Trump signs EO eliminating the Dept. of Education

[asurfaholic]

No it isn't. They should never become "federal dollars" in the first place. Let taxpayers keep it available for city or county school boards to access, or (God forbid!) parents to spend on schooling as they see fit.

You people are just like Democrats. You don't care that people who need the money to do the job are exceptionally lucky if they get 25% of what the government stole for the purpose. Even if you have so damned much faith in your GOP gods that you actually think it won't be used for tyranny, say, no grubby federal fingers in education at all because inefficiency!

Republicans are such cucks that they don't even want to eradicate ED. Jesus help us.

I agree that the money should have never been taken, but that’s not under Trump’s control. He’s doing what he can as the President, which is essentially “look the government took your money, and now it has to be spent as directed by congress- we are just going to do whatever it takes to make sure it’s not being wasted or abused by unelected bureaucrats.”

The whole point of this is to get the slimy fingers of blue hair freaks away from the endless theft of education money. Return it to the states, as much as possible. That’s as close to a Ron Paul position as we can get in this current situation, and anyone who cares about shrinking the influence of the federal government should be at least on board with this as a starting point. My opinion is that those who can’t even acknowledge that this is a good step in the right direction are being intellectually dishonest or just downright stupid. If that’s the libertarian position, you can’t go acting all surprised when nobody takes you seriously. These rants by some here are indistinguishable from the liberals posting on blue sky.

 

[acptulsa]

These rants by some here are indistinguishable from the liberals posting on blue sky.

Damned right they do, but it isn't libertarians who sound like liberals, it's you people screeching about how the hoops you want people to jump through are better than the hoops "they" want people to jump through.

So the money's already there. You really act like that's a valid excuse for you acting just like them. One person could count students per district and apportion 99.99% of that straight out to local school boards, take the rest as his salary, and be done with it. Don't even act like anyone is being "forced" to make us jump through the hoops. It's the exact same bullshit excuse libs make, and we aren't hypocrite enough to buy it half the time.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Damned right they do, but it isn't libertarians who sound like liberals, it's you people screeching about how the hoops you want people to jump through are better than the hoops "they" want people to jump through.

So the money's already there. You really act like that's a valid excuse for you acting just like them. One person could count students per district and apportion 99.99% of that straight out to local school boards, take the rest as his salary, and be done with it. Don't even act like anyone is being "forced" to make us jump through the hoops. It's the exact same bullshit excuse libs make, and we aren't hypocrite enough to buy it half the time.

Trump is doing what he can in spite of Congress, you want to obstruct so that nothing gets done by demanding what he can't do.

 

[acptulsa]

...what he can't do.

Everybody is sick of your proclamations from la-la land. Post proof of this claim.

 

[asurfaholic]

Damned right they do, but it isn't libertarians who sound like liberals, it's you people screeching about how the hoops you want people to jump through are better than the hoops "they" want people to jump through.

So the money's already there. You really act like that's a valid excuse for you acting just like them. One person could count students per district and apportion 99.99% of that straight out to local school boards, take the rest as his salary, and be done with it. Don't even act like anyone is being "forced" to make us jump through the hoops. It's the exact same bullshit excuse libs make, and we aren't hypocrite enough to buy it half the time.

Sigh.

What are you proposing the executive branch do? The money was already taxed and congress already gave the budget to the various departments to spend.

I’m completely lost on what hoops you are suggesting anyone demanded you to jump through. Is closing the department to the maximum extent allowed by law not enough? Maybe so, but it’s a great start. What would you like to see the president to?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Everybody is sick of your proclamations from la-la land. Post proof of this claim.

Congress created the Education department by law, it passed the taxes by law, it allocated money to the Education department by law.

All of those things require Congress to reverse, all Trump can do is either send the money to the states through the department or impound it and return it to the Treasury where the feds will spend it on other probably worse things.

You need to learn basic civics.

 

[acptulsa]

Congress blah blah...

