Trump May Not Seek Re-election: Rand Paul

[Ender]

This is exactly what I was going to say. Only thing I'd add is they also threw Carson in for Rand's minority outreach.

Exactly.

 

[RonPaulMall]

The neocons have Pence in place and guaranteed as the next GOP pick. He will be their greatest victory yet.

Which is why Trump needs to run again in 2020. By 2024 it is possible the Neocons will have been purged and it will give Don Jr. the necessary time to establish himself as Trump's natural successor.

 

[William Tell]

The dead horse of how Trump could have been beat has long since rotted away. The question now isn't about how to beat a particular candidate, it's how to actually win future elections. The American people voted for Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and other in large numbers. A lot stayed home instead but that's true of any election. Bottom line short of converting the general population to liberty you need to appeal to the average man on the street who voted for these other guys.

every election is different, if Trump wasn't in the race his whole coalition would have been won by other candidates for different reasons. You can try to learn from history but you can't replicate it. Especially since Trump is now the head of state, the candidates of 2020 won't be running against Crooked Hillary, they will be trying to win the primary and whoever does will be trying to sell the idea of continued Republican leadership. In other words they will have to deal with Trump's baggage of 4 years while having none of his assets of 2016.

You can't win a Republican primary with the youth vote, because it barely exists. Anyone who's spent time at the polls on a primary election day knows that. Now, maybe the youth can propel you from 45% to 51% so it shouldn't be discounted.

You can't win a primary by relying solely on ideology. You need to have a coalition of ideological voters along with people who you appeal to on a more emotional level. You need to have strategy but you also need to keep it simple. Make America Great again was marketing genius. It worked better than any other slogan because everyone repeated it even those who made fun of Trump from all angles. You need a candidate to be viewed as the most something in the polls, trustworthy? strong? most likely to shake things up? There are countless ways to win votes

We need to win. But we got our asses kicked last time. Time to face reality.

 

[undergroundrr]

You can't win a Republican primary with the youth vote, because it barely exists. Anyone who's spent time at the polls on a primary election day knows that. Now, maybe the youth can propel you from 45% to 51% so it shouldn't be discounted.

I'll go so far as to say (for the time being at least) you can't win the Republican primary IF you have the youth vote. The Republican primary winner will have natural appeal to 70+ voters. Rand might have that in 20 or 30 years. The people who determine the Republican candidate will run screaming from youth, new ideas and progress. trump, to the good fortune of his supporters, had none of these.

Make America Great again was marketing genius. It worked better than any other slogan because everyone repeated it even those who made fun of Trump from all angles.

It also massively appealed to 70+ who naturally want things to go back to how they used to be, whatever and whenever that was.

 

[nobody's_hero]

The dead horse of how Trump could have been beat has long since rotted away. The question now isn't about how to beat a particular candidate, it's how to actually win future elections. The American people voted for Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and other in large numbers. A lot stayed home instead but that's true of any election. Bottom line short of converting the general population to liberty you need to appeal to the average man on the street who voted for these other guys.

every election is different, if Trump wasn't in the race his whole coalition would have been won by other candidates for different reasons. You can try to learn from history but you can't replicate it. Especially since Trump is now the head of state, the candidates of 2020 won't be running against Crooked Hillary, they will be trying to win the primary and whoever does will be trying to sell the idea of continued Republican leadership. In other words they will have to deal with Trump's baggage of 4 years while having none of his assets of 2016.

You can't win a Republican primary with the youth vote, because it barely exists. Anyone who's spent time at the polls on a primary election day knows that. Now, maybe the youth can propel you from 45% to 51% so it shouldn't be discounted.

You can't win a primary by relying solely on ideology. You need to have a coalition of ideological voters along with people who you appeal to on a more emotional level. You need to have strategy but you also need to keep it simple. Make America Great again was marketing genius. It worked better than any other slogan because everyone repeated it even those who made fun of Trump from all angles. You need a candidate to be viewed as the most something in the polls, trustworthy? strong? most likely to shake things up? There are countless ways to win votes

We need to win. But we got our asses kicked last time. Time to face reality.

Spot-on analysis.

