Tricks from the Great Depression.

My mother's family was a farming family until my mom turned 6 (in 1926). They rented the place - did not own. In 1926, the family moved to "the village." Specifically, they moved to "Atco." Atco stands for American Textile Company. The company built "the village" and rented the houses to its workers. The company also provided a school for the kids and a store where workers could buy groceries. The workers were paid in cash, in little envelopes. I have one of my grandmother's pay envelopes.

She worked 37 hours and grossed $14.32. Deductions were: $0.14 "old age benefit tax deduction," $1.00 rent, $3.85 store, $0.52 insurance. Her net income was $8.81.

I've heard stories all my life about how rough times were for them. People did all kinds of things to make money.

The company store sold coal, and the neighborhood boys would fight to get to unload the boxcar it came in on. The pay was six or seven dollars for unloading the whole boxcar. Took my uncle and another kid a solid week to get one unloaded.

My uncle says most people today will STARVE TO DEATH if they were in the position the family was in back then. :eek:

My grandmother and her neighbor asked the man in charge of the houses if they could have a garden. He said yes, told them to lay off the area they wanted plowed, and the next morning, a guy was there to plow it up. These were the first gardens in the village; soon every family had one.

My mom lied about her age and went to work in the mill when she was 17. With my grandfather and grandmother working, my uncle and my mom working, the family was able to do okay. There were 8 in the family - my mom was the oldest girl, so she and my grandmother worked different shifts and my mom was charged with watching her kid brothers and sisters. Jobs were scarce - if you didn't want yours, there were plenty of folks in line who DID want yours. Meant you had respect for the man who hired you and you didn't fuck off - else yer ass would be out the door and the next feller would get the work.

When someone in the village got sick and couldn't work, the community would have a "grocery shower" for 'em. Ever hear of those?

Here's how they work: everyone in the community is told what day the shower will take place. At some point during that day, you walk through the UNLOCKED back door of their house, and sit your contribution on their kitchen table: maybe it's a pound of coffee...maybe it's a sack of flour...maybe sugar...maybe some beans....or taters....

By the end of the day, the family has enough foodstuff to help them make it until the worker is able to get back to his job.

THAT is how it USED to work. You took care of yer own - meaning your COMMUNITY.

Sadly...those days are long gone....

eta: my dad was born in 1913. When those "New Deal" programs came along, dad was not eligible because his family owned the land they farmed. So dad joined the army and sent his pay back home to keep the family going.
 
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Sadly...those days are long gone....

Remember Utah's money bomb? It can still happen

If there's anyone who can help bring back what was good about America but went by the wayside anyway, that would be us.

After all, here we all are trying to bring back the Constitution...

Excellent post, by the way. Seems to me welfare is designed to break up this spirit of community, which was far stronger than the government's ability to convince us to stand by them. Looks like we may need to rediscover this.
 
Planting gardens and knowing how to can is a hedge against food price inflation. What you get out of the garden is basically free. If food prices go up by 3-400%, you would be quite thankful for a cellar full of canned vegetables, and perhaps a freezer full of meat. It'll taste better too.

Also, if there is widespread hunger, it won't be guys with guns coming to steal your food, it will be children. Hunger makes even the kindest man into a murderer, children will do just about anything to keep their belly full. Who's to say that rapid price inflation won't cause a lot of farms to shut down? Or slow the response to a dust bowl type event? Or hell, make fertilizer and pesticides too expensive to use, dropping yields by 80%? Widespread hunger isn't that far away. Being prepared is a good thing. That doesn't mean having 20 years of supplies on hand, just common sense and a little know-how (and some seed doesn't hurt).

Personally, I've made connections with a local family of farmers. I've made arrangements with them where they will provide me with extra produce, and I will can it and keep 50% for myself (they provide the jars and lids). So far I've saved up about 300lbs of canned veg, sauces, soups, and jelly/jam from the arrangement.

Also, be careful with water bath canning. If you are just straight canning vegetables, many of them need to be pressure canned, otherwise they can get botulism bacteria in them and you'll end up in the hospital. I would suggest you get a good book or online reference.

NEVER reuse lids. That is very dangerous. New lids are cheap. Invest in them. Rings and jars can be reused as much as you like, though. The seals on old lids can lose their seals as soon as the second use, losing you a bunch of your hard work.
 
MsDoodahs,
I wouldn't say those days are completely gone. There are still some very tight knit communities in this country. Maybe not in the suburbs or the cities but rural communities are still like that. All hope is not lost.
 
Re: the comments on canning in this thread.

Please note that there are two different methods of "canning" food. You can't just go willy-nilly about which you are going to use, else you can end up very sick or even dead. DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST!

