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hope7134

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I am a Christian, who believes in repentance from all sin. I believe in sin being defined in Revelations the 21st chapter. I believe as the bible teaches; we have all sinned and fallen short of God’s glory. Jesus’ teachings taught me to love my brother as myself, to forgive those that would despitefully use me and say all types of evil against me, to love and not hate, to allow others the right to freewill, to administer love where there is hatred, to give help to the helpless, to give kindness for injury, to love the unlovable. This was his doctrine: that no greater love has man than that he would lay down his life for another and that we were not of the kingdom of the Earth, but of a Kingdom far better in which we should lay up our treasures.

But, to this Kingdom of God has violence has been suffered. This Kingdom of Glorious love, compassion for all mankind, of grace, truth, righteousness, forgiveness and mercy has come a generation of vipers and thieves. Who take up the cross, not to lead others to its healing balm and grace, but to beat mercilessly all those who won’t conform to their message. They beat and batter all those who would stand against the very bondages of the doctrines and religious’ they teach. Unlike Jesus who came not to condemn the world but through him the world might be saved, they desire to put all mankind into bondage and religious conformity. They teach a doctrine of conviction and try to pluck the speck of sin from their brothers’ eyes, before they get the beam out of their own. They are not made perfect in love and no nothing of the Kingdom of God and his love. They would shackle and burn at the stake all those who would resist their teachings. And they make a mockery of the very Christ, they proclaim to represent. They know nothing of his messages and teachings and his very life and how he laid down for the sins of all mankind and for the forgiveness of those sins.

He taught his followers to turn the other cheek, yet this generation of vipers promotes and demands blood to be shed in war and hatred of other peoples and religions. He taught us to forgive sin, yet this generation of vipers, choose to persecute and prosecute all transgressors of their beliefs and their values with the curses of their laws.

The Church must repent of its sins, and turn from its wicked ways and seeks God’s face. Get the beams out of your own eyes, deal with your own sin first, be made perfect in love and then you can help your brother remove the speck of sin from his eye. Until you are made perfect in love, by your silent communion with God and your savior Jesus Christ, you have no right to speak evil against another; you have no right to pass judgment, because your judgment is false. The bible teaches us to judge righteously and without love, you know nothing of righteous judgment. Righteous judgment does not point a finger at its brother and take away their freewill. It offers the opportunity to know the Father and Jesus Christ whom he sent, but it doesn’t force its’ will or ways. Love seeketh not its own will. Love is patient and is kind and suffers long. Without love the church is nothing more than a sounding cymbal or a tinkling brass.

To all those who have been turned or sickened by the church; I say to you, the true church of God and Jesus Christ is rising up and is beginning to take its rightful place. This church is not a church of the Earth, but is a heavenly church. And it is coming with healing in its wings. It is rising up with a message of love and compassion and forgiveness. It is calling all who would come; to come and partake of the waters of life freely. It is coming without judgment or condemnation. It is coming with blessings and not cursings, and it is coming to do battle with the church of the vipers, which is an abomination to their God and his son and the Kingdom of God. The church that has called its’ self of God and is of the household of Satan. It is coming to bring the message of God to the world and the message is righteousness, truth, mercy, grace, forgiveness and love to mankind. It is coming to spread the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to destroy the lies.

And all those that would continue in their sins against their brothers and mankind will be removed from the face of the Earth. And that time is now. And the generation of vipers shall have their place in the fires of hell that are prepared for Satan and his followers. The true church will reign victorious as they bring the church of vipers to their knees, and cast you out of the synagogues, the temples and the churches and abolish your doctrines of hatred and self-righteousness from the face of the Earth. The true church will ask all those that would come to come and partake of the waters of life freely and it will forsake no one.
 
There have been many instances of people believing the time is now, but it has never been the case yet. The only clue I really trust is the statement that we'll not know when. So, I'm not really ready to give up long term thinking yet.

However, I agree with you that false prophets abound right now. They say Satan himself was an angel. It is an excellent time to avoid following those who profess to propose evil in the name of the Lord. As is any era, for that matter.
 
