Tom Woods: My Memories of Jesse Benton
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Look guys, for the record, I haven't "liked" Benton since the first campaign when it appeared that he spent more of his time trying to woo Ron's granddaughter instead of doing his job. As evidenced by all the media requests that were not being responded to. But, I did hope that over the years he had improved and it seemed that maybe he had since he seemed to do a decent job on Rand's campaign there at the end. But, that may have had more to do with Trygvie.
But, that still doesn't mean I agreed with him being blamed for everything that people were upset with in the campaign, or frankly in Ron's placement in the race. Not all of that was Benton's fault. That however doesn't mean that I ever thought he was that good at what he did. I just don't bitch about it on the forums. Which is airing our dirty laundry both to the press and to other campaigns. It never seemed intelligent. What I do is contact people in the campaign about my concerns.
I am glad Benton is gone. He needed to go. But, that still doesn't mean I am going to jump on board a bash bandwagon. That is just not my way.
As far as Dr. Woods is concerned, it appears I was wrong about the PAC being the reason he wasn't asked to be on the campaign. But, again, I'm still not willing to just automatically agree that Woods has named the reason. It's only one side of this thing and I haven't heard the campaign's. And at this point, I don't really care.
What I do know for sure is that there are a whole lot of massive egos in this movement and also some who make their living off of it. Sometimes, I wish we could go back to the days that we had in the first campaign, when everyone was in this for one reason and one reason only. To get Dr. Paul elected. Do some of you remember those days? We never wondered about ulterior motives. Maybe people hadn't figured out at that time that there was money to be made off of it, I don't know. But, there didn't seem to be nearly as much backstabbing; at least until the end.
But, that still doesn't mean I agreed with him being blamed for everything that people were upset with in the campaign, or frankly in Ron's placement in the race. Not all of that was Benton's fault. That however doesn't mean that I ever thought he was that good at what he did. I just don't bitch about it on the forums. Which is airing our dirty laundry both to the press and to other campaigns. It never seemed intelligent. What I do is contact people in the campaign about my concerns.
I am glad Benton is gone. He needed to go. But, that still doesn't mean I am going to jump on board a bash bandwagon. That is just not my way.
As far as Dr. Woods is concerned, it appears I was wrong about the PAC being the reason he wasn't asked to be on the campaign. But, again, I'm still not willing to just automatically agree that Woods has named the reason. It's only one side of this thing and I haven't heard the campaign's. And at this point, I don't really care.
What I do know for sure is that there are a whole lot of massive egos in this movement and also some who make their living off of it. Sometimes, I wish we could go back to the days that we had in the first campaign, when everyone was in this for one reason and one reason only. To get Dr. Paul elected. Do some of you remember those days? We never wondered about ulterior motives. Maybe people hadn't figured out at that time that there was money to be made off of it, I don't know. But, there didn't seem to be nearly as much backstabbing; at least until the end.
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Because starting a thread such as that about a member of the campaign was not only immature, it was ignorant! Other campaigns were all over this forum, in addition to the media.
As far as your comment about Rand goes, yes, I still support him at this time. But, just like anyone, including Ron, I will watch his votes. At this point, I think he's doing pretty great. He's certainly the best Senator we have had in decades. If you call that being an "apologist", okey dokey.
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Maybe you should had been the Campaign Manager?
Where is that coming from?
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We really need to regroup, '08 style.
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It comes from you hovering over independent individuals who have a first amendment unalienable right to speak their minds. If anyone has an opposing opinion that you do not agree with, we get the Forum Nanny first degree on how we are hurting the campaign or not toeing the party line. You have spoken several times in this forum of your disdain for Adam Kokesh, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, and others in the liberty movement. Sounds much like the things Jesse Benton did in this campaign, as campaign manager.
I dunno...just an independent observation?
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Let me get this straight. If you libel Rand Paul, or other people's chosen path in getting liberty candidates elected, you would prefer if I just sat there and shut up. Sorry, but that isn't going to happen. However, if you wish to stop it, it is in your hands. Stop bashing.
