Tom Woods Goes Primal!

[Acala]

If you don't want to go primal, you can still have huge amounts of carbs through fruits and potatoes.



Does your personal experience include a period where you ate 50%+ carbs but only from fruits and maybe potatoes?

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Nope. I don't like the feeling I get from massive doses of carbs, especially fructose. It interrupts my satiation circuits and I get ravenous and end up gorging and then feeling inflamed. Fructose has been shown to disrupt leptin receptors and insulin spikes are inflammatory.

 

[Acala]

I don't comment on the links because I read them all and there are also links that argue that burning carbs/sugar is better. I don't worry too much about the links because in the end it's about seeing what works for one's body, and maybe not everyone's ideal diet is the same.

I would be interested in the links explaining why burning carbs is better.

 

[jj-]

Nope. I don't like the feeling I get from massive doses of carbs, especially fructose. It interrupts my satiation circuits and I get ravenous and end up gorging and then feeling inflamed. Fructose has been shown to disrupt leptin receptors and insulin spikes are inflammatory.

But that has been disputed. Some say fructose is only bad in the presence of lots of polyunsaturated fats and if you cut all vegetable oils and mayo and nuts high in polyunsaturated fats you can eat tons of fructose and it's beneficial. Again, a study is not going to tell you what's good for everyone, at least in the current state of the science, only trying these things out can determine what's best for one.

 

[jj-]

I would be interested in the links explaining why burning carbs is better.

K. Gonna look for the link now.

 

[Fredom101]

It's funny, 2 of my biggest interests lately have been RP/Liberty and Primal eating/lifestyle. Looks like Tom Woods is bringing the 2 together as well!

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/going-primal/

The diet is basically Paleo style, eliminating grains and processed carbs, and embracing vegetables and high fat/protein animal foods. I just finished reading the book, and the science is very solid. It is based in evolutionary biology and working with your hormones, not against them. Also, the takes on exercise and lifestyle are great and scientifically sound.

Any other Primal folks here on RPF?

That's awesome! I'm a big fan of paleo/primal, and my friend and I (both liberty nuts) do a podcast on this stuff combined with psychology at http://healthymindfitbody.com Lots of liberty-minded folks in the paleo movement....makes sense, you reject one set of propaganda about nutrition and you're likely to have rejected another set of propaganda about government.

 

[Acala]

some beans, some potatoes, shitload of veggies, milk and sugar in my coffee. i don't like fruit.

I used to put sugar in my coffee. It was the only added sugar in my diet. I struggled. I tried stevia (yuck). I tried erythritol (good, but hard to find and not cheap, and not really something paleo man was seeing much of, now is it?). I rationalized that it was only a little bit and I used brown sugar. But I was not satisfied with the situation.

And then, at my GF's suggestion, I tried it her way with cream and no sweetener. After a week I liked it better than coffee with sugar. Now, for me, sugar just masks the flavor of the coffee. Oh, and I switched from cream to butter. Yum.

 

[Acala]

But that has been disputed. Some say fructose is only bad in the presence of lots of polyunsaturated fats and if you cut all vegetable oils and mayo and nuts high in polyunsaturated fats you can eat tons of fructose and it's beneficial. Again, a study is not going to tell you what's good for everyone, at least in the current state of the science, only trying these things out can determine what's best for one.

I agree that you should limit the PUFAs. But tons of fructose is still going to give you an insulin spike. There is no way around it. Your body just can't handle blood glucose levels outside a narrow range. Now if you could just nibble on fruit all day to regulate your blood glucose by regulating your intake, you could avoid an insulin spike. But not really practical, is it?

 

[specsaregood]

I used to put sugar in my coffee. It was the only added sugar in my diet. I struggled. I tried stevia (yuck). I tried erythritol (good, but hard to find and not cheap, and not really something paleo man was seeing much of, now is it?). I rationalized that it was only a little bit and I used brown sugar. But I was not satisfied with the situation.

And then, at my GF's suggestion, I tried it her way with cream and no sweetener. After a week I liked it better than coffee with sugar. Now, for me, sugar just masks the flavor of the coffee. Oh, and I switched from cream to butter. Yum.

Yeah, its pretty much the only sugar I intake -- never had a sweet tooth. And yeah, I've got 2 year old container of stevia that will still be there after I pass -- yuck is right. I think the sugar in my coffee is more habit at this point. Salted or Unsalted butter?

 

[jj-]

I would be interested in the links explaining why burning carbs is better.

Here:

sugar (sucrose, fructose) is not an issue when polyunsaturated fats are not in the diet

Read the rest.

 

[jj-]

Your body just can't handle blood glucose levels outside a narrow range. Now if you could just nibble on fruit all day to regulate your blood glucose by regulating your intake, you could avoid an insulin spike. But not really practical, is it?

Not practical, and unnecessary, because from my perspective there is no evidence that regulating your fruit intake is necessary.

 

[Seraphim]

Other than fiber in fruits, the carbs in fruits are simple sugars. That's not a bad thing though. They are very, very healthy sugars because they are very easy to digest and are excellent energy.

There's a huge difference between naturally occuring simple sugars (fruits, honey) and simple sugars that are refined/processed/HFCS. The former are AMAZING for you, the latter are early death sentences.