To all those who have been turned or sickened by the church; I say to you, the true church of God and Jesus Christ is rising up and is beginning to take its rightful place. This church is not a church of the Earth, but is a heavenly church. And it is coming with healing in its wings. It is rising up with a message of love and compassion and forgiveness. It is calling all who would come; to come and partake of the waters of life freely. It is coming without judgment or condemnation. It is coming with blessings and not cursings, and it is coming to do battle with the church of the vipers, which is an abomination to their God and his son and the Kingdom of God. The church that has called its’ self of God and is of the household of Satan. It is coming to bring the message of God to the world and the message is righteousness, truth, mercy, grace, forgiveness and love to mankind. It is coming to spread the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to destroy the lies.

Christians frighten me. I am sickened by them, and I am fearful of their horde mentality, and their lack of individualism. I despise their hatred for tolerance and secularity, and I strongly disprove of their redefining of science. The idea that a "new" church may be rising is frightening. We don't need more religious in this country advocating insanity and special revelation.

you're "new" coming of the glory ideas are going to be abused by people like Theocrat, and it will only be a matter of time before you people begin advocating flaying us up on stakes again. It's always full circle. Burn the books, hate the gays, hate the non-believers, women stay in their place, etc, etc, etc.

Been there, done that. It's too late, there is a divide in this country, and it isn't being covered by the news organizations. The non-religious are an angry people, and this isn't going to cut it anymore.

We want to see action.
 
Christians frighten me. I am sickened by them, and I am fearful of their horde mentality, and their lack of individualism. I despise their hatred for tolerance and secularity, and I strongly disprove of their redefining of science. The idea that a "new" church may be rising is frightening. We don't need more religious in this country advocating insanity and special revelation.

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Yeah... Christians and most other religious denominations are pretty scary. I guess the American Atheists have a particular beef with Christians since they're the tribe of mystics that we most often have to cope with.

My only solace is the knowledge that most of the intellectuals and other sordid individuals that I travel amongst don't suffer any form of religious hysteria, and we're a growing lot too. Well, in some places.
 
Im somewhere between athiest and agnostic because of what I know. I dont know everything.

From an athiests point of view, we dont have a beef with christians because of their volume or number, I have a beef with chrisitanity for their hypocracy. Murder is the worst sin you can commit. Now go kill all those Jew bastards because they arent christian for your god. God will always be with you and your side in war, especially when you are shelling a city from 50 miles away and kill a bunch, well wait, isnt murder flat out wrong to begin with?

Athiests take a lot of flack for believing that religion itself is crap because, as the religious people put it, how can you have any morals if you dont believe in god. Easy answer. Athiests believe they are responsible for their own actions, and like ANY decent human being should do, ask but one question in any situation: "what if it were me?"
 
I've read all the responses to my thread so far and very much appreciate every word. Being a Christian, I wish every American Christian had the opportunity to read all these responses. Christians are not what they should be and should take note of why they are repulsing people. True christianity does not repulse or repel, nor does it cause wars, support wars or go after people with alternate view points. True Christianity knows its about love for mankind, grace, compassion. Jesus' message was never anything less than total forgiveness for any wrong doing. Shame on the Christian church in America. We bear this black mark because we have not been true to the teachings of the one we claim to follow. I would challenge every christian to begin to follow the teachings of Jesus and start being more christlike in your dealings with all mankind, including muslims. Jesus' never taught an eye for an eye, that was a jewish teaching. He taught forgive so that you can be forgive. Love others, turn the other cheek. Thanks to all those who have responded thus far, it's time all christians wake up to how poorly we have been representing, the very one we claim to follow.
 
All manmade religions are nothing but tools of social and political control. Nothing more. Belief in God is faith. Belief about God is religion. Religions are based on revelations that men claim to have had. For all others it is merely hearsay. Blindly following dogma and doctrines initiated by men who claim to be speaking or writing God's word is nothing less than mental slavery. I believe God exists, but the real truth about his nature and that of the universe will not be found in ANY mainstream religion, Christianity included. Just because you've been conditioned to believe something your entire life does not mean it's true.