"There are two safe ways of processing food, the boiling water bath method and the pressure canner method:

The boiling water bath method is safe for tomatoes, fruits, jams, jellies, pickles and other preserves. In this method, jars of food are heated completely covered with boiling water (212°F at sea level) and cooked for a specified amount of time.


Pressure canning is the only safe method of preserving vegetables, meats, poultry and seafood. Jars of food are placed in 2 to 3 inches of water in a special pressure cooker which is heated to a temperature of at least 240° F. This temperature can only be reached using the pressure method. A microorganism called Clostridium botulinum is the main reason why pressure processing is necessary. Though the bacterial cells are killed at boiling temperatures, they can form spores that can withstand these temperatures. The spores grow well in low acid foods, in the absence of air, such as in canned low acidic foods like meats and vegetables. When the spores begin to grow, they produce the deadly botulinum toxins(poisons).

The only way to destroy these spores is by pressure cooking the food at a temperature of 240°F, or above, for a specified amount of time depending on the type of food and altitude. Foods that are low acid have a pH of more than 4.6 and because of the danger of botulism, they must be prepared in a pressure canner."

http://www.canning-food-recipes.com/canning.htm
 
Seems to me welfare is designed to break up this spirit of community, which was far stronger than the government's ability to convince us to stand by them. Looks like we may need to rediscover this.

YES!

I have forever thought that STATE welfare was intended to DESTROY FAMILIES and COMMUNITIES!

The STATE wants everyone looking to THE STATE for help - NOT TO EACH OTHER!

It is VILE.

It is government.
 
Guys, it does not hurt to know what natural edibles are in your particular area.

Example: our tradition every year was to go pick wild blackberries on my uncle's farm over the July 4th holiday. We would have blackberry cobblers for a few days, we'd can some of the fruit for winter cobblers and we'd make jelly with some.

Also, in the spring, we would have "poke sallet" scrambled into eggs. Oh, YUMMY! CAUTION: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO EAT POKE WITHOUT DOING YER RESEARCH. It's deadly if you don't know what you're doing! :eek:
 
YES!

I have forever thought that STATE welfare was intended to DESTROY FAMILIES and COMMUNITIES!

The STATE wants everyone looking to THE STATE for help - NOT TO EACH OTHER!

It is VILE.

It is government.
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Agreed!
 
That's what I'm saying......you honestly think things are going to get so bad that people are going to come up to your house and try to rob you for food? If things ever got that bad martial law would have come and gone, and the U.S. government as we know it would have collapsed. I feel things are going to get worse before they get better are we going to see a complete breakdown of police, military, and government? Everyone is talking about food, guns and ammo but what about water? You can live weeks without food. Living in SoCal I'm a helluva lot more worried about lack of water than food or guns/ammo.

Yes, I honestly believe have-nots will try and take from the haves. And I am not willing to ignore that possibility. Yes, water is an issue for those who aren't on a well.

As a very informed RPF member has pointed out: Credit markets tightening up and possibly closing down will make it hard for truck deliveries of food and household goods because truckers require commercial credit to fill their tanks. This includes gas trucks filling storage tanks, as well as station owners who require credit to fill the storage tanks.

We operate as a debt based economy. Credit dries up and we're screwed. Flooding the market with credit helped get us in this mess in the first place.
 
Regardless if you believe that things are going to get hard or not, canning is a huge money saver. I live in Utah and here we have a long tradition of storing food, it comes from the local religions train of thought on self reliability in hard times. Me and my wife got enough food to cover all of the winter, now normally that would have cost us around 150$ to 200$ for a week of food, we were able to get a whole 6 months worth for around 600 (bulk buying). Thats allot of money saved!

Now for the people who are stocking up on food, remember that the first rule of stocking up food is to not tell anyone you have stocked up. Like it has been mentioned the have nots will take what they can.
 
The best book I've read on the great depression was by Murray Rothbard, "America's Great Depression"

http://mises.org/rothbard/agd.pdf

He pretty much lays out why the crash happened (inflationary boom) and why the fallout wouldn't have been half as bad had the government stayed out of the mess. In so many words, the great depression became the great depression because the government turned it into the great depression.
 
I've decided to dehydrate. We experimented during the hurricane power outage with dried onions, garlic, bullion, jerky, and beans. It was delicious!I don't know what to call it except for Gustav soup. The meat cooked to pieces but it was still good. A llittle hard to control the heat on our propane burner too.
 
Me too, that's why I just got one of these:

http://www.backcountry.com/store/EX...ord=&s_kwcid=katadyn pocket filter|3120945551


That pocket water filter will last me 20 years (up to 13,000 gallons)... or 5 or 10 years filtering water out of a bog.

