Trevor Lyman is back - with a MoneyBomb for Rand Paul!

[mhad]

Again, what do you propose we do about it? Get a signed public contract from Trevor that legally obligates him to remove his own donation link on the day of the moneybomb? If people aren't paying enough attention to know that they're donating to Trevor and not Rand, what makes you think they will pay attention to people pointing these things out?

You are missing the point. Its a scam he will never remove that donate button. I propose you/we don't promote/support this money bomb knowing that it is being ran by a deceiving scammer looking to take advantage of people.

 

[Jackie Moon]

Donating is giving money away. Rand Paul is the only one we trust to give money away to. If you give some one else a donation your just saying here have money. With no contract or bill of sale for anything, no guarantee it will even be used for the purpose.

Even with BTO, people took the address found in the e-mail campaign (that's required to publish in the e-mail for MailChimp) and mailed me checks. We made certain to explain throughout all communications that donations should be to Ron Paul through the official web site, and only to the web site, yet still people went out of their way to not only find the address, but also write a check to "Black This Out".

With that said, I won't support the effort unless the only donate capabilities are redirecting to randpaul.com. There should be no donate function directly on the web site anywhere, if he's being honest and trustworthy with such an important cause. If he needs to raise donations for operations, time involved, and continuance.. I'm all for that, but it needs to be a separate fundraising effort much like what Orenbus and team tried to do with Rand Paul Digital. He has one set up already, so I'm expecting to see any donate link to him directly, redirecting users to his Rally.org fundraiser only.

Yeah, this is one concern that I have and part of why I don't think we can use the RPMB accounts to get behind it.

I'll still give it the benefit of the doubt that it's well intentioned, but from the beginning we've been clear with the message that:

"All donations should be made directly to Rand's official site at RandPaul.com".

Well, to be fair... these efforts take a lot of time. I had easily over 100 hours committed to BTO over a month and probably another 20 hours communicating in detail here on the forum.

Yes, there really is a lot of time and effort involved in everything that goes in to a money bomb.

We started in August and have only taken a few days off in between Constitution Day on Sept 17th, then we helped with the campaign's "End of Quarter Push" to the 30th, then started work on November 5th, and then December 16th.

I've spent at least 30-40 hours a week straight thru since August... and the others that are actual professional coders/graphic designers/video editors donated their own time that they could have spent getting paid to do that work.

I can understand someone wanting to get compensated for their effort, but I personally just count it as volunteering for Rand. And so have the others involved.

So, yes, there can be a significant amount of cost in time involved. However, having reviewed Trevor's past efforts.. I highly doubt his time will be anywhere near that if it's mostly dealing with just throwing up a web page.

Yeah, I'm curious to see how much effort ends up getting put in to this. There have been other money bomb attempts from other groups that started and then faded away without happening.

So far the only ones that have actually happened and had tickers put up have come from us here, and Black This Out from the Rand Paul 2016 FB page. That's another thing I'm unsure of... will the campaign put up a ticker. That's a main consideration for us before starting work on one and we wouldn't start if we weren't very confident it would be adopted.

There's a decision to be made on whether we should start working our own money bomb for January. I'm going to leave it up to people to decide whether they want to support this one on the 10th, or if there's a need for us to do one. Hopefully we'll be able to see within the next couple days what kind of support and traction this one is getting.

I don't want anything I've said to make it sound like I'm being a hater. I'm all about raising more money for Rand... so if it ends up happening I hope that it's huge.

 

[mhad]

What happen the all mighty Trevor?

Yes I'm trolling right now.

 

[ARealConservative]

Until we know what the kickback is to Trevor, I think it would be foolish to go forward with this, FSP. Last time I recall Trevor pitching something here, Bryan pretty much ran him out on a rail. Trevor hasn't done anything for any candidate without asking for a huge payout, for quite some time.

wow, the irony. I held onto a vile message you sent me many years ago regarding this very same concept when I was questioning using money to fix up some retired peoples RV as they traveled about the country following Ron Paul like a groupie

Will you please stop being such a jackass? I'm not sure whether you just got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, or if this is your normal demeanor, but I don't appreciate it one bit.

Two old ladies are in trouble. Several of us want to help them. If you do not, that is completely your business, but please stop trying to dissuade everyone else. You are doing nothing but bringing everyone down.

hypocritesayswhat

 

[FriedChicken]

wow, the irony. I held onto a vile message you sent me many years ago regarding this very same concept when I was questioning using money to fix up some retired peoples RV as they traveled about the country following Ron Paul like a groupie



hypocritesayswhat

I'm afraid I don't find that quote to be very hypocritical of her.

Cautioning involvement with a campaign profiteer and choosing to help with a automobile repair chip in aren't at odds.

Furthermore, I would imagine that LE isn't against hiring people and businesses to help with volunteer efforts like money bombs but thinks the price of their service ought to be transparent.

Also, her pm to you fell short of being vile. Maybe a bit snappy but I think you're definitely being over sensitive.