Trevor Lyman is back - with a MoneyBomb for Rand Paul!

[JeremyR]

Paying sites 10% or any percentage is ridiculous pyramid style. They should get the standard going Industry ad rate, or click though like normal. At most. Trevor himself probably shouldn't get paid either for putting it together.

This is sad this guy has taken some cash advantage like you guys say... He did play a large role in the money bomb, I remember his name. But yes we all did the ground work not him. I agree with you guys.. He must be hard up or he wouldn't be trying to collect for his volunteering efforts.

I would say if he had proper supervision maybe he could make it happen again. Maybe it is worth a little something if he can make it happen, it's not happening right now.. I'm not supporting this at this point but any chance at a huge money bomb shouldn't be completely overlooked.

 

[Crashland]

Paying sites 10% or any percentage is ridiculous pyramid style. They should get the standard going Industry ad rate, or click though like normal. At most. Trevor himself probably shouldn't get paid either for putting it together.

I don't think pyramid would be the right description -- and it's not multilevel, just a basic kickback. The idea is that people are incentivized to put more effort into marketing the moneybomb, incentivized to basically fundraise as much as possible, which brings in donors who would not otherwise have donated to Rand's campaign had they not been exposed to said marketing. I think it's a great idea but there are right ways and wrong ways to do it, and I can't really comment on this particular one yet.

 

[wizardwatson]

Well, he's already made $43. That's enough to pay for the domain and the couple of hours it probably took to put together the web page.

https://rally.org/f/8J6DJA0TRfM

 

[wizardwatson]

This part of his site kind of confuses me:

What if I have a popular social media account and I want to help?
You’ll still need a website, but it can be a “placeholder” website with nothing in it.
The cost should be about $12 for a domain and $5 a month in hosting.
Set up and install a new WordPress website at a domain of your choice. Next, install the “Pretty Links” plugin to your WordPress website. Create a link to the moneybomb page that will go through your domain name via the pretty links plugin and use that link in all your social media promotions.
In other words, you’ll create a link like this:
http://mydomainname.com/RevolutionMoneyBomb
and it will point to:
http://RevolutionMoneyBomb.com
This way analytics can track the referral as coming from your domain, as the click will pass through it.
If you need help with this, please get in touch (lyman.trevor @ gmail.com)

Why does someone need a website to "help"?

I mean I get it, I guess. In order to "plug in" to Trevor's scheme, I get a site, push people to it which then redirects to Trevor's site, so that Trevor can measure how many clicks to his site are coming from mine and then he can give me a spot on his "contributing sites" list and encourage people to donate there.

But seriously, that's about as pyramid scheme-y as you can get. Trevor, I think you need to rethink your model. There's easier ways to organize if that's your real intent. This is only going to build mistrust for people that aren't on your list of 4000 Facebook friends.

Trying to build an activist network based on cutting people into a moneybomb skimming scheme is pretty ghetto.

 

[Crashland]

This part of his site kind of confuses me:

Why does someone need a website to "help"?

I mean I get it, I guess. In order to "plug in" to Trevor's scheme, I get a site, push people to it which then redirects to Trevor's site, so that Trevor can measure how many clicks to his site are coming from mine and then he can give me a spot on his "contributing sites" list and encourage people to donate there.

But seriously, that's about as pyramid scheme-y as you can get. Trevor, I think you need to rethink your model. There's easier ways to organize if that's your real intent. This is only going to build mistrust for people that aren't on your list of 4000 Facebook friends.

Trying to build an activist network based on cutting people into a moneybomb skimming scheme is pretty ghetto.

This part doesn't make much sense to me either, but again, 'pyramid' is not the correct description. Why not just host them all at "http://RevolutionMoneyBomb.com/[referral id]" or something similar like virtually all other websites do referrals? Of course that might require some work to change it if this is just copied from an older moneybomb.

 

[wizardwatson]

This part doesn't make much sense to me either, but again, 'pyramid' is not the correct description. Why not just host them all at "http://RevolutionMoneyBomb.com/[referral id]" or something similar like virtually all other websites do referrals? Of course that might require some work to change it if this is just copied from an older moneybomb.

