Treat anti-vaxxers like the dangerous conspiracy theorists they are

[fisharmor]

refusal to vaccinate violates the nonaggression principle

I agree with her. All opinions are not equal, and the media shouldn't pretend they are.

People who have advanced degrees in microbiology are experts. People who read Natural News are not.

I've been wondering what was taking you so long to show up and do something like completely misapply NAP and pretend like Appeal to Authority Fallacy isn't a thing.

 

[angelatc]

Do they have proof that
it was the vaccine that eradicated Smallpox, as in Diseases do fail and drop out of societies.
The plague killed 200 million , I don't believe it was stopped by vaccines.

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You should stop talking, but if you're an anti-vaxxer you won't. You stop thinking instead, and it's exactly why you and yours should be drummed out of polite society.

Name a single disease that disappeared before there was a vaccine for it.

Hint: The plague still exists.

 

[angelatc]

I've been wondering what was taking you so long to show up and do something like completely misapply NAP and pretend like Appeal to Authority Fallacy isn't a thing.

It's a quote from the article. I guess you didn't read it?

 

[angelatc]

If they aren't vaccinated won't they just die anyway? And if other kids are vaccinated then it doesn't matter, does it?

Not good enough comrade.

Not 100 percent effective.

This is the natural evolution of the Safety Uber Alles mindset: be safe or I will kill you.

I know math is super hard, so again, for the 1000th time - it matters because:

1. No vaccine is 100% effective.
2. A certain Subset of the population can't be vaccinated and therefore depends on the community around it to be not carrying disease.
3. Therefore, Community immunity has to reach a certain level to stop the spread disease.

 

[donnay]

 

[Swordsmyth]

refusal to vaccinate violates the nonaggression principle

That is nonsense, the state of nature can't violate the NAP, were people violating the NAP for thousands of years?

I agree with her. All opinions are not equal, and the media shouldn't pretend they are.

People who have advanced degrees in microbiology are experts. People who read Natural News are not.

You have a right to believe that and to tell other people what you believe, you do not have a right to impose your beliefs on others by force.

 

[DamianTV]

When you get a PhD in microbiology then you can consider yourself informed on vaccine science. Until then, you're not.

Thats almost worth a -Rep because you and Schools operate the same way, the ONLY people that are even qualified is the people that have been taught to not challenge the Holders of Information, even when we know damn good and well far to high of a percentage is flat out lies.

Yet, you always call me out for being "Big Govt". Funny thing is you would have that same Big Govt come after me for so much as asking a Question. That is called THOUGHT POLICE.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Thats almost worth a -Rep because you and Schools operate the same way, the ONLY people that are even qualified is the people that have been taught to not challenge the Holders of Information, even when we know damn good and well far to high of a percentage is flat out lies.

Yet, you always call me out for being "Big Govt". Funny thing is you would have that same Big Govt come after me for so much as asking a Question. That is called THOUGHT POLICE.

And then she wants the government to inject you with unknown substances against your will.

 

[DamianTV]

And then she wants the government to inject you with unknown substances against your will.

Theres no respect for personal choice anymore. When does that lack of respect start applying to non vaccine topics, like religion? If I am the "wrong" religion (typically wrong just means not the same) will they come and force me to be that religion? That sexuality? That political affiliation? That fan of a tv show? What if I eat the wrong brand of canned soup?

Real Freedom is and has always been to respect the Right of other people to make choices that are not the same as our own. That Right can become very difficult if you know damn good and well that a person is making a major mistake. I will respect the choice of every other person when those choices are unto themselves and themselves alone, but when it comes to things like Fiat Currency, Forced Religions, Forced Vaccines, Forced Surveillance, then I can no longer stand idly by as that is when they ARE coming for people.

The roadmap has always been the total enslavement of humanity, and its attacks come from every vector as a "foot in the door". Once they get one foot in, then the rest is sure to follow.

