Toughen up! The video 'assaulting' a female reporter is ridiculous (good read)

[silverhandorder]

Someone should save this and paste it every time he says anything against Trump.

 

[CPUd]

So, lying about another candidate and possessing a double standard is somehow ok, because you don't like the candidate. Gotcha. Some principles you have there. lol

Where do I say it is OK to lie about a candidate?

 

[CPUd]

Someone should save this and paste it every time he says anything against Trump.

They would do much better to post cat gifs.

 

[jmdrake]

If someone had been rushing Ron, especially after repeatedly being told by the Secret Service to back off, I venture to say most here would have applauded more being done than merely pulling her back from Ron.

Well I applauded Rand for distancing himself from the overzealous supporter that threw a protestor to the ground and put a foot on her neck. I think Rand (not the overzealous supporter) did the right thing. I'm still curious as to why the Secret Service apparently didn't do anything but talk to the reporter. I'm also curious as to why of all of the other reporters that were around Trump at the time, this particular reporter was apparently of such grave concern. If it was an assassination attempt the four photographers standing just a few feet away from Trump were in perfect position to try something.

 

[silverhandorder]

Well I applauded Rand for distancing himself from the overzealous supporter that threw a protestor to the ground and put a foot on her neck. I think Rand (not the overzealous supporter) did the right thing. I'm still curious as to why the Secret Service apparently didn't do anything but talk to the reporter. I'm also curious as to why of all of the other reporters that were around Trump at the time, this particular reporter was apparently of such grave concern. If it was an assassination attempt the four photographers standing just a few feet away from Trump were in perfect position to try something.

Ah the fake tears. I tell you what find me a Trump supporter that was turned off. Otherwise I don't know why you doing this.

I would not have had a problem is she got slammed to the floor. But I guess that's why I will never be responsible for a national campaign.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well I applauded Rand for distancing himself from the overzealous supporter that threw a protestor to the ground and put a foot on her neck. I think Rand (not the overzealous supporter) did the right thing. I'm still curious as to why the Secret Service apparently didn't do anything but talk to the reporter. I'm also curious as to why of all of the other reporters that were around Trump at the time, this particular reporter was apparently of such grave concern. If it was an assassination attempt the four photographers standing just a few feet away from Trump were in perfect position to try something.

No one claimed that it was an assassination attempt. But, when you see someone rushing toward your candidate, I would hope they wouldn't take the time to do a study of all the other people in the crowd, before they stopped the person doing the rushing.

Fields has made a mountain out of a molehill. I have seen video posted that shows that the campaign manager grabbed her UPPER arm. Where were those bruises that Michelle claims she got from the incident?

This whole thing is stupid. She should have backed off when the Secret Service told her to. TWICE. And if she wasn't going to, she had to expect that she would be stopped. Cry me a river.

 

[RJB]

If the campaign manager had a badge, a lot of the people crying assault would probably be fine if he tackled her, tazed her and shackled her. This doesn't even approach the violence we see dished out by .gov.

I hate coming to the defense of Trump, but these baseless claims against him put his supporters in defensive mode, solidifying their positions.

 

[CPUd]

 

[Valli6]

I don't support Trump or any other candidate of the duopoly, but...

Michelle Fields must think female reporters need to be another protected class.
Fuck that! It's insulting to females.

 

[jmdrake]

No one claimed that it was an assassination attempt. But, when you see someone rushing toward your candidate, I would hope they wouldn't take the time to do a study of all the other people in the crowd, before they stopped the person doing the rushing.

Ummmmm....

1) I didn't say anyone claimed it was an assassination attempt. Where did you get that from? Not from anything I actually said. My point regarding the assassination attempt is that the reason to take someone down who is rushing your candidate is if you think there may be an assassination attempt.

2) She wasn't rushing Donald Trump. At least not in the video that's been posted. You just made that up.

3) I see you totally ignored the point I made about what happened with Rand after making the dubious claim that everyone would applaud someone who did "worse" than what happened to Fields to anyone seen "rushing" towards Ron. (And again Fields was not "rushing" towards Trump).

4) If you don't see the bruises on the picture that you posted then you are color blind. Do I need to circle them for you and repost the pic?

5) The point I was making about the photographers is that, if the claim is true that the Secret Service was telling reporters not to be around Trump since the press conference was over, they should have told all reporters to do that. That's simply safety. If anybody could be a potential assassin than anybody could be a potential assassin.

6) All political candidates as high profile as Trump should certainly have security. I'm not sure where Trump's personal security detail was. I'm not sure why the SS didn't simply handle matters themselves rather than waiting on the campaign manager to do something. Do you not find that the least bit strange?

 

[jmdrake]

If the campaign manager had a badge, a lot of the people crying assault would probably be fine if he tackled her, tazed her and shackled her. This doesn't even approach the violence we see dished out by .gov.