Nine times out of ten, Donnay, I have only done that if they have attacked someone in the liberty movement itself. But, I am far from perfect and I have admitted it when I have been wrong.
But, fair warning, don't push me or I will give you my independent observation about you.
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In 2004/5 I wanted the liberty message spread and that's all I want to this day. Pointing ppl towards RP back then as now was an effective method to spread the word. Though I've chanted for it all along, done a few phone from homes, blogged endlessly, email fwd's of 1000's of youtube flicks, joined countless forums to chant RP... I never expected him to be elected president. I wanted people to understand libertarianism and become aware of their God given and constitutional rights; and becoming aware of the raping they're getting from their government. Helping RP into the limelight to chant that message was all I was ever after. The college tour this past year was pure gold. The changes in fox news over the past 4 years have been gold.
Even with Jesse in the way, I feel like both the 2008 and 2012 campaigns were big wins.
That said, I also think the US is a few decades, a few constitutional amendments, several score high level indictments, and a major crash away from the social revolution necessary to return to a constitutional republic. The establishment smashed RP in 2012 and off the back of momma spider came hundreds of babies. We'll see how they mature.
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LMAO...now it's libel? LOL!!
Can you possibly come to grips with the idea that some here do not like Rand's endorsement of Romney?
It's not bashing.
It doesn't mean anyone HATES him.
It's not an attack on you.
It's not an attack on those who wish to work within the GOP.
And it most certainly is NOT libel.
Hyperbole much?
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Oh, I got it somewhere between the 1st time you and your buds said it and the 500th time.
Well, I'm thinking those who called him a TRAITOR, were kinda bashing him.
Surely, you jest. How many times have you and your crew talked about how stupid it was for anyone to keep working inside the GOP, or ridiculed those who refused to throw Rand under the bus because he endorsed Romney?
Honesty much?
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I just got home and found out...snicker..snicker...
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Oh, I got it somewhere between the 1st time you and your buds said it and the 500th time.
Well, I'm thinking those who called him a TRAITOR, were kinda bashing him.
Surely, you jest. How many times have you and your crew talked about how stupid it was for anyone to keep working inside the GOP?
You know Einstein said it best: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
The two parties are corrupt! To work within the party to think you are going to make a difference is the equivalent to infiltrating the Mafia to make them go legit. It isn't going to happen and is quite delusional to think it is possible.
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See the McConnell thread.
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With glee I read Tom Wood's post. I've not liked Jesse Benton since I saw him in 2007 smacking his gum next to Ron Paul in almost every speech. Sadly Ron Paul has a weakness towards family and campaign management.
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Obviously, you don't.Oh, I got it somewhere between the 1st time you and your buds said it and the 500th time.
Yeah, I saw that in the first few days after the endorsement. Emotions were running high, and some of us were stung by this...very badly. I still disagree with his decision, and I'm not sure I'm ready to fully trust him right now, but I'm not calling him a TRAITOR. I may even end up supporting him if he runs in 2016...but we have to wait and see what happens between now and then.
*sigh* Calling an action "stupid" (working within the GOP) is not the same as calling YOU stupid. I'm not even sure I've used the word "stupid"...I would be more likely to use "ill-advised" or something to that effect.
LE, I'm at a loss as to why you persist in making stuff up about people who disagree with you. I haven't "ridiculed those who refuse to throw Rand under the bus because he endorsed Romney". If you want to support Rand from now until forever, that's your decision and you're welcomed to it. (I'm a libertarian; I don't force my opinions on others). But YOU, on the other hand, cannot stand that ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE may have a different opinion of Rand. You follow people around and DEMAND that they STFU if they say something negative about him...yes, I said it reminds me of someone with a schoolgirl crush on him. That may be ridiculing but it's not because you refuse to throw him under the bus...it's because you act like a momma bear whose cub has been insulted whenever someone sees him differently than you do.
It would be nice if we could see some from you once in awhile.
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