That's a really nice filter. However, the last thing I'm worried about is organisms which is what most of those types of filters are for. I'm more worried about chemicals and other toxic substances if water become scarce. I can always boil water to remove microorganisms. What about a water purifier that desalinates? Now that would be an amazing invetion :)
 
Ms Doodahs wrote:

The boiling water bath method is safe for tomatoes, fruits, jams, jellies, pickles and other preserves. In this method, jars of food are heated completely covered with boiling water (212°F at sea level) and cooked for a specified amount of time.


Pressure canning is the only safe method of preserving vegetables, meats, poultry and seafood. Jars of food are placed in 2 to 3 inches of water in a special pressure cooker which is heated to a temperature of at least 240° F. This temperature can only be reached using the pressure method. A microorganism called Clostridium botulinum is the main reason why pressure processing is necessary. Though the bacterial cells are killed at boiling temperatures, they can form spores that can withstand these temperatures. The spores grow well in low acid foods, in the absence of air, such as in canned low acidic foods like meats and vegetables. When the spores begin to grow, they produce the deadly botulinum toxins(poisons).

She is quite right. For low acid foods pressure canning is a must.

When you contain heat and steam under pressure, you raise the boiling point of the water. Higher the pressure, the higher the temperature you can raise the water and steam to, up to the 240-250 degrees needed to completely kill microorganisms.

Mrs. Anti and I have been canning all fall, apples, veggies, meats, chicken broth, you name it.
 
That's a really nice filter. However, the last thing I'm worried about is organisms which is what most of those types of filters are for. I'm more worried about chemicals and other toxic substances if water become scarce. I can always boil water to remove microorganisms. What about a water purifier that desalinates? Now that would be an amazing invetion :)

Well I gotta couple years supply of britta water filters to filter my running water.. I also have a Reverse Osmosis filter for running water if it gets bad.

This one is for drinking out of water sheds and reservoirs where there may be a lot of homeless people around pooping in them.
 
MS Doodahs wrote:

My uncle says most people today will STARVE TO DEATH if they were in the position the family was in back then.

For what it's worth...

Famine killed 7 million people in USA

Another online scandal has been gathering pace recently. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, deleted an article by a Russian researcher, who wrote about the USA’s losses in the Great Depression of 1932-1933. Indignant bloggers began to actively distribute the article on the Russian part of a popular blog service known as Livejournal. The above-mentioned article triggered a heated debate.

The researcher touched upon quite a hot topic in the article – the estimation of the number of victims of the Great Depression in the USA. The material presented in the article apparently made Wikipedia’s moderators delete the piece from the database of the online encyclopedia.

The researcher, Boris Borisov, in his article titled “The American Famine” estimated the victims of the financial crisis in the US at over seven million people. The researcher also directly compared the US events of 1932-1933 with Holodomor, or Famine, in the USSR during 1932-1933.

In the article, Borisov used the official data of the US Census Bureau. Having revised the number of the US population, birth and date rates, immigration and emigration, the researcher came to conclusion that the United States lost over seven million people during the famine of 1932-1933.

“According to the US statistics, the US lost not less than 8 million 553 thousand people from 1931 to 1940. Afterwards, population growth indices change twice instantly exactly between 1930-1931: the indices drop and stay on the same level for ten years. There can no explanation to this phenomenon found in the extensive text of the report by the US Department of Commerce “Statistical Abstract of the United States,” the author wrote.

The researcher points out the movement of population at this point: “A lot more people left the country than arrived during the 1930s – the difference is estimated at 93,309 people, whereas 2.960,782 people arrived in the country a decade earlier. Well, let’s correct the number of total demographic losses in the USA during the 1930s by 3,054 people.”

Analyzing the period of the Great Depression in the USA, the author notes a remarkable similarity with events taking place in the USSR during the 1930s. He even introduced a new term for the USA – defarming – an analogue to dispossession of wealthy farmers in the Soviet Union. “Few people know about five million American farmers (about a million families) whom banks ousted from them lands because of debts. The US government did not provide them with land, work, social aid, pension – nothing,” the article says.

“Every sixth American farmer was affected by famine. People were forced to leave their homes and go to nowhere without any money and any property. They found themselves in the middle of nowhere enveloped in massive unemployment, famine and gangsterism.”

http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/105255-famine-0
 
That's a really nice filter. However, the last thing I'm worried about is organisms which is what most of those types of filters are for. I'm more worried about chemicals and other toxic substances if water become scarce. I can always boil water to remove microorganisms. What about a water purifier that desalinates? Now that would be an amazing invetion :)

umm, if you have the means to heat water, you can desalinate it by distillation
 
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