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[Updated: Hearing on 6-23]Treasury whines about cost of Fort Knox audit ($15 Mill.)

Treasury whines about cost of Ron Paul's proposed Fort Knox audit
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The Treasury document says it would cost about $15 million to conduct an audit. The process would take about 30 minutes to verify the gold content of each bar, or 350,000 man hours; to do that would would take 400 people working for six months, according to the document.
$15 million??? Are you kidding me??? The Fed is printing $104 million a day. That's less than nine minutes of Fed printing. The Federal government spends $3.5 trillion a year. $15 million is less than a minute and a half of government spending. Obama's Porkulus was $800 billion. $15 million is less than 0.002% of Porkulus.

And 400 people working for six months sounds like shovel-ready jobs to me. Wasn't the Obama Administration for stimulus before they were against it?
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/treasury-whines-about-cost-of-ron-pauls.html
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UPDATE 06-17

Ron Paul's Fort Knox Fever
He demands the Treasury prove there's real gold in the vaults By Robert Schmidt
Ron Paul, the quixotic congressman and three-time Presidential candidate, has won a following among libertarians and government skeptics for his campaign to abolish the Federal Reserve. Now the Texas Republican has embarked on a new monetary mission: He wants to throw open the doors to Fort Knox.
Paul isn't so sure the nation's supply of gold is all accounted for and thinks it might not exist at all. He has introduced legislation that would require an independent count of the 5,000-plus tons of gold bullion that's sacked away in the Kentucky vault, as well as smaller amounts held in government facilities in Denver, West Point, and New York City. Paul also wants a lab to test the bars, to prove it's as pure as the U.S. Treasury Dept. says.
Paul, who has said he thinks it's possible there is no gold at Fort Knox, told Bloomberg Businessweek the government is asking the American people to trust that all the gold is there, while not allowing site visits and not publishing all the data.
As chairman of a House Financial Services subcommittee that oversees the gold stores, Paul called a hearing on the matter for June 23. One man who's looking forward to refuting the congressman's doubts: the person in Washington who has actually held those gleaming, 27-pound gold bars in his own hands. Eric M. Thorson, the inspector general of the Treasury, is responsible for keeping track of the U.S. Mint's deep storage gold and silver reserves. Last September, he became the first outsider in 37 years to be granted full access to the U.S. Bullion Depository, as Fort Knox is formally known.
Opened in 1937, the vault is encased in 16,000 cubic feet of granite and 4,200 cubic yards of concrete. The depository is a classified facility, the Mint notes on its website. No visitors are permitted, and no exceptions are made. Until September, even Thorson and his team of auditors had never stood in the presence of all the gold. Their annual reviews mostly consisted of making sure the locked compartments hadn't been opened. At the time, the tamper guards were decidedly 18th century: Each door was secured with special tape and sealing wax.
Last year the Mint upgraded to a high-security cable lock. With Thorson watching, the seals were broken. Thorson stepped inside the compartment. It is a staggering amount of gold, he says. It loses its meaning to look at it.
Thorson tried to reassure Paul that the loot is all there. I can tell you unequivocally that the gold reserves do exist in the amounts reported, and the controls over it ensure absolute security, he wrote Paul in a letter. He never heard back. The congressman's two-page bill, introduced in April, calls on the Treasury to conduct a full audit of the gold. The Government Accountability Office would then review the results. It also orders a full assay of the government's gold reserves. A small portion of each of the approximately 700,000 gold bars would be extracted and tested for purity. According to Treasury estimates, testing all that gold would take 400 people working full time for six months to complete and cost at least $15 million. Paul now says he would be satisfied with a representative sampling of the bullion.
Since the U.S. bucked the gold standard in 1971 and stopped redeeming currency for precious metal, the reserve no longer serves an essential function. Paul and other Republicans have advocated selling it to help ease the nation's debt burden. At today's price of $1,500-plus an ounce, its worth about $395 billion—a handsome sum, though barely enough to scratch the $14 trillion debt.
It's doubtful that the gold will be sold or that Paul's audit will happen. The idea has yet to attract much support and is expected to wither. It's the implication that the government has made off with the gold as part of some undefined conspiracy that bothers Thorson. It's irresponsible to say this without the evidence to back it up, he says. I have the evidence. I personally saw it.
The bottom line: Paul's theory that U.S. gold reserves may be missing plays to the conspiracy crowd—and would cost a mint to disprove.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_26/b4234039356718.htm
 
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They can pay me a million dollars for me to tell the world theres nothing there.
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Dont have to check every one. randomly check 1 out of every 100 bars. Give me 10,000 and I will have it done.
 
What does verifying the content of each bar mean? The weight or purity? That info should be stamped on each bar. At the very least there should be records. If there has been shoddy book keeping or they think they may have impure ingots then they've got bigger problems.
 
What does verifying the content of each bar mean? The weight or purity? That info should be stamped on each bar. At the very least there should be records. If there has been shoddy book keeping or they think they may have impure ingots then they've got bigger problems.

