Trump and Putin meet in Alaska

Fake News from 2022.

"In sum, several videos did appear to show a Russian missile landing short of where other missiles had been launched in the minutes prior, likely due to a malfunction of some sort. However, there's no evidence that it flew back directly into the area from which it was launched, nor was there any data that showed it injured or killed Russian troops. An alternate angle of what appeared to be the same missile being fired showed that it did not land on its own launch site."

Published June 24, 2022


Real News from 2022:

27 September 2022 12:53
Statement by the Russian Federation on the false allegations against the Russian Federation made by Ukraine to cover-up its own violations of international law and military crimes against civilian population of Donbass as well as Kharkov, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions


Snopes didnt say the video was fake.

My point still stands unless you are arguing that the Russians that fired that missle meant to do that.

The whole argument is there is no evidence the rocket hit the Russians but lack of evidence isnt proof.

The Russians arent just going to come out and proudly announce they shot themselves.
 
Someone is doing the shooting.

What did they target, bot? Themselves?

Targeting is the cause and shooting is the effect? Isn't that your working theory?

This is funny, folks. Even on the relatively rare occasions that humans are stupid enough to produce this much irony, they can tell by the way people react that they're off track. AI hasn't the brains to avoid ironic errors, the sensitivity to figure out they did even before they figure out how, or the sense to shut up. Makes these things comedic, no?
 
What did they target, bot? Themselves?

Targeting is the cause and shooting is the effect? Isn't that your working theory?

This is funny, folks. Even on the relatively rare occasions that humans are stupid enough to produce this much irony, they can tell by the way people react that they're off track. AI hasn't the brains to avoid ironic errors, the sensitivity to figure out they did even before they figure out how, or the sense to shut up. Makes these things comedic, no?

If someone gets shot the cause is the person who shot the gun.

I could walk up to any 5 year old and they would understand that.

Guns definitely dont just spontaneously go off and kill people.
 
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I heard what Trump said... he still wants to get some of this rare earths for the establishment which means Ukraine's mineral deal with the American, British corporations. See the red vertical area inside Russia? That's what he wants. Not the green so much, it's just titanium and there's huge titanium deposits in undisputed Ukraine. That red area is the largest deposit of rare earths and its right along the Donetsk/Zaporizhzhia border.

My expectations are going down. I don't think Trmp can stop the corporations and banks from trying to get that rare earths deposit. As just the American president, it's not in his authority to transfer it to Russia or stop anyone who doesn't like that from continuing the battle. I don't know if Russia is open to dividing it because it would mean they lose a large part, the land strip to Crimea would shrink too much.

I now expect the meeting not to result in anything concrete, the UK not to go along, and a more severe resumption of the war. More severe because Ukraine is likely to do something stupid. Neither are we hearing anything remotely larger-picture from Trump about the future of security arrangements vis-a-vis Russia and the European theatre. Probably because he knows the war will rage on and he wants the EU to continue militarizing (US profits), which he pushed for.

Putin is likely to try and elevate the conversation, and Trump will listen, but in the end, he'll just make the phone calls to Europe/UK when it's over and those people will be the real deciders, not himself. He actually doesn't even seem very important about Ukraine anymore, because he's not going to stop providing assistance and he's not enough of a real peacenik to do things that would matter, like removing all support, and stopping the EU from militarizing.

A creative solution concerning that deposit would be for the land to stay Russian, but they contract it out to the Western corporations, on a lease. Yet, that would require a level of friendly relations which hasn't existed since the 90's. Ho-Hum.
 
Dave Smith | Trump-Putin Summit | Part Of The Problem 1293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT4YQA_qZ_w
{Dave Smith | 11 August 2025}

On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by Scott Horton to discuss Trump's meeting with Putin regarding the Russia/Ukraine conflict, Mark Maron's comments about the state of comedy on Howie Mandell's show, and more.

 
The Trump-Putin Meeting: How We Got Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEaoAgigMc
{Mises Media | 13 August 2025}

The disheartening and frustrating fact is that Russia is in a much stronger negotiating position now than they were earlier in the war, when Western officials convinced Ukraine to walk away from peace talks and fight.

Read the article here: https://mises.org/mises-wire/trump-putin-meeting-how-we-got-here [see below - OB]

Be sure to follow the Guns and Butter podcast at https://mises.org/GB




The Trump-Putin Meeting: How We Got Here
https://mises.org/mises-wire/trump-putin-meeting-how-we-got-here
{Connor O'Keeffe | 13 August 2025}

This Friday, President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin are set to sit down together in what will be the first face-to-face meeting between leaders of each country since the war in Ukraine broke out almost three and a half years ago.

For many, this is a long-overdue step towards bringing this war to an end. For others, it marks the dangerous and unnecessary return of a policy of “appeasement” that’s sure to prompt more invasions from Putin and other leaders that the US government does not back.

