Trump: Fascist Statement about forcing Apple to Manufacture in US

[ApathyCuredRP]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/trump-apple-should-build-their-damn-things-in-us.html

"We're going to get Apple to build their damn computers and things in this country instead of in other countries."

To all you Trump lovers out there - please explain the logic of why you still support such a fascist person? At this point - I have no respect for any Trump supporters when he makes statements like this which against the fiber of free trade yet his Trumptards still support him.

Fascism must be popular. Get off this liberty forum.

 

[mczerone]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/trump-apple-should-build-their-damn-things-in-us.html

"We're going to get Apple to build their damn computers and things in this country instead of in other countries."

To all you Trump lovers out there - please explain the logic of why you still support such a fascist person? At this point - I have no respect for any Trump supporters when he makes statements like this which against the fiber of free trade yet his Trumptards still support him.

Fascism must be popular. Get off this liberty forum.

I've had arguments here, in 2010/11, when Ron was the candidate, with people over tariffs. Somehow they justified D.C. taking a cut of private business just because it came from overseas.

I agree that it's fascist, but there have always been fascists here, even prior to Trump.

 

[RonPaulMall]

According to the Original Constitution, the entire government should be funded off of nothing but tariffs. Also, I don't the the destruction of the American manufacturing base is something you want to associate with the Liberty movement. Liberty Candidates should be talking about bringing back jobs too.

 

[The Gold Standard]

According to the Original Constitution, the entire government should be funded off of nothing but tariffs. Also, I don't the the destruction of the American manufacturing base is something you want to associate with the Liberty movement. Liberty Candidates should be talking about bringing back jobs too.

Free trade has precisely zero to do with the destruction of the American manufacturing base. And even if it did, having other people make products for us cheaper than we can is a great thing. Now if the government allowed people to work in other areas, we could enjoy the benefits.

 

[mczerone]

Free trade has precisely zero to do with the destruction of the American manufacturing base.

BUT THE CONSTITUTION!!N!!!!N!

 

[RonPaulMall]

Free trade has precisely zero to do with the destruction of the American manufacturing base. And even if it did, having other people make products for us cheaper than we can is a great thing. Now if the government allowed people to work in other areas, we could enjoy the benefits.

So what? Unless you talk about it, people will think you are indifferent. Liberty Candidates running for office need to talk in the language of winning elections.

 

[dannno]

According to the Original Constitution, the entire government should be funded off of nothing but tariffs. Also, I don't the the destruction of the American manufacturing base is something you want to associate with the Liberty movement. Liberty Candidates should be talking about bringing back jobs too.

Liberty candidates do talk about bringing jobs back to the US in the form of lower taxes and deregulation - liberty candidates are the intellectual champions of bringing back jobs to the US. Tariffs would do little to help us in this area and would just piss off other countries, they might increase their tariffs and we wouldn't be able to make as much on our exports. It's not necessarily good policy by any means.

I'm ok with having a talk about increasing tariffs in order to partially offset a decrease in income taxes, but to just propose a new tax is not small government.

 

[mczerone]

So what? Unless you talk about it, people will think you are indifferent. Liberty Candidates running for office need to talk in the language of winning elections.

Cool, run for office and see how your advice really works.

 

[jmdrake]

I've had arguments here, in 2010/11, when Ron was the candidate, with people over tariffs. Somehow they justified D.C. taking a cut of private business just because it came from overseas.

I agree that it's fascist, but there have always been fascists here, even prior to Trump.

Ummm....there is a difference between a tariff, something that has been in existence since the founding of the United States of America, and a demand that a company not at all be able to manufacture its products overseas. It is not at all pro liberty to be against any kind of tariff when there are all kinds of excise taxes on domestic production. Conflating tariffs with fascism does nothing to advance the cause of liberty and makes the Trumpster seem reasonable when he in fact is not.

 

[CPUd]

 

[The Gold Standard]

It is not at all pro liberty to be against any kind of tariff when there are all kinds of excise taxes on domestic production.

It is absolutely pro liberty to oppose all tariffs. It is also pro liberty to oppose all domestic excise taxes. The two issues are not related in any way.

 

[jmdrake]

According to the Original Constitution, the entire government should be funded off of nothing but tariffs. Also, I don't the the destruction of the American manufacturing base is something you want to associate with the Liberty movement. Liberty Candidates should be talking about bringing back jobs too.

But not to the point of saying that a company shouldn't be able to manufacture outside of the U.S. at all. Look at the catch-22 that would put a company like Gibson Guitar in. At first they were manufacturing guitars using mahogany wood they imported. Then they were told "You can't bring in unfinished mahogany wood because...well..the environment." I'm not sure what Gibson did, but an obvious answer would be to build a guitar plant in the country where the trees grow and import the guitas. But then you can't build a guitar outside the U.S.?

