Trump Is Building a Bigger Deep State with the Help of “Libertarian” Peter Thiel

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Ryan McMaken
06/03/2025


Donald Trump is helping build a bigger surveillance state, and naturally, he’s using taxpayer dollars to do it. Since beginning his second term, Donald Trump has joined forces with the CIA front company Palantir to build a massive new database on hundreds of millions of Americans. The database can be used in the future to track and search Americans’ tax returns, bank accounts, spending patterns, travel, and much more.

For months, keen observers of the American surveillance state like Whitney Webb have warned that the so-called Department of Government Efficiency has provided Trump-linked technocrats with access to private information, with the potential of inputting all that data into a central database. Now, the Trump administration has pushed a new contract with the surveillance firm Palantir to do just that.

The Trump administration has long pretended to oppose the so-called “deep state,” but this latest move is simply the latest evidence that the administration has forged a close alliance with its “enemies.”

The New Republic reports:


The Trump administration is collecting data on all Americans, and they are enlisting the data analysis company Palantir to do it.

President Trump has enlisted [Palantir], founded by far-right billionaire Peter Thiel, to carry out his March executive order instructing government agencies to share data with each other. The order has increased fears that the government is putting together a database to wield surveillance powers over the American public.

Since then, the administration has been very quiet about these efforts, increasing suspicion. …

Palantir is speaking with various other agencies across the federal government, including the Social Security Administration and the IRS, about buying its technology, according to the Times. Palantir’s Foundry tool, which analyzes and organizes data, is already being used at the DHS, the Department of Health and Human Services, and at least two other agencies, allowing the White House to compile data from different places.

The administration’s efforts to compile data began under Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency initiative, which sought Americans’ personal data from multiple agencies including the IRS, the SSA, Selective Service, Medicare, and many others.


This latest step toward securing new methods of tracking and compiling Americans’ data represents another augmentation of the American surveillance state that was greatly expanded to unprecedented levels under the George W. Bush administration and expanded during the Obama and Biden years. The Trump-DOGE-Palantir expansion of the American spy state is simply another tool that the federal government can use along side its already enormous data collection efforts under the NSA and similar agencies.

It is too early to know exactly how the federal government will use this data, but the potential is enormous for the future construction of a social credit system, for tracking gun owners, and for related purposes of creating an AI-fueled “pre-crime” database to identify future “criminals.” Who exactly is a criminal, of course, is to be determined at the discretion of future policymakers who will possess the data.


What Is Palantir?

The fact that the Trump administration has chosen to ally itself with Palantir on this matter is telling. Palantir is the poster child for the Pentagon-Big Tech alliance that has been forged by the so-called deep state. Palantir is part and parcel of the ecosystem of quasi-private-sector actors—such as Amazon, Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, and others—who profit extensively from taxpayer-funded government contracts. The owners of these enterprises, perhaps most notably Palantir founder Peter Thiel, often pretend to be “entrepreneurs” while repeatedly expanding their alliances with the federal government and its tax-funded gravy train. These ersatz captains of industry are effectively parasites who profit from tax revenues while using their access to federal policymakers to further crush competition and the market economy.

Palantir and Peter Thiel—who has long cultivated the image of being some kind of libertarian—has an especially shady role. Webb, who has done extensive research on Thiel’s background describes Palantir this way:


Palantir is not just a military contractor, it was a company created to privatize and house the Bush-era, neocon-run surveillance program Total Information Awareness (TIA) program, housed previously at DARPA, and put it under increased CIA control (though the CIA was also intimately involved with TIA). TIA was shut down by Congress because it would have eradicted the constitutional right to privacy, but Palantir has accomplished that and gotten away with it because it is a private sector entity. Palantir’s earliest funder besides Peter Thiel - The CIA Palantir’s first client for its first several years as a company - The CIA Where did Palantir engineers every 2 weeks for years for guidance in developing their products? - CIA HQ Palantir’s originally intended clients per CEO Alex Karp - The CIA If there [ever] was a CIA front company it’s Palantir. (Though Peter Thiel has since quipped that the CIA is a front for Palantir)

Like Palantir’s “predictive policing” efforts, TIA was designed as a pre-crime program to stop both terror attacks and bioterror and even pandemics before they can happen. Palantir has developed the programs to accomplish all of this, the latter through their HHS and CDC partnerships, which will likely be used to pre-emptively declare the next pandemic before any outbreak emerges. Palantir played an outsized role in Op Warp Speed, distributing batches of experimental vaccines to minority communities first.