I was born again in '94 and walked that walk for several years. However, since then I've been able to step back and see the bigger picture. Manmade religions are false paths.
 
Christians frighten me. I am sickened by them, and I am fearful of their horde mentality, and their lack of individualism. I despise their hatred for tolerance and secularity, and I strongly disprove of their redefining of science. The idea that a "new" church may be rising is frightening. We don't need more religious in this country advocating insanity and special revelation.

you're "new" coming of the glory ideas are going to be abused by people like Theocrat, and it will only be a matter of time before you people begin advocating flaying us up on stakes again. It's always full circle. Burn the books, hate the gays, hate the non-believers, women stay in their place, etc, etc, etc.

Been there, done that. It's too late, there is a divide in this country, and it isn't being covered by the news organizations. The non-religious are an angry people, and this isn't going to cut it anymore.

We want to see action.
Stop lumping all Christians together, you who profess to detest collectivist labels.

Also, damian, since when have Christians cornered the market on hypocrisy? Is it easier to be an atheist because you have no moral code to try to live by? No one's perfect.
 
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Christians frighten me. I am sickened by them, and I am fearful of their horde mentality, and their lack of individualism. I despise their hatred for tolerance and secularity, and I strongly disprove of their redefining of science. The idea that a "new" church may be rising is frightening. We don't need more religious in this country advocating insanity and special revelation.

you're "new" coming of the glory ideas are going to be abused by people like Theocrat, and it will only be a matter of time before you people begin advocating flaying us up on stakes again. It's always full circle. Burn the books, hate the gays, hate the non-believers, women stay in their place, etc, etc, etc.

Been there, done that. It's too late, there is a divide in this country, and it isn't being covered by the news organizations. The non-religious are an angry people, and this isn't going to cut it anymore.

We want to see action.

Kade,

Just wondering what you think of Ron Paul?
 
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Thanks for your post! You are absolutely right, it's about putting all religions away from yourself and finding the truth.

I am a christian not because of church or religion, but because of the internal christ. I can not support the constitution party because in following Christ, I choose to follow his only two commandments: love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and love others as yourself. Do unto others as you would have them do to you!

Nowhere in the bible, Jesus' teachings or the US Constitution does it say I have the right to enforce or impose my will or beliefs on others.

The Constitution Party as I see it is still trying to enforce it's will on certain parts of the populace. I believe all men were created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The more I have come to know the teachings of Christ and understanding my relationship with God, the more I believe Christ was a liberal. And didn't seek to impose his will or God's will on anyone. He simply tried to spread the truth of God and man's relationship to God. I think the religious right, should actually be titled the religious wrong!

Ps. 123Tim, Ron Paul is awesome isn't he! It's obvious he has a deep faith in God, but he keeps it out of the political arena and won't use it to gain politcal votes. He truly is the epitome of how true christians should behave.
 
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Thanks for your post! You are absolutely right, it's about putting all religions away from yourself and finding the truth.

I am a christian not because of church or religion, but because of the internal christ. I can not support the constitution party because in following Christ, I choose to follow his only two commandments: love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and love others as yourself. Do unto others as you would have them do to you!

Nowhere in the bible, Jesus' teachings or the US Constitution does it say I have the right to enforce or impose my will or beliefs on others.

The Constitution Party as I see it is still trying to enforce it's will on certain parts of the populace. I believe all men were created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The more I have come to know the teachings of Christ and understanding my relationship with God, the more I believe Christ was a liberal. And didn't seek to impose his will or God's will on anyone. He simply tried to spread the truth of God and man's relationship to God. I think the religious right, should actually be titled the religious wrong!

Ps. 123Tim, Ron Paul is awesome isn't he! It's obvious he has a deep faith in God, but he keeps it out of the political arena and won't use it to gain politcal votes. He truly is the epitome of how true christians should behave.