There needs to be a better climate for manufacturing here in the U.S. in terms of taxes and regulations. Then look at tying tariffs to a nations freedom index. But that's not going to happen as long as we need to borrow money from China.

 

[LibertyEagle]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/trump-apple-should-build-their-damn-things-in-us.html

"We're going to get Apple to build their damn computers and things in this country instead of in other countries."

To all you Trump lovers out there - please explain the logic of why you still support such a fascist person? At this point - I have no respect for any Trump supporters when he makes statements like this which against the fiber of free trade yet his Trumptards still support him.

Fascism must be popular. Get off this liberty forum.

I hate to break it to you, but Ron Paul talked about small tariffs being used to run the small federal government we should have.

 

[jmdrake]

It is absolutely pro liberty to oppose all tariffs. It is also pro liberty to oppose all domestic excise taxes. The two issues are not related in any way.

They are 100% related through something called the government balance sheet. They are also related in that if you lower tariffs without first lowering excise taxes you are committing economic suicide. Anyone who doesn't understand that is simply not thinking straight. That's the kind of political cultism that keeps libertarianism from ever being taken seriously.

 

[jmdrake]

I hate to break it to you, but Ron Paul talked about small tariffs being used to run the small federal government we should have.

Emphasis on the word small. Ron never advocated tariffis so high that they effectively made it impossible to manufacture outside of the U.S.

 

[jmdrake]

Edit: Just noticed the thread title is inaccurate. I don't like Trump, but saying "We're gong to get Apple to build their damn computers in the U.S." isn't the same as saying "We're going to force Apple to build their damn computers in the U.S." Trump could come back and argue that his plan, which of course he has not specified, is to give such huge tax breaks to companies that are currently manufacturing overseas to bring those jobs to the U.S. that it would entice Apple to bring at least some manufacturing hear without raising any tariffs. I doubt that's what he meant. He never actually says exactly what he means.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm amazed! Something not made in China!

 

[mczerone]

Ummm....there is a difference between a tariff, something that has been in existence since the founding of the United States of America, and a demand that a company not at all be able to manufacture its products overseas.

But it was Trump himself that said his demand was backed by a threat of a 35% tariff on foreign production.

And again, just because something was "in existence since the founding" isn't an argument for it's goodness from a liberty perspective.

It is not at all pro liberty to be against any kind of tariff when there are all kinds of excise taxes on domestic production.

What? Why in the hell would anyone excuse any tax simply because another tax exists? Shouldn't the pro-liberty stance glorify anyone who is able to evade the demands of tribute?

Conflating tariffs with fascism does nothing to advance the cause of liberty and makes the Trumpster seem reasonable when he in fact is not.

In reality it makes you and Trump seem unreasonable, which you are not okay with. So rather than rethink your position, you appeal to tradition and authority, try to pretend there's a distinction between you and Trump, and double down on your fascist position that tariffs are in any way "okay" or pro-liberty.

 

[mczerone]

But not to the point of saying that a company shouldn't be able to manufacture outside of the U.S. at all. Look at the catch-22 that would put a company like Gibson Guitar in. At first they were manufacturing guitars using mahogany wood they imported. Then they were told "You can't bring in unfinished mahogany wood because...well..the environment." I'm not sure what Gibson did, but an obvious answer would be to build a guitar plant in the country where the trees grow and import the guitas. But then you can't build a guitar outside the U.S.?

There needs to be a better climate for manufacturing here in the U.S. in terms of taxes and regulations. Then look at tying tariffs to a nations freedom index. But that's not going to happen as long as we need to borrow money from China.

Better climate = reduction in regulation and taxes, not more taxes to "level the incentives." They can't level the field to pretend to be a free market, and NO ONE writing them wants that anyway.

As far as "tying tariffs to a freedom index" - why should the US Fed Gov profit off of us trading with people under more repressive regimes?

I don't need to borrow money from China, do you?

 

[nikcers]

I hate to break it to you, but Ron Paul talked about small tariffs being used to run the small federal government we should have.

Yeah- like any Ron Paul arguments or policies though they were always within context of his campaign. Ron Paul would end the wars, close 5 departments ect ect. Trump is the opposite side of the spectrum, he'll probably open 5 federal departments. You can't just say Trump is like Ron Paul just because they didn't support invading Iraq. Then insinuate that Trumps foreign policy would be anything like Ron Paul's. Ron Paul would bring all the troops home, Trump want's to occupy foreign nations and then leave them a bill and make them an offer they cant refuse.