Trump backed by blood consuming Bilderberger

[helmuth_hubener]

Oh, I don't know, JM. It's always the most likely outcome that someone elected President is going to be an enemy of liberty. The trend has been against liberty and to lose more and more liberty probably every year but certainly every decade for my entire lifetime.

So if that continues to happen for the next eight years -- business as usual! No big deal. I mean, it's a big deal but nothing I'm going to get worked up or shocked (shocked!) about.

For me, I am content to wait until Trump is actually President before I start ranting and railing about how horrible he is. I know, I know, call me crazy! It's just a much more defensible position to criticize actions that have actually taken place in reality -- bills signed or vetoed, regulations repealed or piled on -- than conspiracy theories. Not saying "conspiracy theories" derogatorily -- I'm all for conspiracy theories -- but they are, by nature: speculative. Let's wait for reality to prove them out or cause them to fade away. I do understand the risk that President Trump will turn out to be an evil globalist working to usher in the NWO. A very big risk! And so does every one else in the liberty circles you and I frequent, I think. Certainly everyone on RPF.

What I like is that there's a chance (a somewhat small chance) that he won't just be an evil globalist working to usher in the NWO. That chance, small as it is, has certainly not existed at all for the previous Presidents for a generation, except perhaps Reagan (who got shot and then was pretty much neutralized from then on). So, I mean, that's nice! At least until reality kills the dream.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Oh, and as for 'throwing the conservative Christians under the bus': Conservative Christians need to get their own house in order. Ain't no politician going to do it for them. Now there's a "solution" hatched in Hades.

What's the divorce rate among Conservative Christians again? Single mom rate? Just how well and strictly do they keep the Sabbath holy, even if they have the day of the week right? How many steal on a regular or semi-regular basis? How many are on a government dole? How many tithe? How many instill any discipline and work ethic in their children whatsoever?

They need to get their own house in order if there's to be any hope for them. Ain't no Messiah-figure in the form of a President coming to save them from their own corrupt selves. Not now, not ever. Sorry for bad news!

 

[Weston White]

Right. Because the truth is nutty. That just proves you have been totally coopted. Debunk anything I have said and I will personally donate $100 to the Donald J. Trump innaguration fund. But you can;t because everything I said is 100% true and backed up by actual verified source material. You make me sick. You are just like the republicans who couldn't deal with 9/11 Truth because "Bush couldn';t do any wrong." Any conspiracy theory, no matter how tenously based on fact, it okay as long as it goes against someone you don't like whether it's Barack Obama or Ted Cruz. (Yes sicko Trumpskiites pushed the false Ted Cruz adultery bullshyt too.) But tell the truth about Trump and the people backing him? Oh that's "nutty." For everyone who can't handle the truth when it's about Donald Trump.....

Funny thing is that it's not the truth, it's a complete distortion of the truth, e.g., from the horses mouths:

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P.S. Keep your money and use it for some new med-meds.

P.P.S. I personally don't care for Trump at all. However, right is right.

 

[jmdrake]

Funny thing is that it's not the truth, it's a complete distortion of the truth, e.g., from the horses mouths:

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P.S. Keep your money and use it for some new med-meds.

P.P.S. I personally don't care for Trump at all. However, right is right.

LOL. That's all you can come up with chump? Joe Biggs giving his carefully rehearsed speach as to why he's no longer with infowars? And Clinton said he didn't have sex with that woman either. Your point? Also how often does Alex Jones let a guest verbally spank his ass on his own show like he allowed the Pizzagate witness to do? Oh you aren't going to touch that are you?

 

[timosman]

LOL. That's all you can come up with chump? Joe Biggs giving his carefully rehearsed speach as to why he's no longer with infowars? And Clinton said he didn't have sex with that woman either. Your point? Also how often does Alex Jones let a guest verbally spank his ass on his own show like he allowed the Pizzagate witness to do? Oh you aren't going to touch that are you?

Why don't you take a break from posting for a few days? Nobody will miss you for such a short time. You can come back next week.

 

[jmdrake]

Oh, I don't know, JM. It's always the most likely outcome that someone elected President is going to be an enemy of liberty. The trend has been against liberty and to lose more and more liberty probably every year but certainly every decade for my entire lifetime.

So if that continues to happen for the next eight years -- business as usual! No big deal. I mean, it's a big deal but nothing I'm going to get worked up or shocked (shocked!) about.

