Trump guts the First Amendment: signs Executive Order suppressing criticism of Israel

[Origanalist]

Oh no i offended the snowflake who sees white racism everywhere lol /s. No i said earlier that they teach passive aggressive hatred towards American culture which includes whites. Just like that whole white replacement gets sidelined because it gets labeled a white thing. Every person growing up in American culture that had to deal with Obama's job killing regulations like Obamacare where job growth in tax funded careers went up while everything else went down and average wages went down while cost of living went up is being replaced by people who are from a culture of a lower standard of living. You dont hear the democrats talking about black replacement even though more black babies are aborted in new york than born because they can't blame the bad orange man for the rise of white nationalism if its not about race. The Obama administration made the cost of living go up and average wages go down and told kids to live with their parents until they were 25 and when they couldn't get a job in a non tax funded field because only medical fields were gaining jobs because baby boomers were getting older and needed more medical treatment they told them to take out a college loan they can't pay back. Do you think its frowned upon to have kids in your moms basement in America culture??? How about when you cant afford them because you took out a college loan because there werent jobs in lower paying fields and you didnt go to medical school so now you have a shit job and are paying off your student loan and cant afford more kids while living an American cultural lifestyle??? Do you think importing a bunch of cheap labor to take all the lower paying jobs while mandating healthcare benefits that employers get around by offering jobs for less than full time hours for the same amount of work because immigrants or okay with the salary or that get passed on to the employee helped people start a family in their moms basement. No but the left wants to make it about absurd racial arguments. They want to say unemployment dropped even though progressives were occupying wallstreet. They want to say Obama recovered the economy even though average salaries went down while the cost of living went up.

Lol, wall of text...
Take a couple breaths, it's good for the blood pressure.

 

[Origanalist]

What is this really about? Probably about setting precedents, and granting governmental powers to a non-government outside organization. Law written by an unaccountable private organization. That should provide more than enough outrage.

Imagine an EO that stated:



How long would that EO stand?

Just to be clear, this latest Trump EO should be unconstitutional based on the fact that it is the Executive Branch delegating Congressional legislative powers to an unaccountable non-governmental organization.

No argument here.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Seems I was a bit off, there is a process.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/hq43e4.html

Interesting. I wonder what constitutes a violation? A teacher preaching BDS? A University approved club preaching BDS? A non-approved club or organization? Simply a group of students? If it’s just a random group of students with no ties to the University, does this mean that the students would have to be expelled, or the school would be found in violation?

 

[acptulsa]

Oh no i offended the snowflake who sees white racism everywhere lol /s.

Do you really see none at all?

Why the attitude? You think you're talking to Gloria Steinem?

 

[nikcers]

Interesting. I wonder what constitutes a violation? A teacher preaching BDS? A University approved club preaching BDS? A non-approved club or organization? Simply a group of students? If it’s just a random group of students with no ties to the University, does this mean that the students would have to be expelled, or the school would be found in violation?

It would be judged by the judge. There would have to be a discrimination lawsuit and it would apply to the University. Case law of anti discrimination lawsuits would be a good place to look. You would have to look at those to even see how the anti discrimination law works in practice.

 

[nikcers]

Do you really see none at all?

Why the attitude? You think you're talking to Gloria Steinem?

I see racial people

 

[Brian4Liberty]

No argument here.

If this EO stands, maybe the GOA needs to see if Trump will appoint them to be the guardians of the Second Amendment.

 

[acptulsa]

I see racial people

Really? Or are you just here to yell at people who were promised pie in the sky bye and bye by fans of a couple of Bushes, Reagan, and even Nixon, and learned to be skeptical because we never got the damned pie?

 

[Created4]

What is this really about?

Probably more symbolic than anything (just like moving the Embassy to Jerusalem), and pandering to the Evangelical crowd (Gary Bauer, Pat Robertson, etc.)

Even that "lefitst" piece in Christianity Today was probably false opposition to get the EV's to circle their wagons...

 

[nikcers]

If this EO stands, maybe the GOA needs to see if Trump will appoint them to be the guardians of the Second Amendment.

It would still be up to a judge and any judgement should defer to the supreme law of the land the constitution if its not decided like existing case law of anti discrimination lawsuits. They can't just decide the anti discrimination laws mean something new.

 

[nikcers]

Really? Or are you just here to yell at people who were promised pie in the sky bye and bye by fans of a couple of Bushes, Reagan, and even Nixon, and learned to be skeptical because we never got the damned pie?