 

[Stratovarious]

You should stop talking, but if you're an anti-vaxxer you won't. You stop thinking instead, and it's exactly why you and yours should be drummed out of polite society.

Name a single disease that disappeared before there was a vaccine for it.

Hint: The plague still exists.

LMAO Angie Leave it to Angie to initiate her conversations with a personal insults.
Then leave it to Angie to hang herself with nonsense in her next breath.
Angie , dear Angie , the plague killed 200 million around the globe
like a 'Firestorm' .
Your response is that it still exists , lmao , look out in the street Angie the bodies are
3 feet thick.........:facepalm: go vax em Angie ..........

 

[donnay]

As the comedian Bill Engvall would say: "Here's your sign!"

“Vaccination does NOT account for the impressive declines in mortality seen in the first half of the century…Nearly 90% of the decline in infectious disease mortality among US children occurred before 1940, when few antibiotics or vaccines were available.”

https://www.learntherisk.org/diseases/

 

[fisharmor]

It's a quote from the article. I guess you didn't read it?

I forgot to add "and also show that you're incapable of picking up on nuance or realize when your argument has been logically destroyed".
I'll do better next time.

 

[fisharmor]

When you get a PhD in microbiology then you can consider yourself informed on vaccine science. Until then, you're not.

Ok so let me try to break it down.
This isn't just an Appeal to Authority argument, it's a bad one.

In order to make such an argument and have it stick, you first have to have both sides in the debate agree what constitutes an authority. So even if you had picked a field specifically related to vaccines, you would need for us to agree that
1) such a field does actually constitute expertise,
2) that the person holding said degree holds it validly,
3) that the degree came from a reputable source,
4) that this person's knowledge is current (and not reflective of a degree awarded in 1968 or so),
et cetera.

You didn't even get to step 1. You said "PhD in Microbiology".
So according to what you wrote, if I had a PhD in Microbiology and was a practicing mycologist specifically studying Ophiocordyceps unilateralis and potentially adapting it for use in the fight against fire ant spread in the Southern US, you would accept those credentials in the vaccine debate.

 

[Firestarter]

I’m glad that the WHO doesn’t point to the number 1 and 2 causes of death in the “developed” world - heart attacks and cancer: https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

 

[donnay]

Here is a woman which angelatc simply ignores.

 

[donnay]

Here is another good testimony from a doctor:

 

[Sonny Tufts]

That is nonsense, the state of nature can't violate the NAP, were people violating the NAP for thousands of years?

Of course not, because people didn't have the opportunity to do something to reduce the risk of infecting other people while going on with their usual routines. Now they do.

I didn't see anything in the article in the OP urging the government to mandate forced vaccinations. It was a call to educate and to treat the anti-vaxxers as the idiots they are through social stigmatizing:

If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Of course not, because people didn't have the opportunity to do something to reduce the risk of infecting other people while going on with their usual routines. Now they do.

Even if it is safe and effective failure to utilize it can't be a violation of the NAP, by your logic failure to comply with every safety NAZI edict is a violation of the NAP.
Even the pro-vaccination camp has to admit that there is a small chance of harm to those who are vaccinated, it isn't a violation of the NAP for me to choose to avoid that.

I didn't see anything in the article in the OP urging the government to mandate forced vaccinations. It was a call to educate and to treat the anti-vaxxers as the idiots they are through social stigmatizing:

The demonization is meant to result in the use of force:

Eighteen states allow nonmedical vaccine exemptions. This means that in 18 states, you could be sending your children to school with kids who secretly are putting them at risk of contracting a life-threatening illness. That number should be zero. Until then, the media needs to start doing its job and stop catering to conspiracy-minded celebrities.

Anti-vaxxers are a threat to public safety. It's time to start treating them as such.

Not only does the article reveal that force is the intended outcome but this article doesn't exist in a vacuum, the campaign to use force already exists and this article is part of it.

 

[donnay]

Ignorance is bliss. "...a century of scientific studies..."

 

[donnay]