Notably, Palantir’s Federal Advisory Board includes “distinguished member” Deborah Birx, a chief architect and advocate of the CDC’s covid lockdowns.

Thiel’s close alliance with the American spy state has reaped big rewards. As Forbes reports today, Palantir’s stock holders—of which Thiel is the largest individual owner—have profited solidly from the corporations access to taxpayer dollars. Specifically:


The company has witnessed more than $113 million in federal government expenditures since the new Trump administration took office, stemming from both existing contracts and new agreements with the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon. Palantir is reportedly also in discussions with the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service regarding the use of its technology. Additionally, the company secured a $795 million contract from the Department of Defense in late May.


Although Thiel no longer is personally at the helm of Palantir, he continues to be a major player in ensuring political support for his many Pentagon and CIA-connected endeavors. Thiel has been an enthusiastic advocate of American interventions in the Middle East, offering Palantir tech to help the State of Israel more “efficiently” bomb the residents of Gaza. Naturally, his support for the American foreign-policy “blob” will not go unrewarded.

Politically, Thiel has been careful to fund political candidates who might be useful to the expansion of Thiel’s deep-state empire. In this area, his most successful gambit has been his sponsorship of J.D. Vance. Vance essentially owes his entire political career to Thiel and we can be sure we will hear few protests from Vance on any aspect of Palantir’s alliance with the American state. Fortunately, other protégés of Thiel’s have been less successful. In spite of repeated runs for Congress, for example, Thiel-funded politician Blake Masters has not managed to win a seat in either house of Congress.


Will MAGA Oppose the Trump Deep State?

In numerous ways, the Trump administration is looking more and more like an extension of the George W. Bush years. This is true in its rubber stamping of enormous growth in federal spending, but the White House’s support for expansions of state power reminiscent of the Patriot Act force similar comparisons. Yet, it remains unclear if Trump’s core supporters will object. The political movement known as “MAGA,” after all, has long been notable for defending, more or less, every Trump policy through calls to “trust the plan” and give Trump the benefit of the doubt. There are signs that this attitude may be reaching its limits. Newsweek reports this week:


The reaction from Trump’s supporters reflected growing unease within conservative circles, indicating a rare rupture between the president and key segments of his constituency. …

Numerous pro-Trump voices expressed dismay and feelings of betrayal across social media platforms like X.

“People are so quick to suggest that I flipped on Trump...No, no, no...I didn’t flip on Trump. TRUMP FLIPPED ON US. I’m just not willing to continue living in a LIE, and I will tell you the unfortunate TRUTH about it,” The Patriot Voice wrote on X to his 158,000 followers. …

X user Jack Maxey wondered: “Was MAGA a giant psyop?”

X user @D10Cat wrote: “Is Trump the same man that he was in 2016? Or did I just not see it back then?”


These are hopeful signs, but even if MAGA were to completely abandon Trump on this issue, we’re unlikely to see any shift in policy from the White House. After all, building the surveillance state has been a central project of the US government since 1945, and Trump has shown no enthusiasm for opposing the trend. Moreover, Vance is clearly “Palantir’s man” and every call for “Vance 2024” is likely music to the ears of the deep state and its Big Tech allies.




 
We should probably wave some really big signs over the highway to express our severe dissatisfaction with this
 
If only you’d warned us about stuff like this earlier.

Nobody could see past caravans of "invaders" and fags in libraries.

As if really fixing this wouldn't have fixed those things too.

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Take both sides of what you hear with a 5lb bag of salt.

I don't trust Palantir, but the NYT is the mouth of satan, and they would be praising Biden for doing what they claim is happening, so it's far more likely they are just lying.


Palantir Co-Founder Joe Lonsdale & Former Exec Refute NYT Report Warning Over Surveillance 'Master List'

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I don't trust Palantir, but the NYT is the mouth of satan, and they would be praising Biden for doing what they claim is happening, so it's far more likely they are just lying.

In other words, you're incapable of independent, critical thought, so you can't stand for anything and can't help but fall for everything.

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In other words, you're incapable of independent, critical thought, so you can't stand for anything and can't help but fall for everything.

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LOL

You believe anything from anyone as long as they don't like Trump, no matter how ridiculous or obviously false.

I'm telling people to look at both sides and do their own thinking and not just believe our worst enemies being obvious hypocritical liars.
 
I'm telling people to look at both sides and do their own thinking

Holy shit dude.

