Trevor Lyman is back - with a MoneyBomb for Rand Paul!

[wizardwatson]

I don't think you understand, people will donate on the day of the money bomb on his site thinking they are giving to Rand when in fact it will go to Trevor. He knows this which is why he came up with the ad donation scheme to make it even more confusing and easier for people to accidentally donate to him. I personally know people who thought they donated to Rons campaign via the RonPaul.com website. Trevor knows how this works all too well.

Anyways this money bomb isn't going anywhere as long as his name associated. Plus money bombs are dead.

Again, what do you propose we do about it? Get a signed public contract from Trevor that legally obligates him to remove his own donation link on the day of the moneybomb? If people aren't paying enough attention to know that they're donating to Trevor and not Rand, what makes you think they will pay attention to people pointing these things out?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Again, what do you propose we do about it? Get a signed public contract from Trevor that legally obligates him to remove his own donation link on the day of the moneybomb? If people aren't paying enough attention to know that they're donating to Trevor and not Rand, what makes you think they will pay attention to people pointing these things out?

Hardly. Trevor has already shown what he is. All we can do is make sure that everyone looking here is well aware of it, so that they aren't scammed like so many others have been.

Or, do you not care that people are going to donate money to Trevor, while thinking they are donating to Rand?

 

[wizardwatson]

Hardly. Trevor has already shown what he is. All we can do is make sure that everyone looking here is well aware of it, so that they aren't scammed like so many others have been.

Or, do you not care that people are going to donate money to Trevor, while thinking they are donating to Rand?

Well, I'm pretty sure I'm agreeing with you, though it's always hard to tell.

I'm just saying other than threads like this, which point to the suspicious nature of the endeavor, there isn't much we can do for those caught in the net.

I'm for all moneybomb dates coming from the official campaign only.

 

[wizardwatson]

Found at the above link:

Revolution Moneybomb for Rand Paul on January 10th, 2016

If you appreciate the amount of work it takes to create and manage this moneybomb for Rand Paul, and you would like us to hold more moneybombs for him in the future, please make a contribution to the cause!

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The mission sentence on the index page explains that money is being raised for the cost and labor of putting together this, maybe other(?) moneybombs.

Above comments call out Trevor's experience and ethics. Has he had some success's? Any failures? Mistakes?
When a person grabs the bull by the horn and moves with it, the person then is in the limelight. Bearing the brunt of the bad and enjoying the good is part of leadership.

It is expected that activism should be for free and absorb costs, I have learned. I see no issue with someone getting something for their time, labor, and expenses. If the outcome of the project is not satisfactory then it is likely that future projects from that person will not get supported. Part of the market is speaking on this thread.

I would like to see as many activists as possible have business's that are Liberty orientated.

What costs? Trevor put right on the website that to do exactly what he's doing costs about $17. I've posted that he's already made $83 with the link you quoted.

From his site:

The cost should be about $12 for a domain and $5 a month in hosting.

Let's be real. What he's doing is not exactly time intensive. Even if we assume the rally.org contribution fund is all he wants, $2500 is still a lot of money when you publicly admit on the site that your overhead is $17.

 

[tony m]

Sorry Trevor or his pet. We aren't drinking the KoolAid any longer. Trevor has had a history of this scamming. No more. Last time he tried it on here, Bryan went through the numbers, publicized it and Trevor was run off. Which is probably why he has paid someone else to come over here to promote his BS.

Trevor is trying another bait-and-switch. If you are here to support it, get lost.

One side of information is coming forward here and will have to hear from the other side.

Your insults are noted.

 

[tony m]

What costs? Trevor put right on the website that to do exactly what he's doing costs about $17. I've posted that he's already made $83 with the link you quoted.

From his site:

Let's be real. What he's doing is not exactly time intensive. Even if we assume the rally.org contribution fund is all he wants, $2500 is still a lot of money when you publicly admit on the site that your overhead is $17.

I wouldn't know what/if any costs. I am speaking in general from what I personally experienced.

 

[wizardwatson]

I wouldn't know what/if any costs. I am speaking in general from what I personally experienced.

Takes about 60 seconds of research.

Trevor lists his address in Miami, Florida. He's got his nameservers pointed at hostgator.com which on their home page lists costs to host at less than $5.

http://www.whois.com/whois/revolutionmoneybomb.com
http://www.hostgator.com/

At least he's from the US. This site gets a lot of traffic from India for some reason. Fire11 is out of Australia.

People have every reason to be suspicious of these kinds of things. The liberty movement is a perfect target for internet panhandling.

