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Too many liberty people have a defeatist attitude:
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DamianTV
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Perhaps what is needed is to use the Defeatist Attitude to our advantage?
Get the police to quit abusing people because these people will do the same thing regardless of their involvements or not. It can undermine the Monopoloy on Violece when they choose to embrace Defeatism and dont commit violence. What else could happen on the other two Monopolies: Belief and Money? MSM gives up on Fearmongering because no one listens? Low level employees in the Banking sector give up on being bastards because theyve already taken every last dime that people own?
Can our Defeatism unite us?
There are a lot of valid reasons that people embrace Defeatism and just give up. When people realize that putting forth anything above and beyond the minimum level of effort goes unrewarded, they tend to embrace Defeatism. The Parasites at the top of our Pyramid of Control survive by us continuing to feed that very same system with our energy and continued efforts. We work for them, not ourselves. The fruits of our labors are no longer our own. People recognize the choice between what is Right and what is Easy. When the benefits of what is Easy (Defeatism) outweigh the benefits of what is Right, people may choose to give up. Its the same reason as may Illegal Immigrants come here, Open Borders + Welfare State. Theyve given up on providing for themselves and take the Easy Defeatism path of Welfare. Its the same exact reason that a person who is upside down on their Mortgage (Death Contract, literal translation) simply "walk away" from "bad debt". And that could be exactly what is needed. Quit feeding into the system that thrives and prospers on our efforts to combat the system. We try to fight the system because we think we can win, and they use our "moves and counter moves" against us. We take an action, they try to make us look like fools. If we were to take up arms (which is what I suspect the Status Quo wants), they now have an excuse to ban all weapons. It feeds into the system.
I think the Real Defeatism is the realization that it is our own actions that support the continued existence Status Quo. Our Defeatism is giving up on this system that threw us all overboard in the year 1913. What we are really giving up on is the system that does NOT work. Did you give up? I have. And that is why we have both chosen to undermine the current system. And our numbers continue to grow. We have almost all of us given up on the idea that eliminating Freedom only benefits the Status Quo itself. Thus, that very same Defeatism works to our advantage. It binds us together, since we tend to focus more so on common traits instead of embracing our differences. Cops will have kids that will not grow up to be Cops, but want to be something else. Many will want to be Teachers and Creators, not Parasites and Abusers. Its a perfectly good reason for Cops to embrace Defeatism and just put forth the minimum level of effort that it takes to keep their jobs. It lowers the standards they all need to achieve, and when that happens, they dont bother. Unfortunately, they end up going after the "low hanging fruit", the non violent criminals that are the easiest to catch and imprison. The pot smokers. The non violent citizen. The speeders. So why not just encourage those that are on the take to give up also? Its like giving up on Elections and choosing to vote for "Nobody". "Nobody" will let you not pay your taxes. "Nobody" will protect you. "Nobody" will leave you alone. "Nobody" will bring about "change you can believe in". And in a sense, "Nobody" really is the best Political Candidate.
Defeatism is the realization of the Cloward Piven Strategy in full force.
What is really happening here is that Collectivism is showing its structural weaknesses and is why people are embracing Defeatism. The change that is taking place is that when people embrace Defeatism, it is merely people awakening to the idea that putting all your efforts towards the betterment of the Collective does not provide any meaningful benefits for the Individual. Defeatism is the transition from Collectivism to Individualism. We live in a society that defines each individual by their worth and roles in the Collective. We look at women for their reproductive values, and men are defined by their Jobs. If a man does not have a Job, they are viewed by the Collective as "worthless" regardless of how that individual defines themselves. And that is what is changing. People are experiencing Defeatism and recognizing that they are not the things that they own or the actions they make that benefits the collective. They are abandoning the inevitable end of Consumerism. Yet, without a path to a positive self identity, they feel lost. Your parents always told you to "just be yourself", and this contradicts every single thing that our modern consumeristic collectivist society seeks to brand the individual as. You are your Job. You are your Debt. You are your Money. What you are not is your Self. You are not your Thoughts. You are not how you feel about others. Every self defining characteristic has been displaced by a manufactured quality. Your creativity is not required by those in the Status Quo. What is required of you is to repeat their ideas so you apply those same labels you bear on to others. You created the Jonses by the glorification of consumerism. I wish I had your Boat, your Car, your Job, your House. You failed to treat the Jones as a person and applied Status Quo Labels. You didnt tell the Jones they were good because they chose to Homeschool their children to the best of their ability. You shunned them when they questioned the efficacy of Vaccines. You ostracised them when Mr and Mrs Jones lost their good paying jobs and could no longer feed themselves. You did not support them, or try to teach them to understand that others have been defeated by this very same system. The term "you" also includes me. But perhaps, that is exactly what is needed. Reward the Jones emotionally when they give up, and make them feel like they just joined the largest growing class in history. Welcome them to Generation X and the children of Generation X. Praise them when they abandon the system that we have embraced and supported instead of what Freedom really means, the Definition of Self as each person sees fit to define themselves as.
When we all become Defeatists, we can easily overthrow the system by simply walking away from it. It is only with our continued effort to support this failing system that it has any chance of survival. We can then see ourselves once again as Individuals that are Free instead of a Group that is Owned by a small group of Parasitic Elites.