I hate coming to the defense of Trump, but these baseless claims against him put his supporters in defensive mode, solidifying their positions.

That's just it. There were professionals around Trump with badges that apparently (off the record) confirm that told Fields not to come closer but they didn't do anything? And supposedly they only told this to Fields but apparently not to anybody else? Something stinks.

 

[klamath]

Ummmmm....

1) I didn't say anyone claimed it was an assassination attempt. Where did you get that from? Not from anything I actually said. My point regarding the assassination attempt is that the reason to take someone down who is rushing your candidate is if you think there may be an assassination attempt.

2) She wasn't rushing Donald Trump. At least not in the video that's been posted. You just made that up.

3) I see you totally ignored the point I made about what happened with Rand after making the dubious claim that everyone would applaud someone who did "worse" than what happened to Fields to anyone seen "rushing" towards Ron. (And again Fields was not "rushing" towards Trump).

4) If you don't see the bruises on the picture that you posted then you are color blind. Do I need to circle them for you and repost the pic?

5) The point I was making about the photographers is that, if the claim is true that the Secret Service was telling reporters not to be around Trump since the press conference was over, they should have told all reporters to do that. That's simply safety. If anybody could be a potential assassin than anybody could be a potential assassin.

6) All political candidates as high profile as Trump should certainly have security. I'm not sure where Trump's personal security detail was. I'm not sure why the SS didn't simply handle matters themselves rather than waiting on the campaign manager to do something. Do you not find that the least bit strange?

The answer to 6 is they knew she was not a threat just a pesky reporter as they all are. The reason the campaign manager leaped in is because he didn't want any embarrassing questions asked.

 

[Wooden Indian]

I am NOT a Trump supporter and would never vote for the sumbitch... BUT, y'all are making a mountain out of a mole hill here. There's nothing to see but someone making an arse outta herself. Plenty of things to hate Trump on... this aint one of em.

 

[RJB]

Compare this to: "Don't taze me, bro."

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Compare this to Rubio campaign guy lashing out. The media handled it a bit differently then they are handling this:

http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/20/rand-paul-2016-the-diary-of-a-wimpy-campaign/

 

[RJB]

That's just it. There were professionals around Trump with badges that apparently (off the record) confirm that told Fields not to come closer but they didn't do anything? And supposedly they only told this to Fields but apparently not to anybody else? Something stinks.

. I agree and it stinks on many levels in this race. The start of the campaign had promise. A good debate of the libertarianism of Rand vs the socialism of Bernie. Now it's just a circus on all sides and not good because it is hiding some very dark issues. Instead of discussing them we are throwing around accusations of racism to "they just want free stuff.". People are trusting those in power who drone children rather than their neighbor or brother. There are some bad times in store for us.

 

[DavesNotHere]

MOFO had a couple of examples of a possible double standard.

 

[Bryan]

Yes, that the topic of this thread from the article posted is more - isn't Ms Fields more guilty of battery herself - against Trump, not his manager, right before that? I'm I missing where you addressed it?

No, I did not address it one way or the other - that's not a requirement for participating in a thread, I was addressing a point already made. I will however address it as you wish...

First, as I previously indicated I hadn't really looked into this case, this is because I do not see it has any real relevance to the election. At most one could try to build a case that, if all the bad things were true, that Trump doesn't have a good judgement on character. As Trump has done extremely well in the business world I'd see that as a hard case to make since being a good judge of character for your needs is critical for success.


Anyways, to address your point if Ms Fields is more guilty of battery herself - I think that Piers Morgan (the author) makes a good point, when questioning Lewandowski actions by musing "But there has to be some kind of harmful intent surely?"

Could we also apply that principles to Ms Fields? Do you think she had some kind of harmful intent in her contact with Trump, or not? What was the purpose of Ms Field's actions? Is there any indication she was trying to be harmful?

A few other points - while there are statements that Ms Fields was told to back off, is there any indication that she heard and acknowledged this command? Based on the activity in the room, it seems likely it was loud, and it's possible she was focused on her job. I have no idea what is the case, so I'm asking for confirmation that she did know. Was someone in her face saying "stop!" or was it said under someones breath, or what?


Since you asked for a determination of "more guilty" we need to examine both sides...

What was the purpose of Lewandowski's actions? Was he trying to physically impede Ms. Fields? Was he concerned about Trumps safety? Was he wanting to ensure compliance with the Secret Services directives? Did he just want the reporter away from Trump for campaign reasons? Was he concerned about Trump's time or energy level?

Is the annotation in this picture accurate? Are these two secret service agents?

If so, were they concerned about Trumps safety? Was Lewandowski seeing something, or otherwise more aware of a security issue than the secret service agents?

Answering these questions will help us resolve this issue.

Further, I would appreciate if answered if you still stand by your statement that "Ms Fields was claiming he threw her to the ground?" - if so, please share where she said this.

Thanks for your answers!