Well, it's pyramid in the sense that Trevor occupies the top spot.

The "Pretty Links" plugin he's talking about:

Pretty Link is a killer plugin for people who want to mask their affiliate links, track clicks from emails, increase the reach of their website by spreading these links via Twitter, forums or comments on other blogs.

Essentially, Trevor is positioning himself as the main guy and someone else building a site is just for tracking who is under his project. For what reason? What if one of his "fellow contributors" is responsible for more traffic than he is? Is he going to split his donation money with them?

Anyway, I'm criticizing too much perhaps. He does at least put his email out there for anyone who wants to collaborate. So perhaps he is willing to split it. I just wish I guess that "activists" were more open to talking to people instead of working behind the scenes out of site and out of the conversation. This is my general gripe with the entire ecosphere of the internet really. We need transparency, and things like this smack of opportunism.

I even felt opportunist when I was selling signs and bumper stickers because I was making a little money even though I was dirt cheap compared to competitors. There really needs to be a "liberty economy" but it seems like the guys doing things are stuck in outdated strategies.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Let's just raise Rand some money which is my point. If Trevor can gather close to a million or whatever then let's do it, huh..
Rand is likely to be de-plenished in funds as we speak so perhaps an 'outsider' at this point can use whatever they got to add to what
Rand can use, despite whatever surcharge they're getting for it. If Rand gets a bounce from the early few states, he'll need us to help him out more in the next few and beyond. Hopefully, Trev can help cause we haven't seen anything up til this point that will gather the funds for the later states/bouts.

 

[Jackie Moon]

Hmm, giving it the benefit of the doubt that it is about helping Rand, it's interesting.

So, someone that wants to donate $100 to Rand would donate $100 directly at Rand's campaign website - and then an extra $10 to this site (or $90 + $10)? And then he would pool those extra donations and distribute them to the websites that advertised?

Or would people also donate the extra $10 directly the site that referred them?

I think it's good to brainstorm and see what new ideas can be thought of and tried - but am unsure about this right now, and can see a few potential issues.

I'm not sure that we'll be able to get behind it... but I won't actively work against it. I don't want to detract others from doing what they want to do.

There's been talk and I've gotten messages from people wanting to do the next money bomb. I'd rather not have competing dates/moneybombs again, but if enough people want it and will support it I will do what I can.

We've had a contest ready to use that would incentivize people to promote - either on their own or by sharing our graphics/tweets/videos - and would track their referrals and actions taken. So far we haven't had prizes to give away, but if we were going to do another money bomb I think it would really help give it a boost.

 

[dusman]

This part of his site kind of confuses me:



Why does someone need a website to "help"?

I mean I get it, I guess. In order to "plug in" to Trevor's scheme, I get a site, push people to it which then redirects to Trevor's site, so that Trevor can measure how many clicks to his site are coming from mine and then he can give me a spot on his "contributing sites" list and encourage people to donate there.

But seriously, that's about as pyramid scheme-y as you can get. Trevor, I think you need to rethink your model. There's easier ways to organize if that's your real intent. This is only going to build mistrust for people that aren't on your list of 4000 Facebook friends.

Trying to build an activist network based on cutting people into a moneybomb skimming scheme is pretty ghetto.

Yeah, that is for sure an odd way to approach it. I created a referral system on BTO to accomplish the same thing of tracking traffic from individuals for our leaderboards. I have no idea why anyone would need to create a web site. All he needs is unique referral URLs, assign them out to people who request one, and it would be far easier and get a lot more involvement.

Here are the numbers the referral system generated:

Not all that bad. That was with a little over 200 participants. It would be great to compare this with the Thunderclap numbers, if they have tracking on the pledge conversion and sessions.

Black This Out generated 250,000 sessions, so our referral system didn't generate even 5% of total traffic.

This also illustrates why it's important to develop everything on a web site. It provides a formal place for people to visit and as you can see 44% were returning, probably checking the status of the pledges. Our Facebook strategy worked well, but YouTube and Twitter weren't executed well. We had all the major Ron Paul web sites on board and they basically drove the success of the moneybomb. Trevor has the right idea to want to engage audiences from various web sites, although I'm not really sold on the way he is suggesting to accomplish it.