You could switch out a real bar with a stamp for a fake bar with a stamp.

You really gotta test these things carefully. Just testing the weight is not enough anymore.
 
What does verifying the content of each bar mean? The weight or purity? That info should be stamped on each bar. At the very least there should be records. If there has been shoddy book keeping or they think they may have impure ingots then they've got bigger problems.
The bars are not the same weight or purity. Some are .999 and some are .900. As for an audit- if you want it to be real and complete, the weights are typically verified on each bar and every bar is counted. There are some 380,000 of them to go through (5000 tons of gold). Selected bars will have a small amount drilled out and tested for purity. This will tell you if the records are accurate or not- which would be the reason for the audit.
 
MOD: would you please update the title of the thread :)

New development:
UPDATE 06-17

Ron Paul's Fort Knox Fever
He demands the Treasury prove there's real gold in the vaults By Robert Schmidt
Ron Paul, the quixotic congressman and three-time Presidential candidate, has won a following among libertarians and government skeptics for his campaign to abolish the Federal Reserve. Now the Texas Republican has embarked on a new monetary mission: He wants to throw open the doors to Fort Knox.
Paul isn't so sure the nation's supply of gold is all accounted for and thinks it might not exist at all. He has introduced legislation that would require an independent count of the 5,000-plus tons of gold bullion that's sacked away in the Kentucky vault, as well as smaller amounts held in government facilities in Denver, West Point, and New York City. Paul also wants a lab to test the bars, to prove it's as pure as the U.S. Treasury Dept. says.
Paul, who has said he thinks it's possible there is no gold at Fort Knox, told Bloomberg Businessweek the government is asking the American people to trust that all the gold is there, while not allowing site visits and not publishing all the data.
As chairman of a House Financial Services subcommittee that oversees the gold stores, Paul called a hearing on the matter for June 23. One man who's looking forward to refuting the congressman's doubts: the person in Washington who has actually held those gleaming, 27-pound gold bars in his own hands. Eric M. Thorson, the inspector general of the Treasury, is responsible for keeping track of the U.S. Mint's deep storage gold and silver reserves. Last September, he became the first outsider in 37 years to be granted full access to the U.S. Bullion Depository, as Fort Knox is formally known.
Opened in 1937, the vault is encased in 16,000 cubic feet of granite and 4,200 cubic yards of concrete. The depository is a classified facility, the Mint notes on its website. No visitors are permitted, and no exceptions are made. Until September, even Thorson and his team of auditors had never stood in the presence of all the gold. Their annual reviews mostly consisted of making sure the locked compartments hadn't been opened. At the time, the tamper guards were decidedly 18th century: Each door was secured with special tape and sealing wax.
Last year the Mint upgraded to a high-security cable lock. With Thorson watching, the seals were broken. Thorson stepped inside the compartment. It is a staggering amount of gold, he says. It loses its meaning to look at it.
Thorson tried to reassure Paul that the loot is all there. I can tell you unequivocally that the gold reserves do exist in the amounts reported, and the controls over it ensure absolute security, he wrote Paul in a letter. He never heard back. The congressman's two-page bill, introduced in April, calls on the Treasury to conduct a full audit of the gold. The Government Accountability Office would then review the results. It also orders a full assay of the government's gold reserves. A small portion of each of the approximately 700,000 gold bars would be extracted and tested for purity. According to Treasury estimates, testing all that gold would take 400 people working full time for six months to complete and cost at least $15 million. Paul now says he would be satisfied with a representative sampling of the bullion.
Since the U.S. bucked the gold standard in 1971 and stopped redeeming currency for precious metal, the reserve no longer serves an essential function. Paul and other Republicans have advocated selling it to help ease the nation's debt burden. At today's price of $1,500-plus an ounce, its worth about $395 billion—a handsome sum, though barely enough to scratch the $14 trillion debt.
It's doubtful that the gold will be sold or that Paul's audit will happen. The idea has yet to attract much support and is expected to wither. It's the implication that the government has made off with the gold as part of some undefined conspiracy that bothers Thorson. It's irresponsible to say this without the evidence to back it up, he says. I have the evidence. I personally saw it.
The bottom line: Paul's theory that U.S. gold reserves may be missing plays to the conspiracy crowd—and would cost a mint to disprove.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_26/b4234039356718.htm
 
What we need to do is this:

Have a Ron Paul Audit Fort Knox money bomb..just for the purpose of auditing the gold.
 
We gotta make sure theres no al-qaeda in the gold.... $15 million is a small price to pay... Ill do it for $1 million
 
Once audited, anything entering or leaving the vault should be recorded in a log thus eliminating the need for a future audit. The persons doing the recording in the log should be certified and if there is any discrepancy, they would be held accountable.

Wait a minute.... wasn't that the way it was set up to begin with?
 
Tungsten Baby!

Let's take the Libtard view... It's creating Jobs! 100's of shovel ready jobs! Let's see how Nancy, Steny, and the collectivist crew vote on this.
 
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