The perception was that Trump was the outsider. He established that from the start. Whether or not that was or is actually the case is irrelevant, because in the eyes of the voters, by process of elimination, anyone who attacked him from that point on was considered establishment. Rand would have done better to hold his fire a bit longer in the race until the field became narrowed so that he might actually have debated Trump on policy (the current state of debates is pretty lousy, though, 'Candidate X, what is your favorite color? Now to candidate B, what is your response to candidate X's reply?'). Even so, watching these candidates line up to attack Trump was watching a fight in a low budget ninja film. I had to close my eyes at times.

Politics is more about perception than principles or policy.

 

[Aratus]

Senator Rand Paul said on Sunday night that even though the president is raising millions for a 2020 campaign, Republicans should not assume he's running.

“There could well be a primary," the junior senator from Kentucky said on MSNBC, after being asked if a 2020 primary would be good for the Republican Party.

Paul had prefaced his remark by saying Republicans "need to know [if] President Trump [is] running for re-election. I think you won't know that until you get into sort of second, third year of his presidency."


Paul’s comment echoes what Trump insider and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie told the Today show's Matt Lauer on October 27: "If he runs again I would support him, yes, but I'm not so sure what will happen."

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-may-not-seek-reelection-140318114.html

I would like to see Paul run again. A bit of sanity in politics would be nice.

The neocons have Pence in place and guaranteed as the next GOP pick. He will be their greatest victory yet.

Far too early to see how anything is gonna shake out.

Let’s hope not I think once was enough for everybody. I’m kinda seeing 20-20 for 2020, is there a doctor in the house?

If Trump doesnt run in 2020, it'll be because he accomplished what he set out to do (MAGA)

Did you consult the Magic 8 ball?

Trump's the perfect example of how totally unprincipled people are natural actors.

Rand and Ron are perfect examples of the opposite.

Mueller has his focus on Gen'l Flynn and his son, Manafort's trial is in May...

If Donald Trump gets impeached, there may be a Senate Trial. The country is

head up now, all I want Rand Paul to do is to vote his principles, and if possible

run in 2020. Vice-President Pence may end up serving out the rest of DJT's

term if the news out of Washington gets any worse. I want unity in the USA.

 

[Aratus]

I don't think Mike Pence can unite our political factions, and until the Democrats unify behind a much younger
POTUS contender, Bernie and Hillary will go at it anew. Both parties need to find a new consensus, Trump has
divided us even worse. I have not seen our country this angry in my long 6 decade lifetime. We have a dearth
of leadership not unlike the generation that fought our great Civil War. We need to repair our political process
to drive the fast & easy money from it. Each change from now on has to be carefully thought out, not feckless.

 

[timosman]

I don't think Mike Pence can unite our political factions, and until the Democrats unify behind a much younger
POTUS contender, Bernie and Hillary will go at it anew. Both parties need to find a new consensus, Trump has
divided us even worse. I have not seen our country this angry in my long 6 decade lifetime. We have a dearth
of leadership not unlike the generation that fought our great Civil War. We need to repair our political process
to drive the fast & easy money from it. Each change from now on has to be carefully thought out, not feckless.

Allright Nostradamus, anything else you would like to enlighten us with? I also admire your impeccable text alignment. Great job.

 

[Aratus]

Allright Nostradamus, anything else you would like to enlighten us with? I also admire your impeccable text alignment. Great job.

I keep on forgetting what looks tidy on my lil ole tablet might be jumbled up prose-poems to Dadaism on someone else's system interface. Admittedly I did not even start to opine on the abysmal trouncing many GOP types just recieved at the polls over much of yesterday. This was not even a bi-election, only special elections had D.C seats in play, this all was pretty much state and local contests. This is an odd numbered year, expect 2018 to be brutal on the GOP as the party hacks avoid D.J Trump like the plague. Control in the House is in play, the Senate is about to flip in a big way. Moderate Republicans sense a voter backlash, they are in a tough position for they must defend POTUS to the voters knowing fully well his chosen few are making out like bandits or even hogs at the slopping trough... Trump's GOP foes only get crumbs from his table. Everyone knows how the public monies are being looted at the current hour. This administration is very corrupt. Problem is, the younger voters tend to be idealistic, honest and think Democrat. Trump's many scandals are sinking right wing Republicans. Senator Rand Paul is one of the few candidates on the Republican right who does not look like he's on the take. He alone has a chance in 2020 because he has been honest with the voters...