I'd still say the most effective way to spend money is to do Google Adword campaigns that are narrowly targeting Rand Paul search terms and doing remarketing efforts. Get YouTube working for us and make sure the big Ron Paul web sites are on board.

 

[SilentBull]

OK, so it looks like the site encourages people to

1) donate 10% directly to the websites that will be listed as being good sources of traffic for the Money Bomb site.
2) donate directly to them to help fund the money bomb efforts.
3) donate directly to Rand Paul on Money Bomb day (since I don't even think it's legal for them to donate to Rand on other people's behalf).

I have no problem with this as long as it is made perfectly clear that when you "click here to donate to it now" you are donating to Trevor and not to Rand. I see no link on that site to RandPaul.com. I would hate for people to go to that site on money bomb day and donate through there thinking they are giving Rand the money.

 

[SilentBull]

Hmm, giving it the benefit of the doubt that it is about helping Rand, it's interesting.

So, someone that wants to donate $100 to Rand would donate $100 directly at Rand's campaign website - and then an extra $10 to this site (or $90 + $10)? And then he would pool those extra donations and distribute them to the websites that advertised?
.

I don't think he'll be distributing the money to them. I think he's expecting those sites to have their own way for people to donate directly. That's what it looks like to me.

 

[LibertyEagle]

OK, so it looks like the site encourages people to

1) donate 10% directly to the websites that will be listed as being good sources of traffic for the Money Bomb site.
2) donate directly to them to help fund the money bomb efforts.
3) donate directly to Rand Paul on Money Bomb day (since I don't even think it's legal for them to donate to Rand on other people's behalf).

I have no problem with this as long as it is made perfectly clear that when you "click here to donate to it now" you are donating to Trevor and not to Rand. I see no link on that site to RandPaul.com. I would hate for people to go to that site on money bomb day and donate through there thinking they are giving Rand the money.

And that would be my guess what he is hoping for.... that people will think they are donating to Rand, but instead they will be donating to Trevor.

 

[SilentBull]

And that would be my guess what he is hoping for.... that people will think they are donating to Rand, but instead they will be donating to Trevor.

Yeah that's what crossed my mind too. That maybe they know that a certain percentage will be confused and are counting on it.

 

[JeremyR]

The reason I'm going negative on this is the reports of Trevor walking with money...

Note donating money guarantees you nothing in return. It can be a money making scheam. They have opportunity to make 100 times what the ad cost. That is draining our funds and redistributing it to themselves. Does that donation come with a bill of sale for the ad. No.

Donating is giving money away. Rand Paul is the only one we trust to give money away to. If you give some one else a donation your just saying here have money. With no contract or bill of sale for anything, no guarantee it will even be used for the purpose.

A Web site doesn't need an incentive to let you by an ad space. They will happily sell one at their normal or even discounted rate. The reason I said pyramid was not literal but siphoning money from us that could go to rand is really bad. If he believes in the cause he does it voluntarily!

 

[mhad]

Yeah that's what crossed my mind too. That maybe they know that a certain percentage will be confused and are counting on it.

He knows exactly what he is doing and this is his intent. People will donate on his site thinking it goes to the campaign and he keeps all of the money. This topic was beaten to death in 08/12 and he refused to make it clear on the money bombs sites because it only benefits him when the donations are made.

 

[wizardwatson]

He knows exactly what he is doing and this is his intent. People will donate on his site thinking it goes to the campaign and he keeps all of the money. This topic was beaten to death in 08/12 and he refused to make it clear on the money bombs sites because it only benefits him when the donations are made.

Well, he's made $83 so far. https://rally.org/f/8J6DJA0TRfM

I don't think it's anything we can really do anything about other than what you are doing which is throw some mud on Trevor. If someone wants to capitalize on the "moneybomb" meme and make money it's just statistics, they will end up getting some people who have extra money to give him. The fact that this really only works with grassroots campaign supporters is kind of shady, but again, what can you do? Even if you stalked his donor list and notified these people, they likely will say they knew the money was going to Trevor. Maybe they do plan to donate to the moneybomb as well.