Eliminating grains is incredibly important, but carbs in general can be useful. Fruits and veggies have carbs in them-just not the simple variety. The previous poster is right that fat is a more efficient fuel than carbs. That's one reason why whale oil used to be used for lamps.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Other than fiber in fruits, the carbs in fruits are simple sugars. That's not a bad thing though. They are very, very healthy sugars because they are very easy to digest and are excellent energy.

There's a huge difference between naturally occuring simple sugars (fruits, honey) and simple sugars that are refined/processed/HFCS. The former are AMAZING for you, the latter are early death sentences.

Exactly! Plus, when you subtract the fiber from the total carbs in fruit (net carbs), you'll find that the sugar/carb content in fruit is so small as to be irrelevant.

 

[jj-]

I would be interested in the links explaining why burning carbs is better.

Link

 

[PatriotOne]

Since then not much of a problem...but then again, I haven't walked by a place serving world-class Margherita pizza either.

Had to google Margherita pizza but it looks like just about everything on it is primal with the exception of the crust. When your ready, slap those ingrediants on one of those primal almond flour pizza crust recipes and let me know how it turns out, k? .


extra virgin olive oil
garlic cloves
basil
tomatoes
mozzarella cheese
parmesan cheese
salt and pepper
Optional - crushed red pepper flakes, to taste
12 inches thin pizza crust (I use Boboli 12-inch thin crust)

 

[Acala]

Here:



Read the rest.

Pretty thin on actual research.

 

[Acala]

Link

He seems to be focused on the evils of PUFAs, with which I agree. But I don't see where he says, or has any studies to show, that burning glucose is better than burning healthy fats for energy.

 

[jj-]

He seems to be focused on the evils of PUFAs, with which I agree. But I don't see where he says, or has any studies to show, that burning glucose is better than burning healthy fats for energy.

You might have missed it since it's a long article. Some quotes:

From the scientist:

“The protective effects of sugar, and the harmful effects of excessive fat metabolism, are now being widely recognized, in every field of physiology. The unsaturated vegetable fats, linoleic and linolenic acid and their derivatives, such as arachidonic acid and the long chain fish oils, have excitatory, stress promoting effects, that shift metabolism away from the oxidation of glucose, and finally destroy the respiratory metabolism altogether. Since cell injury and death generally involve an imbalance between excitation and the ability to produce energy, it is significant that the oxidation of unsaturated fatty acids seems to consume energy, lowering cellular ATP (Clejan, et al, 1986).”

Part of the reason why avoiding PUFAs allows you to eat fructose:

Brief exposures to polyunsaturated fatty acids can damage the insulin-secreting cells of the pancreas, and the mitochondria in which oxidative energy production takes place.

From the blogger:

While Mark Sisson is calling excessive “fat metabolism” a paradigm shift – claiming it is superior, I don’t know if anything could convince me of this after my experience with a slow and steady degradation of health on a high-fat, near-zero sugar diet.

From another post:

I do believe, especially considering my own experience with both a very high carbohydrate and a very high fat diet, that for things like vasodilation and athletic performance and recovery – a carbohydrate-based diet is vastly superior. Even something as simple as breathing through my nostrils is easier on a carbohydrate-based diet. While it is possible that there is no “best” form of fuel for the human body, nearly all top athletes in the world eat predominantly carbohydrates to increase speed, performance, recovery, and so on. It’s very possible there is a “best” form of fuel for the human body, and that glucose is it.

 

[BamaAla]

Dayum! Poof......16% body fat gone. And I bet you didn't have to go hungry and suffer while doing it right?

Didn't suffer one minute. Well, that's not technically true; I did get a little carb flu about 5 days in, but it passed quickly. I eat when I'm hungry and don't when I'm not; the only "problem" with that is I find myself not hungry a lot more than I find myself hungry!

Mark made this blog post the other day. I've already found it useful; some of y'all might as well.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/top-...n-free-diet-and-how-to-respond/#axzz1wVNy7eJT

 

[Kluge]

Had to google Margherita pizza but it looks like just about everything on it is primal with the exception of the crust. When your ready, slap those ingrediants on one of those primal almond flour pizza crust recipes and let me know how it turns out, k? .


extra virgin olive oil
garlic cloves
basil
tomatoes
mozzarella cheese
parmesan cheese
salt and pepper
Optional - crushed red pepper flakes, to taste
12 inches thin pizza crust (I use Boboli 12-inch thin crust)

I'll try it, but a Margherita is 25% fresh buffalo mozz, 25% fresh tomatoes, 25% fresh basil and 25% crust. Dunno if I'd be better off trying the toppings in a portobello mushroom. Either way, I'll let you know.

 

[specsaregood]

I used to put sugar in my coffee. It was the only added sugar in my diet. I struggled. I tried stevia (yuck). I tried erythritol (good, but hard to find and not cheap, and not really something paleo man was seeing much of, now is it?). I rationalized that it was only a little bit and I used brown sugar. But I was not satisfied with the situation.

And then, at my GF's suggestion, I tried it her way with cream and no sweetener. After a week I liked it better than coffee with sugar. Now, for me, sugar just masks the flavor of the coffee. Oh, and I switched from cream to butter. Yum.

I've been having my coffee without sugar and just half/half the past few days and haven't missed it one bit. It was like I thought, just a habit. Thanks for the recommendation I try it again.