Are you a human or a parrot? What is there about a guy at ED apportioning his budget to all the nation's school districts per student and with no strings--or hoops--attached that doesn't meet every requirement you and the surfer dude just blathered?

The answer is as plain as the noses on your faces. Trump used to be a Democrat. He still is a Democrat because once a Democrat always a Democrat. He wants us jumping through hoops. Specifically, he wants us jumping through Netanyahu's hoops

 

[acptulsa]

You need to learn basic civics.

You need to learn basic manners.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Are you a human or a parrot? What is there about a guy at ED apportioning his budget to all the nation's school districts per student and with no strings--or hoops--attached that doesn't meet every requirement you and the surfer dude just blathered?

The answer is as plain as the noses on your faces. Trump used to be a Democrat. He still is a Democrat because once a Democrat always a Democrat. He wants us jumping through hoops. Specifically, he wants us jumping through Netanyahu's hoops

So, you want to give it to the corrupt local government schools instead of making it available to parents to send their kids to private schools?
Trump is giving money back to the people, you are giving it to the Teachers' Unions.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Here in AZ we have an ESA program where the parent get to decide where the education dollars go. If you want to spend it at a public school, that's your choice. Want to spend it at a charter school or a Montessori school, that's your choice. Let the public schools compete for customers and the students win.

This is what should happen with those federal dollars. Send the funds to the parents that paid the taxes and let them spend them in the free market of educational choices. The result will be a more robust market with more solutions for children.

Randi Weingarten and her mob loses. The students win!

This is the post that started the conversation.

 

[acptulsa]

...you want to give it to the corrupt local government schools instead of making it available to parents to send their kids to private schools?

No.

Why isn't your orange god doing that, either? Why is he preserving, protecting and defending ED's power instead?

There's a way he really could give it to people. I don't see him doing it. So what are you on about? All you're doing is making him look bad. Even you can think of that, and he can't? Or is he just too much a cuck to make this executive branch agency do it?

 

[Swordsmyth]

No.

Why isn't your orange god doing that, either? Why is he preserving, protecting and defending ED's power instead?

There's a way he really could give it to people. I don't see him doing it. So what are you on about?

Funny, because that's exactly what you said to do:

What is there about a guy at ED apportioning his budget to all the nation's school districts per student and with no strings--or hoops--attached

And Trump is not protecting, preserving, or defending the ED, he's doing everything within his power to destroy it.

How many times do I have to tell you that gaslighting doesn't work?

 

[acptulsa]

Funny, because that's exactly what you said to do:


And Trump is not protecting, preserving, or defending the ED, he's doing everything within his power to destroy it.

How many times do I have to tell you that gaslighting doesn't work?

And yet, you keep trying to gaslight everyone. Isn't that funny?

For instance, you pretend like I just denied having suggested an apportionment to public school districts. What really happened, as everyone can see, is you asked me if I had a problem with vouchers and I said no.

And yes, even federal vouchers would keep the ED powerful. They'd set the hoops private schools have to jump through to be eligible for vouchers. And even if Trump's working on vouchers now, setting up those very hoops for private schools to jump through is the only thing that could possibly be taking him this long.

But no. He's not only not gutting the bureau even that much, he's not even teasing us with vouchers. What will your excuses be when business continues as usual?

 

[Swordsmyth]

And yet, you keep trying to gaslight everyone. Isn't that funny?

For instance, you pretend like I just denied having suggested an apportionment to public school districts. What really happened, as everyone can see, is you asked me if I had a problem with vouchers and I said no.

And yes, even federal vouchers would keep the ED powerful. They'd set the hoops private schools have to jump through to be eligible for vouchers. And even if Trump's working on vouchers now, setting up those very hoops for private schools to jump through is the only thing that could possibly be taking him this long.

But no. He's not only not gutting the bureau even that much, he's not even teasing us with vouchers. What will your excuses be when business continues as usual?