 

[mhad]

Well, he's made $83 so far. https://rally.org/f/8J6DJA0TRfM

I don't think it's anything we can really do anything about other than what you are doing which is throw some mud on Trevor. If someone wants to capitalize on the "moneybomb" meme and make money it's just statistics, they will end up getting some people who have extra money to give him. The fact that this really only works with grassroots campaign supporters is kind of shady, but again, what can you do? Even if you stalked his donor list and notified these people, they likely will say they knew the money was going to Trevor. Maybe they do plan to donate to the moneybomb as well.

I don't think you understand, people will donate on the day of the money bomb on his site thinking they are giving to Rand when in fact it will go to Trevor. He knows this which is why he came up with the ad donation scheme to make it even more confusing and easier for people to accidentally donate to him. I personally know people who thought they donated to Rons campaign via the RonPaul.com website. Trevor knows how this works all too well.

Anyways this money bomb isn't going anywhere as long as his name associated. Plus money bombs are dead.

 

[tony m]

Well, he's made $83 so far. https://rally.org/f/8J6DJA0TRfM.

Found at the link:

Revolution Moneybomb for Rand Paul on January 10th, 2016

If you appreciate the amount of work it takes to create and manage this moneybomb for Rand Paul, and you would like us to hold more moneybombs for him in the future, please make a contribution to the cause!

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The mission sentence on the index page explains that money is being raised for the cost and labor of putting together this, maybe other(?) moneybombs.

Above comments call out Trevor's experience and ethics. Has he had some success's? Any failures? Mistakes?
When a person grabs the bull by the horn and moves with it, the person then is in the limelight. Bearing the brunt of the bad and enjoying the good is part of leadership.

It is expected that activism should be for free and absorb costs, I have learned. I see no issue with someone getting something for their time, labor, and expenses. If the outcome of the project is not satisfactory then it is likely that future projects from that person will not get supported. Part of the market is speaking on this thread.

I would like to see as many activists as possible have business's that are Liberty orientated.

 

[tony m]

Well, he's made $83 so far. https://rally.org/f/8J6DJA0TRfM.

Found at the above link:

Revolution Moneybomb for Rand Paul on January 10th, 2016

If you appreciate the amount of work it takes to create and manage this moneybomb for Rand Paul, and you would like us to hold more moneybombs for him in the future, please make a contribution to the cause!

***

The mission sentence on the index page explains that money is being raised for the cost and labor of putting together this, maybe other(?) moneybombs.

Above comments call out Trevor's experience and ethics. Has he had some success's? Any failures? Mistakes?
When a person grabs the bull by the horn and moves with it, the person then is in the limelight. Bearing the brunt of the bad and enjoying the good is part of leadership.

It is expected that activism should be for free and absorb costs, I have learned. I see no issue with someone getting something for their time, labor, and expenses. If the outcome of the project is not satisfactory then it is likely that future projects from that person will not get supported. Part of the market is speaking on this thread.

I would like to see as many activists as possible have business's that are Liberty orientated.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Found at the above link:

Revolution Moneybomb for Rand Paul on January 10th, 2016

If you appreciate the amount of work it takes to create and manage this moneybomb for Rand Paul, and you would like us to hold more moneybombs for him in the future, please make a contribution to the cause!

***

The mission sentence on the index page explains that money is being raised for the cost and labor of putting together this, maybe other(?) moneybombs.

Above comments call out Trevor's experience and ethics. Has he had some success's? Any failures? Mistakes?
When a person grabs the bull by the horn and moves with it, the person then is in the limelight. Bearing the brunt of the bad and enjoying the good is part of leadership.

It is expected that activism should be for free and absorb costs, I have learned. I see no issue with someone getting something for their time, labor, and expenses. If the outcome of the project is not satisfactory then it is likely that future projects from that person will not get supported. Part of the market is speaking on this thread.

I would like to see as many activists as possible have business's that are Liberty orientated.

Sorry Trevor or his pet. We aren't drinking the KoolAid any longer. Trevor has had a history of this scamming. No more. Last time he tried it on here, Bryan went through the numbers, publicized it and Trevor was run off. Which is probably why he has paid someone else to come over here to promote his BS.

Trevor is trying another bait-and-switch. If you are here to support it, get lost.