Trump Reverses His Stance on Torture

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By Damian Paletta

WASHINGTON—Leading GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump said Friday he wouldn’t order the U.S. military to break international laws, addressing criticism from military and legal experts that his policies regarding torture and killing the family members of terrorists would violate the Geneva Convention.

Mr. Trump, in a statement to The Wall Street Journal, said he would “use every legal power that I have to stop these terrorist enemies. I do, however, understand that the United States is bound by laws and treaties and I will not order our military or other officials to violate those laws and will seek their advice on such matters. I will not order a military officer to disobey the law. It is clear that as president I will be bound by laws just like all Americans and I will meet those responsibilities.”

This appears to be a reversal from Thursday night’s GOP debate in Detroit, when Mr. Trump stood by earlier proposals to do things that were a “hell of a lot worse” than waterboarding terrorist suspects and also authorize the military to kill family members of terrorists.

“I’ve always been a leader,” he said Thursday night. “I’ve never had any problem leading people. If I say do it, they’re going to do it. That’s what leadership is all about.”

Former Central Intelligence Agency Director Michael Hayden, said last week that the military would flatly refuse to obey orders to commit torture or kill family members of terrorists, which would break international laws.

Michael Schmitt, director of the Stockton Center for the Study of International Law at the U.S. Naval War College, said in an interview that ordering the military to torture terror suspects would violate Article 17 of the 1949 Geneva Convention, and people who participate in torture—as well as their superiors and even the U.S. government—could face war crime charges for such behavior.

Ordering the military to kill the family members of terrorists is a legal term known as “collective punishment,” which is prohibited under in the laws of war.

“You may punish an individual for his or her violations of the laws of war, but you may not in any way harm others,” Mr. Schmitt said. He said it has been “universally agreed that it is unlawful.”

“We are bound by treaties and then we are bound by the customs of war, they have legal significance,” Mr. Schmitt said. “You can be prosecuted for violations of the customary laws of war.”

Mr. Trump’s new position comes after months of insisting that he wouldn’t back down.

On Dec. 2, Mr. Trump said in an interview on Fox News that killing the family members of terrorists was a necessary deterrent.

“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families,” Mr. Trump said. “They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families.”
 
Trump knows that his die-hard supporters don’t care what his actual positions / policy prescriptions are, and therefore don’t care when he changes them.

This is the beginning of Trump’s pivot to the center for the General Election, so he can assuage the sensibilities of more mainstream voters, so they can say to themselves “oh he really isn’t that bad”
 
Trump knows that his die-hard supporters don’t care what his actual positions / policy prescriptions are, and therefore don’t care when he changes them.

This is the beginning of Trump’s pivot to the center for the General Election, so he can assuage the sensibilities of more mainstream voters, so they can say to themselves “oh he really isn’t that bad”

We knew it was coming. I think he started too soon though. He should've waited to pivot until after the primaries on the 15th. He should have the nomination all but wrapped up at that point, or at least he would have.
 
We knew it was coming. I think he started too soon though. He should've waited to pivot until after the primaries on the 15th. He should have the nomination all but wrapped up at that point, or at least he would have.

Well some of us knew from the get-go that Trump was just a bloviating bag of hot air with no coherent principle except that he should be in charge. How any self-respecting Liberty person could support such a candidate is beyond me. Supporting someone because he's so bad that he would cause the system to implode is stupid and shortsighted, and no excuse.

If Trump's pivot is early and a tactical error, we can be thankful for that. But I suspect that he knows his audience--the same one that watches his "reality" shows and gambles away their rent money in his casinos--all too well, and the pivot is perfectly timed.
 
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“I’ve always been a leader,” he said Thursday night. “I’ve never had any problem leading people. If I say do it, they’re going to do it. That’s what leadership is all about.”

He needs to read one of his own leadership books. More carrot, less stick.

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Wow. More caving to the PC comity. Rules of war is as dumb as rules of self defense. 'But be nice' smfh and dsff
 
If he is legitimately changing his stance, I think it's a great thing.

Now if he changes some more things, he might be someone I might want as President or maybe even vote for.
 
If he is legitimately changing his stance, I think it's a great thing.

Now if he changes some more things, he might be someone I might want as President or maybe even vote for.

Me too, in fact you've convinced me to vote for him.
 
Looks like Trump is pretty easily manipulated.

More like tRump is great at manipulating. He get's the benefit of sounding like a hard ass....but then his supporters can turn around and say "See? He's not so bad afterall." It's interesting that apparently the only thing he has against killing innocent people is that it might violate international law. A moral person would ba against killing innocent people regardless. And "They kill us but we can't kill them" doesn't mean "They kill our innocents so we can kill their innocents."
 
or may even he contemplates his words and actually think things through....or maybe he just guesses. I think he think things through

My take is that he shoots his mouth off, in a knee jerk fashion. His reactions to the crimes of terrorists (like the ISIS and Al Nusra videos) are emotional. He says stuff without thinking it through and when he is called out or becomes more informed, he changes his position. I think he did that with late term abortion.

I find this indignation from the national security & military sector to be very disingenuous. You'd think Abu Ghraib and some of the shit at Gitmo never happened and that these fuckers knew nothing about it. And, since when aren't these people all about following orders? How many soldiers can refuse an order and not get a court martial? Wasn't there some soldier who refused to obey UN command and got in big trouble for it?

Trump is certainly full of shit with the torture and killing families of terrorists BS but these people criticizing him make their livings on mass killing.
 
Let's judge a candidate less on his words and more on his actions. Unless his last name is Paul, then do the opposite.
 
I thought we wanted Trump to have a change of heart on this issue.

You have captive an accomplice to the kidnapping of your family members with the whereabouts of his accomplices and your family. By what means would you use to gain that information?

Do you:

A. Use any means necessary

B. Use only polite means

?
 
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