For me, I am content to wait until Trump is actually President before I start ranting and railing about how horrible he is. I know, I know, call me crazy! It's just a much more defensible position to criticize actions that have actually taken place in reality -- bills signed or vetoed, regulations repealed or piled on -- than conspiracy theories. Not saying "conspiracy theories" derogatorily -- I'm all for conspiracy theories -- but they are, by nature: speculative. Let's wait for reality to prove them out or cause them to fade away. I do understand the risk that President Trump will turn out to be an evil globalist working to usher in the NWO. A very big risk! And so does every one else in the liberty circles you and I frequent, I think. Certainly everyone on RPF.

What I like is that there's a chance (a somewhat small chance) that he won't just be an evil globalist working to usher in the NWO. That chance, small as it is, has certainly not existed at all for the previous Presidents for a generation, except perhaps Reagan (who got shot and then was pretty much neutralized from then on). So, I mean, that's nice! At least until reality kills the dream.

Hey to each his own. But I see more reason to vet an incoming Donald Trump than to obsess over the veracity of the birht certificate of an outgoing Barack Obama. Note you weren't one of the ones obsessing but I didn't start the thread about you either. Also paying attention to what Trump is doing before taking over the reigns of power has already shown to be a way to head off at least some bad stuff he would have otherwise done. Take John Bolton for secretary of state. Thank God almighty that was headed off by Rand Paul on others saying "That's not a good idea" before Trump even got sworn into office. I'm of the opinion that we can't afford to take a wait and see approach.

Oh, and as for 'throwing the conservative Christians under the bus': Conservative Christians need to get their own house in order. Ain't no politician going to do it for them. Now there's a "solution" hatched in Hades.

What's the divorce rate among Conservative Christians again? Single mom rate? Just how well and strictly do they keep the Sabbath holy, even if they have the day of the week right? How many steal on a regular or semi-regular basis? How many are on a government dole? How many tithe? How many instill any discipline and work ethic in their children whatsoever?

They need to get their own house in order if there's to be any hope for them. Ain't no Messiah-figure in the form of a President coming to save them from their own corrupt selves. Not now, not ever. Sorry for bad news!

Of course the POTUS isn't the savior for Christian conservatives and that wasn't my point. In fact I didn't even say Trump betrayed them. But Alex Jones did. He's built an audience in part by pushing a Christian conserverative viewpoint on the conspiracylliberty movement and that at the last minute pushed Trump even to the point of his reporter throwing conservative Christianity under the bus. If you dont suport me for eal then dont take my money. That's a totally separate issue than everything else you talked about. I would say the same thing for a televangelist that pretended to support a Christian agenda only to betray it when it suited him.

 

[jmdrake]

Why don't you take a break from posting for a few days? Nobody will miss you for such a short time. You can come back next week.

And let stormfarters have free reign? Not a chance. Why were you so happy to engage in an endless thread about something that doesn't matter (Obama's birth certificate) but you want to go after me for dealing with real issues? Take your own break.

 

[timosman]

And let stormfarters have free reign? Not a chance.

Why don't you let other like-minded people take care of this? You do not want to be known as Don Quixote of RPF.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Hey to each his own. But I see more reason to vet an incoming Donald Trump than to obsess over the veracity of the birth certificate of an outgoing Barack Obama.

Oh yeah, makes sense. Though (never content to simply agree, I am constitutionally forced to also think about the "on the other hand") sometimes you can change the future strongly by "changing the past" (ala 1984). If twenty years from now Obama is universally viewed as a usurper and an illegal President -- terrific! That would be a great thing.

Also paying attention to what Trump is doing before taking over the reigns of power has already shown to be a way to head off at least some bad stuff he would have otherwise done. Take John Bolton for secretary of state. Thank God almighty that was headed off by Rand Paul on others saying "That's not a good idea" before Trump even got sworn into office. I'm of the opinion that we can't afford to take a wait and see approach.

True, and that's a good example.

I'm not so sure telling him (somehow? How?) "Mr, Trump, you shouldn't drink children's blood nor hang out with those who do," would be quite so successful an example.

But Alex Jone... built an audience in part by pushing a Christian conservative viewpoint on the conspiracy/liberty movement and that at the last minute pushed Trump even to the point of his reporter throwing conservative Christianity under the bus. If you don't support me for real then don't take my money. That's a totally separate issue than everything else you talked about. I would say the same thing for a televangelist that pretended to support a Christian agenda only to betray it when it suited him.