 

[tony m]

Takes about 60 seconds of research.

Trevor lists his address in Miami, Florida. He's got his nameservers pointed at hostgator.com which on their home page lists costs to host at less than $5.

http://www.whois.com/whois/revolutionmoneybomb.com
http://www.hostgator.com/

At least he's from the US. This site gets a lot of traffic from India for some reason. Fire11 is out of Australia.

People have every reason to be suspicious of these kinds of things. The liberty movement is a perfect target for internet panhandling.

I understand that, and that is what is needed.

I found out about what he is doing because he has asked folks at the DP what they think of what he is suggesting. So it sounds like this is not a one moneybomb thing. His concept is interesting so others are brainstorming it.

 

[wizardwatson]

I understand that, and that is what is needed.

I found out about what he is doing because he has asked folks at the DP what they think of what he is suggesting. So it sounds like this is not a one moneybomb thing. His concept is interesting so others are brainstorming it.

Well, I think asking people to donate to you for asking people to donate to someone else is just plain dumb. Fundraising "costs" should only be part of an official campaign. If you want to "volunteer" to help, the idea that you should be compensated for helping when Rand didn't ask you to help, is contradictory.

If you volunteered for Meals on Wheels, to bring food to old and disabled people, do you think it would be proper to ask for donations because you are helping? No, it violates the whole model.

If Trevor wants to use your argument that he should be compensated for a "liberty oriented business" he should detach from Rand, or become official, do it for free, or at least ask for itemized list of expenses. Trying to legitimize a for-profit model that piggy backs on Rand I don't think is valid.

 

[LibertyEagle]

One side of information is coming forward here and will have to hear from the other side.

Your insults are noted.

Good. I'd be sad that I had spent all that time for nothing.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I understand that, and that is what is needed.

I found out about what he is doing because he has asked folks at the DP what they think of what he is suggesting. So it sounds like this is not a one moneybomb thing. His concept is interesting so others are brainstorming it.

Yeah, he has tried to scam people a number of times. However now, he and Curt no longer have DP to dupe people for money. So, they will be making a harder push here.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

trevor lyman conman

 

[dusman]

Yeah that's what crossed my mind too. That maybe they know that a certain percentage will be confused and are counting on it.

Even with BTO, people took the address found in the e-mail campaign (that's required to publish in the e-mail for MailChimp) and mailed me checks. We made certain to explain throughout all communications that donations should be to Ron Paul through the official web site, and only to the web site, yet still people went out of their way to not only find the address, but also write a check to "Black This Out". I was quite shocked that anyone would do this willingly, so I can only imagine how many mistakenly donate through a web site instead of the campaign if there is a donate function present that goes to Trevor. Even worse, there would be no accountability at all, because those who donate would probably never think twice and just assume its going to Rand and without access to the back-end we would never know just how much is getting donated directly.

With that said, I won't support the effort unless the only donate capabilities are redirecting to randpaul.com. There should be no donate function directly on the web site anywhere, if he's being honest and trustworthy with such an important cause. If he needs to raise donations for operations, time involved, and continuance.. I'm all for that, but it needs to be a separate fundraising effort much like what Orenbus and team tried to do with Rand Paul Digital. He has one set up already, so I'm expecting to see any donate link to him directly, redirecting users to his Rally.org fundraiser only.

One thing in particular that I am very critical of is that Trevor is promoting to reach $2 million and requesting 10% donated to him/web sites advertising. That's $200,000 and I don't trust him to be honest with that amount of money, when he's in the past most likely profited from selling our '08 pledge e-mail list. If there is any vagueness to whom receives donations (from the web site), Trevor might be held liable for fraud if anyone were to raise a claim.

 

[dusman]

Sorry Trevor or his pet. We aren't drinking the KoolAid any longer. Trevor has had a history of this scamming. No more. Last time he tried it on here, Bryan went through the numbers, publicized it and Trevor was run off. Which is probably why he has paid someone else to come over here to promote his BS.

Trevor is trying another bait-and-switch. If you are here to support it, get lost.

Not to mention he was no where to be found in 2012 and I'm sure what you're pointing out is much the reason why. Perhaps he believes the base has been recycled enough to be fairly unaware. We were pretty ticked off in 2012 when we couldn't get access to the 2008 lists and it forced us to start from scratch.

