russian aggression in Europe. A few days prior the US Department of State announced that senior officials had authorized a sizeable export of US-made snipers, ammunition, and accessories. The shift in US policy under the Trump administration has been misunderstood. The US government is directly supplying lethal defense hardware to the Ukrainian military for the first time

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-weapons-to-ukraine-a-primer/

The quoted link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine/

Another senior Trump administration official said that Trump personally approved the decision to allow the issuing of the license after being presented a decision memo by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. While there was never a formal ban on such weapons transfers, the decision was discussed internally as a lifting of the de facto Obama administration restrictions, the official said.

Not only did Trump support the "coup", he gave them more support to a greater degree than Obama and types of support that Obama wouldn't.


On Syria, are you forgetting that he personally ordered a few hundred tomahawk missiles launched at Syrian government targets? Or that he continued to authorize operations in Syria for the entire length of his administration? He had press conferences about both of those, it's not like they were secret.

 

[sparebulb]

Trump threatens Iran with 'big price' to pay over US embassy attack


Obama gave White House welcome to Iran-backed leader of US Embassy attack in Baghdad
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ack-in-baghdad

The new leader of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force once boasted that U.S. troops have “suffered more losses from us than we have suffered losses from them” and has repeatedly ripped President Trump and America’s allies.
Brigadier Gen. Esmail Qaani, 62, now spearheads the special military unit following the death of Gen. Qassem Soleimani, who was killed Thursday in a U.S. airstrike at Baghdad International Airport in Iraq. He had served as Soleimani’s deputy commander since 1997 – and the Treasury Department says he has used his power to direct funding toward terrorist groups like Hezbollah.
Qaani, like many other Iranian government and military officials, also has a history of making hostile and inflammatory statements against the U.S.
“America has suffered more losses from us than we have suffered losses from them,” the Middle East Institute quoted him as saying during a 2017 ceremony in commemoration of Iranian forces and Iranian-backed militias battling in Syria and Iraq.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/world/esmail...ce-iran-us-foe

The original IRANIAN source:
https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1...AF%D9%87%D8%AF

Translated:
https://translate.google.com/#view=h...8%A7%D9%85%2F*

Iran leader killed in strike linked to years of attacks, killing of more than 1,000 U.S. troops during Iraq War

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...-of-more-than-1000-us-troops-during-iraq-war/

Donald Trump: Qasem Soleimani Was ‘Looking to Blow Up Our Embassy’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ow-up-embassy/

Trump tells Fox News' Laura Ingraham 'four embassies' were targeted in imminent threat from Iran
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/trump-te...reat-from-iran

Iran Was Paying Bounties On US Troops In Afghanistan. Trump Killed The Man Responsible


All one has to do is research the incident.
If those are not good enough for you then you look it up for yourself.

Thank you for the reply.

I promised that I will keep an open mind.

Nowhere in those virtuous sources (Navy Times, Brietbart, Fox), does it take into account that we are decades-long occupiers in a country on the other side of the world and we don't like complicated resistance from the neighbor next door.

Not to mention that we funded and armed (bounties, if you will) for Iraq to attack Iran at a cost of maybe a million lives.

It was a bit of a setup on my part to challenge you for sources, for there are no credible sources who can justify this craven and cowardly murder.

Therefore, it is no surprise that the sources are the usual players in the bullshat loop, the aforementioned Navy Times, Brietbart, Fox News.

My open mind discounts all of the usual mouthpieces and examines the situation by applying a bit of morality.

There is no excuse or justification for strategic murder.

And this was an especially cowardly murder.

 

[susano]

Except he did. If you think 2014 was a coup, and Trump didn't back it, why did Trump give them all the weapons and military training beginning in 2017 and through his whole presidency? Are you forgetting that Trump was the first president to give lethal weapons to Ukraine?

This is literally the first search result of a 5 second search:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-weapons-to-ukraine-a-primer/

The quoted link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine/



Not only did Trump support the "coup", he gave them more support to a greater degree than Obama and types of support that Obama wouldn't.


