Trump SAVES 1000 Carrier Jobs!....

[phill4paul]

Long term or short term? If the solution to a government created problem is more government then it might be a net positive in the short run, but the long run it almost always goes bad.

Long term, short term? I'm speaking of the here and now. 1100 workers kept their $70k a year job. They are not drawing unemployment.

 

[Krugminator2]

The liberal butthurt is going crazy on this. They look at Indianas tax incentives to stay as a form of corporate welfare without realizing that it is a net positive for Indiana if those 1000 workers went on unemployment. These idiots just do not see the big picture.

Dude. Bruh. It is corporate welfare.

And your explanation for why it is okay is the same explanation to justify every bailout. It is always sold that it is net economic positive and it would cost more to pay workers unemployment benefits than the cost of the bailout.

 

[phill4paul]

Dude. Bruh. It is corporate welfare.

And your explanation for why it is okay is the same explanation to justify every bailout. It is always sold that it is net economic positive and it would cost more to pay workers unemployment benefits than the cost of the bailout.

It wouldn't cost more. It would cost about equal. Did the bailouts guarantee 3 times the amount in reinvestment? Didn't think so. And Carrier isn't in any danger of going bankrupt. This isn't a bailout. Please try again.

 

[EBounding]

 

[phill4paul]

This was a state issue. Not a Federal issue. The state of Indiana negotiated with Carrier to keep the company there. The deal was a NET POSITIVE for the taxpayers at large and families employed. He's wrong on this one. Hopefully there will be many more "subsidies" to come in many states and the workers in this country can get back to working again.

 

[tod evans]

sub·si·dy
ˈsəbsədē/
noun
1.
a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

Maybe in Amash's mind there's money traveling FROM government TO Carrier?

Government would collect zero taxes from them if their manufacturing took place in Mx., no income taxes on the labor, no property taxes, no sales taxes on the monies spent for utilities and infrastructure.

Every business should hold governments feet to the fire, what they're getting for the money paid isn't worth it.

Only a politician (or a fucking idiot) would construe money not collected in tax revenue as a subsidy.

 

[tod evans]

This was a state issue. Not a Federal issue. The state of Indiana negotiated with Carrier to keep the company there. The deal was a NET POSITIVE for the taxpayers at large and families employed. He's wrong on this one. Hopefully there will be many more "subsidies" to come in many states and the workers in this country can get back to working again.

Using this analogy you're getting a 30% subsidy on your jobs Phil.....

 

[phill4paul]

sub·si·dy
ˈsəbsədē/
noun
1.
a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive.

Maybe in Amash's mind there's money traveling FROM government TO Carrier?

Government would collect zero taxes from them if their manufacturing took place in Mx., no income taxes on the labor, no property taxes, no sales taxes on the monies spent for utilities and infrastructure.

Every business should hold governments feet to the fire, what they're getting for the money paid isn't worth it.

Only a politician (or a fucking idiot) would construe money not collected in tax revenue as a subsidy.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tod evans again.

 

[phill4paul]

Using this analogy you're getting a 30% subsidy on your jobs Phil.....

Not following?

 

[tod evans]

Not following?

You should gladly give your 30% tithe to the government godz like all businesses....

If you don't, or you work another deal, you're guilty of accepting a subsidy.

See how that 'logic' works?

 

[phill4paul]

You should gladly give your 30% tithe to the government godz like all businesses....

If you don't, or you work another deal, you're guilty of accepting a subsidy.

See how that 'logic' works?

Understood.

 

[nikcers]

Long term, short term? I'm speaking of the here and now. 1100 workers kept their $70k a year job. They are not drawing unemployment.

I am sick and tired of this benevolent leader fallacy. The government can't create winners. The government can't solve a problem that the government creates. If you subsidize the cost of doing business then it fucks with the entire industry. The cost of doing businesses is what controls the price, and without these signals being sent to business, without these market pressures it ripples through the entire industry and sometimes the entire economy.

 

[phill4paul]

I am sick and tired of this benevolent leader fallacy. The government can't create winners. The government can't solve a problem that the government creates. If you subsidize the cost of doing business then it fucks with the entire industry. The cost of doing businesses is what controls the price, and without these signals being sent to business, without these market pressures it ripples through the entire industry and sometimes the entire economy.

Then go shack up with some libs. They are all a twitter about the government giving a tax break to a company that actually becomes a net positive for the taxpayers of Indiana and the the workers at Carrier.

 

[nikcers]

Then go shack up with some libs. They are all a twitter about the government giving a tax break to a company that actually becomes a net positive for the taxpayers of Indiana and the the workers at Carrier.

What did you think would happen if the republican party elected a democrat.

 

[Danke]

What did you think would happen if the republican party elected a democrat.

 

[Krugminator2]

Here is a quote in Justin Amash's Twitter profile

"Laws must be general, equal, and certain.' —F.A. Hayek"

Is a company specific tax break general, equal and certain? No, it isn't.

 

[nikcers]

Here is a quote in Justin Amash's Twitter profile

"Laws must be general, equal, and certain.' —F.A. Hayek"

Is a company specific tax break general, equal and certain? No, it isn't.

Thank you!! It has nothing to do with paying your fair share, it creates market conditions for the business not to cut costs, be more efficient, innovate, or even mal investment to be liquidated. It makes a business act like a government, and we all know how well those are at creating wealth.

 

[AuH20]

 

[Krugminator2]

Thank you!! It has nothing to do with paying your fair share, it creates market conditions for the business not to cut costs, be more efficient, innovate, or even mal investment to be liquidated. It makes a business act like a government, and we all know how well those are at creating wealth.

You are right. It completely distorts incentives. It makes lobbying a profitable and eventually necessary endeavor. If you don't lobby for a tax break then a competitor will. So business has to work to pacify government instead of serving their customers.

Look at what this maniac is saying. Companies Will Not Leave the U.S. ‘Without Consequences’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-ad...-will-not-leave-the-u-s-without-consequences/

 

[nikcers]

I wonder what Ron Paul says about safety nets and nanny states and protectionism. Are we treating symptoms of our illness or are we taking drugs for side effects for drugs that we are already taking that are the cause of our illness?