 

[mhad]

Even with BTO, people took the address found in the e-mail campaign (that's required to publish in the e-mail for MailChimp) and mailed me checks. We made certain to explain throughout all communications that donations should be to Ron Paul through the official web site, and only to the web site, yet still people went out of their way to not only find the address, but also write a check to "Black This Out". I was quite shocked that anyone would do this willingly, so I can only imagine how many mistakenly donate through a web site instead of the campaign if there is a donate function present that goes to Trevor. Even worse, there would be no accountability at all, because those who donate would probably never think twice and just assume its going to Rand and without access to the back-end we would never know just how much is getting donated directly.

With that said, I won't support the effort unless the only donate capabilities are redirecting to randpaul.com. There should be no donate function directly on the web site anywhere, if he's being honest and trustworthy with such an important cause. If he needs to raise donations for operations, time involved, and continuance.. I'm all for that, but it needs to be a separate fundraising effort much like what Orenbus and team tried to do with Rand Paul Digital. He has one set up already, so I'm expecting to see any donate link to him directly, redirecting users to his Rally.org fundraiser only.

One thing in particular that I am very critical of is that Trevor is promoting to reach $2 million and requesting 10% donated to him/web sites advertising. That's $200,000 and I don't trust him to be honest with that amount of money, when he's in the past most likely profited from selling our '08 pledge e-mail list. If there is any vagueness to whom receives donations (from the web site), Trevor might be held liable for fraud if anyone were to raise a claim.

EXACTLY!! I agree 100% with everything stated. The biggest issue is Trevor knows exactly what he is doing and how it will pad his pockets in the end.

• Accidental Donations
• Selling the data

He has it all thought out very clearly. Except the fact that a few of us will beat it down here and stop the scam before it happens.

 

[dusman]

What costs? Trevor put right on the website that to do exactly what he's doing costs about $17. I've posted that he's already made $83 with the link you quoted.

From his site:

Let's be real. What he's doing is not exactly time intensive. Even if we assume the rally.org contribution fund is all he wants, $2500 is still a lot of money when you publicly admit on the site that your overhead is $17.

Well, to be fair... these efforts take a lot of time. I had easily over 100 hours committed to BTO over a month and probably another 20 hours communicating in detail here on the forum. I encourage anyone who is interested in moneybomb efforts to review the BTO thread. We maintained a high level of transparency throughout the process. There were gripes here and there and disagreements, also frustrations on time to deliver, but that was all out in the open here purposely and I think its the proper way to do these efforts.

So, yes, there can be a significant amount of cost in time involved. However, having reviewed Trevor's past efforts.. I highly doubt his time will be anywhere near that if it's mostly dealing with just throwing up a web page.

 

[JeremyR]

I'm sorry making money to collect money to redistribute is likened to a panzi scheme I guess. All the people do nothing but take money and take a cut. Kinda like a bank I guess, but they are legal schemes.

If he wants to make money get a job or a product to sell. Get on the official campaign roster if he wants to be paid legally.

100hrs at $10 is only a grand. He should be donating the majority of his time working on this. If it is successful raising a million I don't mind a reasonable little kickback or reward for his efforts.. Like a grand should more than enough to cover it.

I definitely remember the success of the 08 bomb and Trevor was part of it. Not sure exactly how much he contributed really, above just the ideas he came up with, which were successful.

 

[BarryDonegan]

There could be an effect where Trevor Lyman getting back in causes other old school Ron Paul people to jump on board to support the money bomb one last good time and if so it could have a transformational effect. Wouldn't hurt to try.

I do agree in the most general sense with Lyman's assertion that fundraising tools that pay the fundraisers incentivise more fundraising. That's the normal thing among the political fundraising circles that are out-raising Rand by exponential levels.

 

[CPUd]

Something else to think about- in 08, the concept of using the internet for crowdfunding was still novel, and this is part of why it was so successful. It empowered people, and by donating, they got something out of it for themselves- they were a part of something big. After the first big moneybomb, Ron said several of his coworkers were asking him who he hired to fundraise, and he was "LOL, I didn't ask them to do it, they just got together and did it", and they didn't believe him. They thought he was just trying to keep it secret.

By 2012, Kickstarter was mainstream, and those moneybombs were still good, but not on the level of the 2008 ones.

The moneybombs this time are still bringing in 1 or 2 weeks worth of donations in 1 or 2 days, but this is with only a few people promoting it. I believe, even if it is done "right", and everyone is on the same page, there's no way it brings in $2M without a large chunk of new donors coming in either from press coverage, or something online generating a lot of buzz about it.

 

[jurgs01]

Sounds a bit gimmicky to me.