I was told there would be cake.

 

[acptulsa]

I was told there would be cake.

No, Marie Antoinette allegedly said, "Let them eat cake." That's long gone and it's just as well, it sucked even when it wasn't 230 years old. Trump trumped his taco salad.

 

[Stratovarious]

Exactly correct. It's just like when the feds threatened to withold federal highway funds to coerce states into adopting the 55 mph speed limit and to raise drinking ages up to 21. Universities will all fall in line, not one red cent in funding will be withheld and free speech will die a little bit more on campuses.

I absolutely agree that universities should receive no tax dollars but this is not the way to accomplish that. This is an attack on free speech plain and simple using the threat of doing something that ought to be done across the board selectively to accomplish it. "We won't steal other people's money and give it to you unless you help us violate their 1st Amendment rights." Trump gets no points for this.

ETA:And since when do conservatives come down IN FAVOR of expanding the reach of the CRA64? Seriously?

'You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CCTelander again.''

 

[jmdrake]

Justin Amash did this single handed by enabling RINO senators to blackmail Trump with the threat of impeachment.

No, seriously. That's this week's Official Lame Excuse Plausible Denial.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

 

[jmdrake]

Interesting. I wonder what constitutes a violation? A teacher preaching BDS? A University approved club preaching BDS? A non-approved club or organization? Simply a group of students? If it’s just a random group of students with no ties to the University, does this mean that the students would have to be expelled, or the school would be found in violation?

All of the acronyms these days are killing me. What is "BDS?" Biden Derangement Syndrome?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

All of the acronyms these days are killing me. What is "BDS?" Biden Derangement Syndrome?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions

Universities have been primary targets of the BDS movement, according to English professor Cary Nelson, "because faculty and students can become passionate about justice, sometimes without adequate knowledge about the facts and consequences. ... niversities also offer the potential for small numbers of BDS activists to leverage institutional status and reputation for a more significant cultural and political impact."[55]

The OP article was on the worldwide Socialists website. Many leftist groups are now involved in boycotting Israel. Apparently they are afraid they will lose their University credentials because of this new executive order.

 

[jmdrake]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions



The OP article was on the worldwide Socialists website. Many leftist groups are now involved in boycotting Israel. Apparently they are afraid they will lose their University credentials because of this new executive order.

Thank you for the clarification! I support first amendment right of socialists to put websites, organize and associate, and call for the boycott of whoever they choose and I support the right of conservatives to do the exact same thing.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Thank you for the clarification! I support first amendment right of socialists to put websites, organize and associate, and call for the boycott of whoever they choose and I support the right of conservatives to do the exact same thing.

Sure. All good. The only problem being that the extreme radical left like Antifa will hide behind Free Speech while at the same time using violence to eliminate the speech of others.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So, withholding taxpayer dollars is an attack on the 1st amendment?

^^^THIS^^^

I don't know why some people here fall for leftist propaganda just because they want to attack Trump.

The only thing happening here is that communist indoctrination centers are being denied taxpayer dollars, you can say that the reason for that is not as good as what we would prefer but you can't call it a violation of the 1stA.

 

[juleswin]

Why are you aiming that at me? You can't defend what you said, so you're resorting to offense in lieu of a good defense? I don't work for the government, and I don't work for a university.

Jeez, if most conservatives don't know how socialism leads to tyranny, it's no wonder millenials don't have the healthy distrust of socialism they ought to have.

Please, people, let's bone up on this so when the misinformed confront us, we can do better than attacking and alienating them, shall we?

There was never a federal 55 mph speed limit. There was a federal fuel tax, passed in the 1950s, and charged to everyone who bought gas or diesel at a roadside station nationwide. In 1973, a law was passed restricting the federal government from giving any of this tax revenue back to any state that did not jump through the federal hoop by passing a 55 mph statewide maximum speed limit. Any state which did not either had to pass enough state gas taxes to build highways anyway (and wind up with higher pump prices than other states) or fail to maintain half their roads.

This is how an overreaching federal government, which Constitutionally could not pass a federal speed limit, effectively did so anyway--by taxing what it had no business taxing, and withholding from states revenue which was confiscated in those states.

And this is a perfect example of how federal socialism enables federal tyranny.

But but, the fed govt giving Marxist back any of their money is bad for liberty. They should bend their knees to a foreign govt in order to show that they are worthy before the feds should release any funds