Okay, then. Some comedy simply cannot be improved upon.

Though it is amusing to note that you're talking about how untrustworthy the New York Times is in an attempt to poison the well against an article that doesn't quote or refer to it. The New Republic, Whitney Webb, and even Newsweek, yes, but not the Times.

But then you would never suggest that people should never listen to Mises Wire and only listen to zerohedge, right? Being such a champion of looking at "both" sides of everything...

"Well, that is concerning, but zerohedge said the Times said something similar. And we all know that the Times never mixes in a little truth to maintain a shred of credibility, so there's something you can use for plausible deniability..." WTF?
 
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Nobody could see past caravans of "invaders" and fags in libraries.

As if really fixing this wouldn't have fixed those things too.

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I’m sure you know this already, but I’ll say it outright for the sarcasm challenged: InWAS just being facetious. PAF has been posting about this for quite some time now. Mostly he gets ignored. At times he gets ridiculed and attacked. Only NOW, after Trumpy Bear is safely ensconced into power are a few starting to listen, and they’ll probably conveniently forget before it comes time to put the next psychpath in power.
 
You believe anything from anyone as long as they don't like Trump

Must be how I figured out long before you did that Lindsey Graham secretly liked Trump all along.

Like I said, this is all the higher functioning you're capable of:

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You know you're arguing with a complete idiot right?

I thought that's what I said.

I've been reading some Carl Jung for the first time in decades, and find myself doing something I never, ever do -- thinking of him when he's not up in my face. Self-identified Christians who completely fail to understand the most basic concept of Christianity make me sad. They're really missing out...

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No, not the wrong thread. This is federal government v. federal government, nothing organic about it, the problem provoking a reaction designed to steamroll through Palantir's "solution".

 
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by Ron Paul
Jun 16, 2025


On March 20, President Trump signed an executive order “Eliminating Information Silos.” The order directed heads of federal agencies to make sure officials designated by the president “have full and prompt access to all unclassified agency records, data, software systems, and information technology systems.” The executive order did not attract much attention until it was more recently revealed that the administration was working with tech company Palantir to create a database containing all information collected by all federal agencies on all US citizens.

A database consisting of all the information of American citizens collected by the various federal agencies such as the Social Security Administration, the Department of Health and Human Services, and the Pentagon would be a major step in creating a total surveillance state. This database could come in handy to future Dr. Faucis seeking to enforce mask and vaccine mandates. Those with access to this database could see personal health records, education records, and tax returns. They may even be able to see how many firearms individuals have purchased and if they were associated with any organizations the government had labeled “extremist.”

Despite the obvious threat to liberty the “big ugly database” poses, some commentators and “influencers” who would normally oppose, or at least be skeptical of, expansion of the surveillance state are supporting it because they believe it will be used to locate illegal immigrants. Some conservatives are supporting this proposal because it will help identify students who have publicly opposed the U.S. government’s support for Israel’s actions in Gaza. Ironically, many of those supporting government cracking down on “anti-Israel” students came to fame (and in some cases fortune) as critics of “wokeness” and cancel culture.

The abandonment of liberty because fear drives people to trust government promises of safety is a phenomenon we have witnessed several times this century. An obvious example is the way many former friends of freedom supported the PATRIOT Act and other infringements on liberty following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. We also saw it during the covid hysteria when many embraced mask and vaccine mandates. Following the 2008 market meltdown, normally rather staunch opponents of government intervention supported the bailouts because they agreed with then-President George W. Bush who said he had “abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system.”

Palantir, founded in 2003, has worked on helping government become more efficient at collecting and storing information about US citizens. The company, which was named after the seeing stones from J.R.R. Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings, is one of the first companies to see the potential in the surveillance-industrial complex that developed following 9-11 and the PATRIOT Act. Palantir is literally the creation of the surveillance state since one of its early investors was In-Q-Tel, a venture capital firm controlled by the CIA.

Those discouraged by the surveillance state’s continued expansion under President Trump should be encouraged that more Americans than ever, including many who voted for President Trump, are seeing through the lie that the only way we can be safe is to surrender our liberty to politicians, bureaucrats, and crony capitalism. This should inspire us to redouble our efforts to spread the message of liberty.



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Great Big Ugly Surveillance State - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

On March 20, President Trump signed an executive order “Eliminating Information Silos.” The order directed heads of federal agencies to make sure officials designated by the president “have full and prompt access to all unclassified agency records, data, software systems, and information...
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