On Syria, are you forgetting that he personally ordered a few hundred tomahawk missiles launched at Syrian government targets? Or that he continued to authorize operations in Syria for the entire length of his administration? He had press conferences about both of those, it's not like they were secret.

That is fair criticism on the supplying of weapons though you seem to have a need to downplay the actual coup itself, which was over and done in 2014 and that Trump had nothing to do with. Why you would put coup in "" is odd because that's exactly what it was.

Yes, he okay'd the missile strike in Syria, which really pissed me off. That was a response to the false flag chemical weapons attacks. Trump also ordered all US troops out of Syria and after Biden was installed the DoD said they lied to Trump, telling him they'd begun removing troops when they never did and there were, in fact, 900 there.

So, you're right in that Trump often went along with things already put in motion before he arrived but you're trying to frame it as though he was the one who was responsible for creating these wars when he was not. I wholly support honest criticism and blaming Trump for any of his stupidity but that isn't what you're doing.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Thank you for the reply.

I promised that I will keep an open mind.

Nowhere in those virtuous sources (Navy Times, Brietbart, Fox), does it take into account that we are decades-long occupiers in a country on the other side of the world and we don't like complicated resistance from the neighbor next door.

Not to mention that we funded and armed (bounties, if you will) for Iraq to attack Iran at a cost of maybe a million lives.

It was a bit of a setup on my part to challenge you for sources, for there are no credible sources who can justify this craven and cowardly murder.

Therefore, it is no surprise that the sources are the usual players in the bullshat loop, the aforementioned Navy Times, Brietbart, Fox News.

My open mind discounts all of the usual mouthpieces and examines the situation by applying a bit of morality.

There is no excuse or justification for strategic murder.

And this was an especially cowardly murder.

Bunk.
This was not murder.
Iran has been at war with us since their revolution.
You may blame us for that war and it can be debated, but it is still a war they choose as well and it has been ongoing.
They were continuing to prosecute that war and refused all attempts by Trump to negotiate like he did with N. Korea, the Taliban, and others.
So long as the war is ongoing it was Trump's duty to protect American soldiers and diplomats along with the civilian embassy staff, up to and including by killing the Iranians and their proxies running the attacks.
Trump deliberately kept the situation from escalating and refused to launch an all out war.
Letting them kill our soldiers and ambassadors would have given the media and the war lobby the ammunition needed to force his hand and launch an invasion of Iran.

Trump did not murder anyone, it was war.
And he kept the war from exploding bigger.

 

[sparebulb]

Bunk.
This was not murder.
Iran has been at war with us since their revolution.
You may blame us for that war and it can be debated, but it is still a war they choose as well and it has been ongoing.
They were continuing to prosecute that war and refused all attempts by Trump to negotiate like he did with N. Korea, the Taliban, and others.
So long as the war is ongoing it was Trump's duty to protect American soldiers and diplomats along with the civilian embassy staff, up to and including by killing the Iranians and their proxies running the attacks.
Trump deliberately kept the situation from escalating and refused to launch an all out war.
Letting them kill our soldiers and ambassadors would have given the media and the war lobby the ammunition needed to force his hand and launch an invasion of Iran.

Trump did not murder anyone, it was war.
And he kept the war from exploding bigger.

I'm sorry for this, because you are probably a pretty ok person, but you have a defective moral compass that is fueled by gov-op Trump fan fiction.

If we were at war, there would be a declaration of such followed by a full mobilization.

There is none on either side.

This is empire doing what empire does in its dying days with actors who don't play ball.

You don't really seem to be familiar with some of the concepts Ron Paul has been conveying for years.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic.

 

[acptulsa]

...a defective moral compass that is fueled by gov-op Trump fan fiction.

Isn't it amazing how many of these psyops seem designed to target hypocrisy? You wind up with the people who pay the most lip service to civil liberties screaming for lockdowns. The biggest hypochondriacs are dying wholesale, which I'm sure is making the Medical Industrial Complex more profitable. The people who pay the most lip service to the Constitution are rallying behind someone openly calling for a Stop and Frisk, Show Me your Papers policy.

The truly sad part is how well targeting hypocrisy is working for them.