Ahh, gotcha.

 

[jmdrake]

Why don't you let other like-minded people take care of this? You do not want to be known as Don Quixote of RPF.

And how many like minded peole have called out the hyhpocrisy of Alex Jones for supposedly being anti NWO/Bilderberg Group then praising Trump for being introduced by a member of the Bilderberg Group? Seriously who? Everyone who says "But...but...but...Peter Thiel donated to Ron/Rand Paul too" are grossly missing the point. Alex Jones and company never brought that up as a reason to support Ron or Rand Paul just like nobody with any sense would bring upthe Don Black donation as a reason to support Ron/Rand Paul. I got a discussion going that needed to happen. And frankly I could care less what anyone on this forum thinks of me. I was the only one raising a red flag in 2010 about Rand Paul adopting neocon talking points with regards to Gitmo, miitary tribunals and testimony taken from torture. I said that wouldn't end well. Guess what? I was right. It didn't end well. Just the other week Matt "Rand is playing 3D chess" Collins was complaining about Rand and others in the liberty caucus voting for sanctions against Iran. Well...what did he ultimatey espect? Rand went after the teocon vote and he has to keep throwing teocons a bone every so often to keep their support. Things turned out pretty much exactly as I expected. What I didn't expect is that nearly half of the liberty movement would become enthralled with Donald freaking Trump and use the same "he's playing 3D chess" argument to defend that ad nauseum.

So, I'm not Don Quiote. I'm more like the myhthical Cassandra, the prophetess who was doomed to be right but never listened to or Laocoön, the priest of Troy who was killed by Poseiden in order to prevent him for exposing the Trojan Horse.

 

[jmdrake]

Oh yeah, makes sense. Though (never content to simply agree, I am constitutionally forced to also think about the "on the other hand") sometimes you can change the future strongly by "changing the past" (ala 1984). If twenty years from now Obama is universally viewed as a usurper and an illegal President -- terrific! That would be a great thing.

Yeah...except that the "conspiracy within the conspiracy" is that Obama's real father was American, not Kenyan, and that Obama was really born in America and the whole fake birth certificate is to cover up the fact that Obama's black father was really a communist pornographer and Obama's mother a pin up girl. (Never mind the fact that Mrs. Trump actually is a pinup girl.) So, according to the conspiracy within the conspiracy, the fake birth certificate actually proves that Obama is a legal president but his family origins had to be hidden because it's better to be thought of as the son of a Muslim immigrant than a black American communist/pornagrapher. So....how does any of this actually make a difference?

True, and that's a good example.

I'm not so sure telling him (somehow? How?) "Mr, Trump, you shouldn't drink children's blood nor hang out with those who do," would be quite so successful an example.

Thanks. And LOL.

 

[donnay]

Yeah...except that the "conspiracy within the conspiracy" is that Obama's real father was American, not Kenyan, and that Obama was really born in America and the whole fake birth certificate is to cover up the fact that Obama's black father was really a communist pornographer and Obama's mother a pin up girl. (Never mind the fact that Mrs. Trump actually is a pinup girl.) So, according to the conspiracy within the conspiracy, the fake birth certificate actually proves that Obama is a legal president but his family origins had to be hidden because it's better to be thought of as the son of a Muslim immigrant than a black American communist/pornagrapher. So....how does any of this actually make a difference?

To point out they are liars and nothing that comes out their mouths should be believed.

Flash Back:

 

[jmdrake]

LOL. So Obama most likely was never born in Kenya. He never said he was born in Kenya. The "conspiracy within the conspiracy" is that his father wasn't born in Kenya either. And yet you're going to fall back on misconstruing what Michelle said about Kenya being Obama's "home country?" Newsflash. There are people born in the United States that identify Germany, Ireland, France, fill in the blank as their "home country."

Chew on this.



Seriously you are reminding me of people who claim Saddam really had WMDs and that the "conspiracy" was Saddam "lying" and claiming he had WMDs.

To point out they are liars and nothing that comes out their mouths should be believed.

Flash Back:

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I have to admit I had trouble following along. I think it went so deep I came out on the other side and now I'm just drifting off towards another planet.

I don't necessarily buy the line of reason, but how on God's green Earth are you having trouble following it?

