Trump just stated he is open to funding planned parenthood... Is this the final straw?

[specsaregood]

This isnt even close to the same. We give them money under the premise that they spend it with us.

So say we give them $500 million and they buy $500 million in airplanes from Northrop. Not a single dollar goes to their abortion schemes, because I have every single dollar accounted for.

PP doesnt have ever dollar accounted for. Thats why its fungible.

It is exactly the same thing. That 500 million that we give them that they spent with us is 500 million they have extra in their pocket to spend on abortions. This is the exact argument the GOP uses to say we shouldn't fund planned parenthood. I love Randal; but he voted to fund abortions in Israel, its a fact.

 

[Sola_Fide]

If this is the final straw for Trump, then people haven't been paying attention.

 

[Occam's Banana]

This isnt even close to the same. We give them money under the premise that they spend it with us.

So say we give them $500 million and they buy $500 million in airplanes from Northrop. Not a single dollar goes to their abortion schemes, because I have every single dollar accounted for.

PP doesnt have ever dollar accounted for. Thats why its fungible.

That is not why it is fungible. "Fungible" does not mean "unaccounted for" or "not earmarked for some particular use." Money is fungible because every unit of it is interchangeable with any other unit of it (regardless of whether some number of units of it can be accounted for in some particular use or not).

For example: When we give Israel $500 million dollars to buy $500 million worth of planes from us, we "free them up" to spend $500 million worth of their own money on other things (such as abortion subsidies). This is money that they would not otherwise have been able to spend without reducing their expenditures elsewhere (such as for planes). It has nothing to with whether every single dollar of the $500 million we gave them can be accounted for or not. If we did not give them that $500 million, then they would have to make a choice - more planes and fewer abortions, or fewer planes and more abortions. But when we give them $500 million (even if it is earmarked only for planes and is fully accounted for), then they don't have to make that choice - they can have more planes and more abortions (because money is fungible).

EDIT: To see how this example applies to Planned Parenthood, just replace "Israel" with "Planned Parenthood," replace "$500 million" with whatever amount of federal funding is given to PP, and replace "planes" with "services other than abortion." Thus, Trump's disclaimer that he does not support federal funding of PP-sponsored abortions - but that he does support federal funding of other PP activities - is essentially contradictory. Because money is fungible, federal funding for the latter (PP-sponsored services other than abortion) is tantamount to federal funding for the former (PP-sponsored abortions).

 

[William Tell]

If you read the article, he says absolutely there should be no funding of the abortions and that is the part people are really upset about. I don't think people care whether or not the other services are paid for with taxes.

Funding planned parenthood and not funding abortion, is like someone funding a drug cartel but not funding drug traffic.

 

[William Tell]

I don't want to discuss that jackass Trump anymore.

So lets talk about PP. I'm pro-life. But I am not a religious wack job and support birth control. PP gives out birth control, they don't just provide abortions. We can't control how PP uses the money they get. I can't get behind potentially cutting off funding for birth control that would prevent the need for abortions. So all this defund PP talk just seems pointless to me.

You support taxpayer funded birth control?

 

[hells_unicorn]

I'm not a Papist, try again.

 

[69360]

You support taxpayer funded birth control?

For now sure. Birth control is cheaper than welfare. End the entitlements and I wouldn't.

 

[69360]

Funding planned parenthood and not funding abortion, is like someone funding a drug cartel but not funding drug traffic.

Maybe, but what if PP loses funding, ceases to exist and is replaced by abortion inc. where all they do is kill babies?

 

[brandon]

I actually mostly agree with trump on this one.

 

[kbs021]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015...-off-all-funding-if-they-dont-stop-abortions/

Update to the story. Trump is still beating around the bush with this.. He cannot commit to defunding with a solid answer.

 

[staerker]

Maybe, but what if PP loses funding, ceases to exist and is replaced by abortion inc. where all they do is kill babies?

Your hypothetical is lacking.

Give money to murder inc., because if not, murder inc. might receive funding from someone else!

 

[staerker]

If we don't have murder facilities, people will be murdered in the back alleys! Not a safe or ideal environment!

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Trump thinks Bush gaffed hard over the "we shouldn't be funding women's health" comment last week, so he's trying to split the difference by just opposing funding PP with regards to abortion, not defunding PP in total. For a change, Rand has the cleaner position (defund PP, period) though he'll need to come up with a reply to the "War on Women" backlash that may come with it.

 

[William Tell]

Maybe, but what if PP loses funding, ceases to exist and is replaced by abortion inc. where all they do is kill babies?

I hope they cease to exist. Obviously its bad if something else continues on with their work. One of the worst things about PP is how they mask abortion as women's health, people go there to get mammograms and they are like come back if you need an abortion.

Besides, as Rand pointed out there are tons of places that do the 'other stuff' PP does. Defunding PP is the obvious choice for anyone who doesn't like abortion.

 

[William Tell]

According to O’Donnell, Planned Parenthood gave StemExpress workers access to patient records and schedules so that the harvesting company could plan for the days when patient “supply” would be greatest. “They give you a sheet, and it’s everybody for that day, who’s coming in for an ultrasound, who’s coming in for an abortion, medical or a late-term abortion,” O’Donnell explains. Even patients just seeking a pregnancy test at Planned Parenthood were considered part of the supply: “Pregnancy tests are potential pregnancies, therefore potential specimens. So it’s just taking advantage of the opportunities.”

http://www.centerformedicalprogress...-2-inside-the-planned-parenthood-supply-site/

 

[William Tell]

Trump thinks Bush gaffed hard over the "we shouldn't be funding women's health" comment last week, so he's trying to split the difference by just opposing funding PP with regards to abortion, not defunding PP in total. For a change, Rand has the cleaner position (defund PP, period) though he'll need to come up with a reply to the "War on Women" backlash that may come with it.

His reply has been that there are thousands of clinics that do everything PP does except abortions.

 

[69360]

So are those of you who want to defund PP against birth control?

I am against abortion but fine with birth control.

What I'm trying to get at is that PP is I believe the largest provider of birth control in the country. Defund them and cut off poor people's access to birth control and there will be more abortions or we will all be paying for 18 years of welfare when they start breeding like rabbits.

Show me a plan that gets poor people continued access to birth control to keep potential offspring off the welfare rolls and I'm for defunding PP.

 

[jj-]

Trump: If Planned Parenthood stops doing abortions, fund it. Otherwise, defund it.

At 9:14

 

[kbs021]

Wow so now he is flippin... Really suprised he is having a problem with this.. This is an easy question

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I think this is definitely going to hurt him. The conservatives supporting him are going to be thinking hard after this.. Planned parenthood pissed way too many people off. This was so so stupid.

I don't think you understand this Trump phenomenon. This guy could molest a child on prime time television and even the SoCons who love him would start jabbering about how ‘child molestation isn't really that terrible after all.’ What makes a Trumpster a Trumpster in the first place, is their willingness to abandon any and all principles in favor of pleasure-inducing bluster.