You denied proposing what you said should be done instead of what Cleaner proposed that you attacked him for.

You absolutely opposed giving to parents for school choice and said that it should just be handed to the local school districts with no strings attached instead.

All your posts are here for everyone to see, why do you act as if they aren't?
You can't just reverse positions when called out for what is right here in black and white and pretend you held the new position all along.
Just like you can't claim Trump is protecting and preserving the ED when he's doing everything he can to eliminate it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

First you demanded that Trump magically eliminate the ED and the taxes that fund it without Congress (he's pushing Congress to do both), then when it was pointed out that he couldn't you demanded that he send the money to the local government schools without strings instead of the plan to send it to parents for school choice.

 

[acptulsa]

You absolutely opposed giving to parents for school choice and said that it should just be handed to the local school districts with no strings attached instead.

All your posts are here for everyone to see, why do you act as if they aren't?

I didn't speak in opposition to anything but ED, and anyone can see that. I accepted vouchers as a counter-proposal readily, without even discussing the one reservation I have about them until you asked. This, too, anyone can see.

Anyone can also see that you refuse to say why Trump isn't even doing that. Anyone can instead see you toxically attacking me in a desperate attempt to distract them from that question.

"Instead of". You just said I said that. Anyone can see you lied.

It's an executive branch agency. Why isn't Alpha Orange taking charge of it? And if he has, why are you having to resort to deflection, denial and distraction on the subject? Because there's existential money that has to be spent? That simply doesn't explain why strings are still being attached to the stuff.

Has it never occurred to you that while you go around wringing your hands in dismay over the idea that Trump should shift money without attaching federal strings to it, you're talking about the very vehicle built for the purpose of giving Soros and his ilk the means to corrupt all the schools, public and private? Dump federal strings attached and jumping hoops in the damned woods already! It can be done around Congress

 

[Anti Globalist]

Who cares. In 3.75 years, a Democrat will just bring it back anyway.

Who cares. In 3.75 years, a Democrat will just bring it back anyway.

I hope not. A Democratic victory in 2028 pretty much guarantees they win 2032 as well. No way in Hell are we going to see two one term Democratic presidents back to back.

 

[Snowball]

I hope not. A Democratic victory in 2028 pretty much guarantees they win 2032 as well. No way in Hell are we going to see two one term Democratic presidents back to back.

maybe not soon, but eventually, it will be brought back. the majority of Americans seem to want it.

no, I don't...

 

[Swordsmyth]

I didn't speak in opposition to anything but ED, and anyone can see that. I accepted vouchers as a counter-proposal readily, without even discussing the one reservation I have about them until you asked. This, too, anyone can see.

Anyone can also see that you refuse to say why Trump isn't even doing that. Anyone can instead see you toxically attacking me in a desperate attempt to distract them from that question.

"Instead of". You just said I said that. Anyone can see you lied.

It's an executive branch agency. Why isn't Alpha Orange taking charge of it? And if he has, why are you having to resort to deflection, denial and distraction on the subject? Because there's existential money that has to be spent? That simply doesn't explain why strings are still being attached to the stuff.

Has it never occurred to you that while you go around wringing your hands in dismay over the idea that Trump should shift money without attaching federal strings to it, you're talking about the very vehicle built for the purpose of giving Soros and his ilk the means to corrupt all the schools, public and private? Dump federal strings attached and jumping hoops in the damned woods already! It can be done around Congress

Trump is going to send the money to the states and parents for school choice so that parents can get their kids out of the communism factories.

You did oppose what Cleaner said, and when it was pointed out that Trump couldn't do as you demanded you didn't then agree with Cleaner, you demanded the money be sent to the school districts without strings to better fund the communism factories.

Trump is demanding Congress eliminate the ED, and he is doing as much as he can to leave it a hollow shell, he can't do any more than he is doing.

Anyone can see who is the liar here.

 

[Anti Federalist]