Couldn't agree more. Athiests believe that, for thousands of years religion has been abused as a tool of control by the very worst of the totalitarian leaders. It has been a bastion of hypocracy and lies and continues to be to this day. I, as a Universalist Christian frankly agree with those points. However, such grievances with organized religion are points against organized religion and say nothing about God Himself. He gave EVERYONE free will so that we may make mistakes and learn from them. Pastors and Priests are no different and make mistakes all the time. For me, faith is an individual thing and just as I do not need the State to tell me how to think, I do not feel the need for a pastor to tell me how to think.
 
Kade,

Just wondering what you think of Ron Paul?

You expect because Ron Paul is a fervent believer that I dislike him?

I don't dislike individual Christians. This is not a concern about religious alignment. Ron Paul does not support theocracy or the expulsion of non-believers from this country, and that is more than enough to respect him.

Does not mean his religion is not batshit.
 
Kade, wherever God is discussed on this forum, I see your comments, if you don't mind, what is your belief?
 
"Atheism" Strives For Freedom From Religion

Christians frighten me. I am sickened by them, and I am fearful of their horde mentality, and their lack of individualism. I despise their hatred for tolerance and secularity, and I strongly disprove of their redefining of science. The idea that a "new" church may be rising is frightening. We don't need more religious in this country advocating insanity and special revelation.

you're "new" coming of the glory ideas are going to be abused by people like Theocrat, and it will only be a matter of time before you people begin advocating flaying us up on stakes again. It's always full circle. Burn the books, hate the gays, hate the non-believers, women stay in their place, etc, etc, etc.

Been there, done that. It's too late, there is a divide in this country, and it isn't being covered by the news organizations. The non-religious are an angry people, and this isn't going to cut it anymore.

We want to see action.

The same could be said against the rise of "atheism" in this country, Kade. They seek to infiltrate our government, schools, scientific establishments, and even churches, under the disguise of neutrality. They seek to redefine morals, history, science, and a host of other issues in society to hide the truth that our nation was founded on religious principles, primarily from Christianity.

Since "atheists" want to start a culture war with Christians in our courts, legislatures, and schools, don't be surprised when we Christians begin to expose your humanistic, relativistic dogma for the danger and fraud that it is. There is no neutral ground in this battle of philosphies and worldviews. You're either for God, or you are against Him. The advances by humanists/"atheists" to remove Bible reading, prayer, and the Ten Commandments from our public institutions are strong indications that the influence of humanistic thought and practice is seeking to control the masses. There will be no "freedom of religion" once "atheism" becomes the dominant religion of the State.
 
Athiests are just as bat shit crazy as christians, jews, and satanists.

Anyone who claims they have a definitive understanding of the nature of existence is a fool.


"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. " -Bertrand Russell


(agnostics ftw!)
 
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Religion has done harm. I agree with you, hope 7134, that many a Christian and many a Christian denomonation has done a piss poor job of representing He whom they revere. But even you must admit, Kade, that the Catholic Church (the very folks who brought us Torquemada) provide more health care than any other entity, socialized or not. And you must also confess that the athiest regime of the old USSR was hardly about freedom.

Religion is a tool of faith and/or it's a tool of power. In the middle of that sentence somewhere is the fine line between prophets and false prophets. And I believe that athiesm can produce false prophets also. Perhaps those who preach and prosthelytize should be required to take a form of the Hippocratic Oath and promise to do no harm. Because religion is supposed to help people, so either you obey Hippocrates or you're a hypocrite. It's that simple.
 
Athiests are just as bat shit crazy as chrsitians, jews, and satanists.

Anyone who claims they have a definitive understanding of the nature of existence is a fool.

Who said anything about a definitive answer to anything?

Regardless of what you call yourself, if you do not believe in the supernatural nonsense, you are an atheist/agnostic/non-believer... or whatever non-label you want to put yourself in...

The most laughable concept on the face of this earth is that atheists are some sort of group of people... which, if we are, getting us to do anything collectively is the intellectual equivalent to herding stray cats.

Being in a majority of people who can't debate without collectively bashing someone does not make you immune from the label of "bat shit", regardless how hard you try.

Many of you support people who have made it clear that they actually wish to kill people for their beliefs on this forum, and you attack me for calling it out.
 
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