 

[Aratus]

100 million Americans had contests they could vote in, yesterday. There was quite a string of flipped seats inside a rising "blue" tide...

 

[helenpaul]

Ideas only matter if you have a platform for them. When dems take over the senate in 2018 then no conservative idea will see the light of day though no conservative legislation will pass under republican control either.

 

[mello]

That would be an interesting scenario if Pence for some inexplicable reason, not able to go for a second term. We already know that Trump likes Rand and listens to him. If Rand could somehow be the vice-president for Trump's second term, that would definitely give him the momentum to run for president after Trump.

 

[mello]

OH PLEASE. Rand killed his own chances. He did it all by himself. If he had wanted to kill his campaign, he couldn't have done a better job of it. Now, THAT is the truth. Deal with it.

When Trump got in the race it suddenly became Trump News, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Multiple news networks were showing his campaign stops in their entirety. I'd never seen anything like that before. I'm assuming the networks did that because Trump didn't have a filter and he got ratings when he was on. Same with all those late night talk show hosts had Trump in deep rotation since it was so easy to write jokes about him. If I remember correctly, Trump got 30,000 times more coverage than all the other Republican candidates combined.

That was the real problem. The MSM's coverage was so one-sided, that they essentially helped Trump get into the White House. Now they're horrified.

 

[nikcers]

That would be an interesting scenario if Pence for some inexplicable reason, not able to go for a second term. We already know that Trump likes Rand and listens to him. If Rand could somehow be the vice-president for Trump's second term, that would definitely give him the momentum to run for president after Trump.

I am sure Trump has a price tag if we could just start a kickstarter we might be able to buy access to the Trump presidency. Maybe we could get Ron Paul on a moneybomb or something. Even then I don't think we could out bid the kochs or Exxon.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I'll go so far as to say (for the time being at least) you can't win the Republican primary IF you have the youth vote. The Republican primary winner will have natural appeal to 70+ voters. Rand might have that in 20 or 30 years. The people who determine the Republican candidate will run screaming from youth, new ideas and progress. trump, to the good fortune of his supporters, had none of these.

Trump was unpopular among millennials, but wildly popular among the so called General Zyklon . Indeed, his overwhelming support among the white youth of Generation Z is higher than any other age cohort, including 70+ voters. And I think you saw that play out in the campaign. Trump was by far the cooler, hipper, candidate who had all the creative energy of the youth working for him.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/poll-trump-dominates-with-generation-z/

 

[Raginfridus]

Which is why Trump needs to run again in 2020... it will give Don Jr. the necessary time to establish himself as Trump's natural successor.

Exactly, Trump's building himself a political dynasty, like many others past. He's in this to win yuuuge, not quit after 4 years.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Exactly, Trump's building himself a political dynasty, like many others past. He's in this to win yuuuge, not quit after 4 years.

But Rand definitely did the right thing (in terms of staying on Trump's good side) by suggesting Trump might not run because that is surely the posture Trump himself is going to take. Trump will want his announcement that he's running again to be as dramatic as possible so he's going to float the idea that he's "deliberating" on whether or not to run for another term in the build up to the big reveal.

 

[nikcers]

But Rand definitely did the right thing (in terms of staying on Trump's good side) by suggesting Trump might not run because that is surely the posture Trump himself is going to take. Trump will want his announcement that he's running again to be as dramatic as possible so he's going to float the idea that he's "deliberating" on whether or not to run for another term in the build up to the big reveal.

he's also 71 not many more good years left..

 

[The Rebel Poet]

he's also 71 not many more good years left..

Are you suggesting there were good years?

 

[cindy25]

he is building a dynasty, which is why he may not run; none of his children would run while he is inoffice, but I can see a scenario where Trump steps down in 2020; and Ivanka runs for gov of NY in 2022' people will be sick of Cuomo by then; 75 is a practical time to step down.

in any case Rand and Justin should. be ready