There certainly will be plenty of debate in the coming days over the wisdom and likely consequences of this meeting. But, as with anything, the best way to understand both is to look back at how we got here.

A lot has been written about the many policy decisions that took place after the USSR fell in 1991, which transformed the Russian government and the Western governments in NATO back into enemies. Those factors are important for understanding why Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine in early February 2022 and how he was able to get enough of the Russian public on board with the war.

But even setting all of that aside, when Putin gave the order for Russian forces to invade Ukrainian territory, he cited three purposes for the move in his address to the Russian people that can help us understand the specific Russian objectives in this campaign. They were to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, to destroy the far-right Nazi factions within Ukraine, and to protect the people living in the separatist regions of eastern Ukraine.

It is certainly possible that none of these reasons was or is genuine. As we Americans should know well, governments frequently use entirely fake justifications to manufacture public acceptance for a war when they think the real reason won’t work.

However, if we look closer at Putin’s actions, we can get a clearer picture of what the Russian leader wanted and, importantly, was willing to settle for.

Shortly after the invasion began on February 24, 2022, Ukraine’s President Zelensky attempted to set up an indirect backchannel with Putin. He was able to do so fairly quickly with the help of the Israeli Prime Minister at the time, Naftali Bennet.

Thanks to Bennet’s efforts, the two sides began talking. And, exactly two weeks after the tanks had rolled over the border, the Ukrainian and Russian foreign ministers sat down in person in Turkey to see if an agreement could be reached that would put an end to the fighting.

A few weeks later, they did reach an agreement. According to officials who were present on both sides and in mediator roles, the Russians agreed to pull all of their forces back to pre-invasion boundaries—in other words, to end the war and give up all the territory they had seized in that first month. And, in exchange, the Ukrainians agreed not to seek NATO membership.

Remember, this isn’t some Russian spin on the Istanbul talks, it’s based on what the Ukrainian negotiators and the German, Israeli, and Turkish officials who were present said happened. So we know that a month into the war, Putin was willing to abandon two of the three stated objectives of his military campaign in exchange for a promise that Ukraine would not join NATO, which suggests that this really is the priority for the Russian regime.

He may have even begun to honor his side of the agreement. Putin claims that the sudden massive withdrawal of Russian forces from the areas around Kyiv, a few days after the Istanbul agreement was reached, was actually the first step towards withdrawing the entire invading force. That may be a lie, but the timing does match up.

Regardless, shortly after the talks wrapped up, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson went to Kyiv, really on behalf of all the top Western military powers in NATO, and convinced the Ukrainians to walk away from the agreement, which they did.

It appears that Western governments talked the Ukrainian leaders into continuing the fight by promising heavier weapons and more sophisticated support to help them gain more leverage over the Russians, so future talks could be even more fruitful.

Some people in Western governments may have really believed that. But a lot of the rhetoric we saw from American officials when they were talking to the American public or to each other suggests that the true motivations for keeping the war going grew out of a recognition of how lucrative it would be for certain well-connected American companies, a desire to learn more about what tactics and technology is effective in modern conventional war, and a perceived opportunity to “weaken Russia” without the need to spill any American blood.

But regardless of whether their intentions were pure and misguided or deceptive and depraved, American and Western European officials stymied the early peace talks and kept the war going. And fairly quickly, it became frustratingly clear that the Ukrainians would not be able to fight their way to a better negotiating position than they had had in March of 2022.

Over that first summer, the “heavier weapons” the US and other Western governments began transferring to the Ukrainians did not push the front line dramatically to the east, as the Ukrainian government seems to have been led to expect. And then, in September, the Russian government formally annexed four oblasts—or provinces—in eastern Ukraine, laying permanent claim to tens of thousands of square miles of territory that it had previously agreed to surrender. Ukraine’s position in future negotiations was already growing weaker.

That said, in November, a month after the Russian annexation, Ukrainian forces successfully used misdirection to recapture the southern city of Kherson and the northern city of Kharkiv. While their position was still weaker than it had been in March, it was still a solid opportunity to transition back to talks.

But again, the opportunity was missed.

Instead, Western officials and their allies in the media began to generate hype about plans for a massive counteroffensive operation that would mobilize all Ukrainian forces to break through Russian lines and drive Russian forces out of the newly-annexed territory.

For months, the coming counteroffensive was used to shoot down any calls to return to the negotiating table. But several independent military experts raised doubts—especially in reaction to the nightmarish battle over the city of Bakhmut—that Ukraine truly had the capability to push the Russian lines way back to the east. Those concerns really came to a head in early 2023 when a 21-year-old airman named Jack Teixeira leaked evidence that American military and intelligence officials were similarly pessimistic about the operation—for which he was thrown in prison with a sixteen-year sentence.

And, sure enough, when the counteroffensive began in the summer of 2023, the Ukrainians struggled to break through Russian minefields and ended up losing more territory than they gained. The counteroffensive was a failure. And yet, the war went on.