The reasoning goes as follows:

One of Trump's primary advisors, Peter Thiel, is a self-admitted Bilderberger. (implied: The Bilderbergers are one of the architects of the NWO, therefore Trump's close association with a Bilderberger in this context warrants a more critical investigation.) He hopes that the Trump supporters who consider themselves drawn by the truth, will continue to uphold the truth even when it goes against their guy. He then presents Thiel's links to Bilderberger.

I mean come on, that's only slightly more convoluted than Learning To Read With Dick And Jane.

It's maybe possible that you do not agree with his line of reason, but seriously, how in Sam Hill are you unable to follow it?

 

[donnay]

LOL. So Obama most likely was never born in Kenya. He never said he was born in Kenya. The "conspiracy within the conspiracy" is that his father wasn't born in Kenya either. And yet you're going to fall back on misconstruing what Michelle said about Kenya being Obama's "home country?" Newsflash. There are people born in the United States that identify Germany, Ireland, France, fill in the blank as their "home country."

Chew on this.



Seriously you are reminding me of people who claim Saddam really had WMDs and that the "conspiracy" was Saddam "lying" and claiming he had WMDs.

How could Kenya be his "home country" when he was born in the USA?

Saddam was a CIA asset just like Osama bin Laden.

 

[devil21]

You do know that Thiel gave a great deal of money to Ron when he was running, right?

Never saw any confirmation of that, just rumors and the infamous 'billionaire' threads that never materialized into anything. Still not sure how Thiel is libertarian. Can't say I've ever seen or heard anything remotely libertarian out of his mouth. He is a Bilderberger though and Palantir a major NSA contractor, so there's that.

Btw jmdrake, Thiel wasn't "openly gay". He was outed by Gawker, which led to Thiel bankrolling Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker (presumably as retribution) that put them out of business.

Good thread and discussion though. Not much is as it appears.

 

[jmdrake]

He gave quite a bit more than Don Black. lolol. Plus, as I recall, he met with RAND privately.

As far as the pipeline goes, I believe Trump owns some shares in Energy Transfer Partners. I do too, by the way. He will likely need to sell it before he becomes President.

Thank you for posting the correction. I wonder if the private meeting between Peter Thiel and Rand Paul happened before or after Rand came out and said military tribunals were necessary because in a civilian court testimony from torture would have to be thrown out and "that would be a problem?" It most certainly happened before Rand endorsed Mitt Romney, before Rand surrogate "the Southern Avenger" did his article on why we shouldnt concern ourselves about the Bilderberg group and before Rand went from being willing to openly discuss his concerns about the Bilderberg group on camera to literrally running away from someone asking he question and then trying to get the pres credentials of the person asking the question revoked. Not before you or anyone else question my support of Rand, I still support him. But there is no denying the fact that after his encounter with Peter Thiel, Rand sang a different tune on a number of issues and that in part led to a huge schism in the liberty movement.

 

[jmdrake]

How could Kenya be his "home country" when he was born in the USA?

How could Chris Tucker's home country be some village in Africa when he was born in the USA? Home country can also mean where your anscestors are from. Goodness, did you even watch the video?

Saddam was a CIA asset just like Osama bin Laden.

Not debating that. My point is that there some who can't wrap their heads around Bush lying to them about WMDs have made up a "conspiracy within a conspiracy" that Saddam was "lying" and "saying he had WMDs" when in fact he really didn't despite the fact that all along he said he didn't have WMDs. You are reminding me of them at the moment.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Why don't you let other like-minded people take care of this? You do not want to be known as Don Quixote of RPF.

Because God forbid these forums should ever be seen in any way critical of His Excellency, The Donald of Trump.

 

[jmdrake]

Never saw any confirmation of that, just rumors and the infamous 'billionaire' threads that never materialized into anything. Still not sure how Thiel is libertarian. Can't say I've ever seen or heard anything remotely libertarian out of his mouth. He is a Bilderberger though and Palantir a major NSA contractor, so there's that.

Btw jmdrake, Thiel wasn't "openly gay". He was outed by Gawker, which led to Thiel bankrolling Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker (presumably as retribution) that put them out of business.

Good thread and discussion though. Not much is as it appears.

Thanks for the correction. I knew nothing of Thiel's sexual orientation other than the infowars video. I should have known to vet it. :o