Get the police to quit abusing people because these people will do the same thing regardless of their involvements or not. It can undermine the Monopoloy on Violece when they choose to embrace Defeatism and dont commit violence. What else could happen on the other two Monopolies: Belief and Money? MSM gives up on Fearmongering because no one listens? Low level employees in the Banking sector give up on being bastards because theyve already taken every last dime that people own?
Can our Defeatism unite us?
There are a lot of valid reasons that people embrace Defeatism and just give up. When people realize that putting forth anything above and beyond the minimum level of effort goes unrewarded, they tend to embrace Defeatism. The Parasites at the top of our Pyramid of Control survive by us continuing to feed that very same system with our energy and continued efforts. We work for them, not ourselves. The fruits of our labors are no longer our own. People recognize the choice between what is Right and what is Easy. When the benefits of what is Easy (Defeatism) outweigh the benefits of what is Right, people may choose to give up. Its the same reason as may Illegal Immigrants come here, Open Borders + Welfare State. Theyve given up on providing for themselves and take the Easy Defeatism path of Welfare. Its the same exact reason that a person who is upside down on their Mortgage (Death Contract, literal translation) simply "walk away" from "bad debt". And that could be exactly what is needed. Quit feeding into the system that thrives and prospers on our efforts to combat the system. We try to fight the system because we think we can win, and they use our "moves and counter moves" against us. We take an action, they try to make us look like fools. If we were to take up arms (which is what I suspect the Status Quo wants), they now have an excuse to ban all weapons. It feeds into the system.
I think the Real Defeatism is the realization that it is our own actions that support the continued existence Status Quo. Our Defeatism is giving up on this system that threw us all overboard in the year 1913. What we are really giving up on is the system that does NOT work. Did you give up? I have. And that is why we have both chosen to undermine the current system. And our numbers continue to grow. We have almost all of us given up on the idea that eliminating Freedom only benefits the Status Quo itself. Thus, that very same Defeatism works to our advantage. It binds us together, since we tend to focus more so on common traits instead of embracing our differences. Cops will have kids that will not grow up to be Cops, but want to be something else. Many will want to be Teachers and Creators, not Parasites and Abusers. Its a perfectly good reason for Cops to embrace Defeatism and just put forth the minimum level of effort that it takes to keep their jobs. It lowers the standards they all need to achieve, and when that happens, they dont bother. Unfortunately, they end up going after the "low hanging fruit", the non violent criminals that are the easiest to catch and imprison. The pot smokers. The non violent citizen. The speeders. So why not just encourage those that are on the take to give up also? Its like giving up on Elections and choosing to vote for "Nobody". "Nobody" will let you not pay your taxes. "Nobody" will protect you. "Nobody" will leave you alone. "Nobody" will bring about "change you can believe in". And in a sense, "Nobody" really is the best Political Candidate.
Defeatism is the realization of the Cloward Piven Strategy in full force.
What is really happening here is that Collectivism is showing its structural weaknesses and is why people are embracing Defeatism. The change that is taking place is that when people embrace Defeatism, it is merely people awakening to the idea that putting all your efforts towards the betterment of the Collective does not provide any meaningful benefits for the Individual. Defeatism is the transition from Collectivism to Individualism. We live in a society that defines each individual by their worth and roles in the Collective. We look at women for their reproductive values, and men are defined by their Jobs. If a man does not have a Job, they are viewed by the Collective as "worthless" regardless of how that individual defines themselves. And that is what is changing. People are experiencing Defeatism and recognizing that they are not the things that they own or the actions they make that benefits the collective. They are abandoning the inevitable end of Consumerism. Yet, without a path to a positive self identity, they feel lost. Your parents always told you to "just be yourself", and this contradicts every single thing that our modern consumeristic collectivist society seeks to brand the individual as. You are your Job. You are your Debt. You are your Money. What you are not is your Self. You are not your Thoughts. You are not how you feel about others. Every self defining characteristic has been displaced by a manufactured quality. Your creativity is not required by those in the Status Quo. What is required of you is to repeat their ideas so you apply those same labels you bear on to others. You created the Jonses by the glorification of consumerism. I wish I had your Boat, your Car, your Job, your House. You failed to treat the Jones as a person and applied Status Quo Labels. You didnt tell the Jones they were good because they chose to Homeschool their children to the best of their ability. You shunned them when they questioned the efficacy of Vaccines. You ostracised them when Mr and Mrs Jones lost their good paying jobs and could no longer feed themselves. You did not support them, or try to teach them to understand that others have been defeated by this very same system. The term "you" also includes me. But perhaps, that is exactly what is needed. Reward the Jones emotionally when they give up, and make them feel like they just joined the largest growing class in history. Welcome them to Generation X and the children of Generation X. Praise them when they abandon the system that we have embraced and supported instead of what Freedom really means, the Definition of Self as each person sees fit to define themselves as.
When we all become Defeatists, we can easily overthrow the system by simply walking away from it. It is only with our continued effort to support this failing system that it has any chance of survival. We can then see ourselves once again as Individuals that are Free instead of a Group that is Owned by a small group of Parasitic Elites.
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I was going to post in this thread, but don't think it will do any good.
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But if you don't vote... how would you win elections????
Be in charge of counting the ballots, duh.
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What the right number and how do you propose to get there?
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Defeatism? I'm already saving for the next election cycle....
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...uld-be-saving-NOW-for-the-next-election-cycle
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...uld-be-saving-NOW-for-the-next-election-cycle
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Every second spent hating on someone else's effort is a second wasted on a personal inching towards liberty.