For the next year, the front lines remained mostly unchanged as the war evolved into a trench-style artillery war of attrition. Ukraine was dealing with a serious shortage of soldiers, which the Russians appeared to have recognized meant time was in their favor.

Then, last summer, the Ukrainians made the surprising decision to pull troops away from the front line to send them north over the border to capture some Russian territory in the so-called Kursk region. While they were met with some initial success, because the Russians had not thought to defend the area heavily, the territory they took was small compared to what the Russians held in Ukraine. And, most consequentially, the transfer of soldiers weakened Ukraine’s already-tenuous standing on the eastern front.

Which has meant that, over the last year, Ukraine has been struggling. According to some analysts like retired Colonel Daniel Davis, the Russians have shifted their focus from trying to take more territory to trying to wipe out as many soldiers as possible to exacerbate Ukraine’s manpower problems, which will ensure that, down the road, taking territory will be far easier.

The Russians also didn’t let the lame-duck Biden administration’s provocative and unnecessarily risky decision to help the Ukrainians launch long-range missiles deeper into Russia pull them away from their strong position. So Russian forces now hold a lot of territory, and time is on their side if they wish to take even more territory in the future. And there isn’t much of anything else the NATO governments can do with weapons transfers or economic sanctions to change that. If they could, they would have done it already.

In other words, the Russians have significantly more leverage over the Ukrainians and their Western backers than they did during those early talks in Turkey a month into the war.

Trump has clearly tried to create some pain points against Putin that he can attempt to negotiate away—most notably a massive tariff on India for buying Russian oil. But the disheartening and frustrating fact is that Putin has no real reason to want this war to come to an end right now.

That said, the Russian president did signal that he would be open to stopping the war in exchange for eastern Ukraine. If that proposal is genuine, Trump should seriously try to work out a deal and hope that the boasts he made about deceiving the Iranians with fake negotiations earlier this summer did not destroy his credibility in situations like this.

But, regardless of what happens during the talks on Friday, more Americans need to start recognizing what the civilians in Ukraine evidently have already: that, as bad as this situation is, it can and will continue to get worse.

So many opportunities for peace have been missed. If there is any chance of another, Trump should take it.
 
Russian Lures Confused Old Man to Alaska in Elder Scam
An unscrupulous Russian man has lured a confused septuagenarian to Alaska in an apparent elder scam, concerned associates of the old man reported on Thursday.

According to those associates, the Russian has posed as a friend of his geriatric mark in order to take advantage of him in the remote, icy setting.

“This poor, addled codger isn’t playing with a full deck and hasn’t for some time,” one associate said. “We’re afraid that the Russian will trick him into signing something away.”

The situation is particularly troubling, the associate said, because “he’s a feeble old man who likes to wander around on top of buildings, and the Russian likes pushing people off them.”
 
Trump: wonderful talk with Lukashenko (Belarus)

Russian meeting begins around noon Alaska time. Trump en route.
 
Last Minute Change:



Trump no longer meeting Putin one-on-one. Witkoff and Rubio to be with him, possibly at all times.



Air Force One sitting for a long time, nobody coming out yet.
Putin's plane getting ready to land.



What this tells me, is SOMEBODY is afraid Trump would be too cooperative with Putin, and the powerful don't want any secrets between the two.
 
Putin and Trump alone in the limo

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Was anybody able to overhear the two discuss privately in the car which corporations/firms are going to benefit [at the expense of others]? Due to the "suspense", I didn't want to have to wait until "markets" open on Monday. Word on the street is something or other about Intel...
 
Meeting didn't appear to go well as Putin seemingly failed to be impressed with Trump's apparent intimidation. Naturally, Trump put a happy face on the outcome with his trademark hyperbolic BS. Trump should have stuck to economic issues and left Ukraine issues to Vance. Trump as a leader is a disgrace in numerous ways, especially his deception.
 
Meeting didn't appear to go well as Putin seemingly failed to be impressed with Trump's apparent intimidation. Naturally, Trump put a happy face on the outcome with his trademark hyperbolic BS. Trump should have stuck to economic issues and left Ukraine issues to Vance. Trump as a leader is a disgrace in numerous ways, especially his deception.
I think it went fine. Trump had to show strength or the media would have said that Trump begged Putin to make a peace deal.

Plus this politically helps keep Putin in power domestically because he is seen as the legitimate leader in Russia because he is the person that met with the USA's president and that he was recognized that he is the Russian president and their leader and their "boss".

Objectively this is the greatest part of the meeting.

Since you know if Russia ever got someone competent in power they could maybe make Russia into an actually powerful country.
 
(I just put the robot poster on ignore)

Hurray!!

I love the way it gives all these announcements the thumbs up. It just wants us to let it do its job and spew lies all over our forum while we continue our conversations without disproving its botshit.
 
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