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Josh, I've reviewed the papers and what Pageone says isn't as clear as alleging Conway did that. Pageone just points out the potential he could have and that the ethics commission did NOT, as Conway said they had, say Mongiardo had not stated a cause of action. What it said was that if Conway's 'compensation' suggested in M's complaint was campaign contributions rather than outright gifts, the ethics commission didn't have jurisdiction. All facts stated below are from Pageone's account:


When Dr. Dan filed the complaint there were 4 members of the commission, two GOP and two Dem. At the first meeting where the matter was discussed, no action was taken.

Then another Democrat was appointed. pageone does not SAY this person was a contributor to Conway or a supporter, but 'has the question' whether he might have been. Similarly pageone 'has the question' whether Conway might have been the 'Constitutional officer' who nominated the 5th person.

Apparently the LexintonHerald began to look into this but when the ethics complaint was dropped, stopped. However, pageone notes that the Conway campaign's description of why it was dropped differs from the letter Conway and Dr. Dan got about why it was dropped (Conway said Dr Dan hadn't stated a cause of action, the commission said good, bad or indifferent, the matter was one they had no jurisdiction to hear.)

so there are questions to be raised, not answers to just be spread around. I add one more question: Why did one of Conway's pertinent disclosures identify the large investment of energy stock at issue while the other didn't? And for this I cite a different authority; Marion County line: http://www.marioncountyline.com/2010/06/conway-stall.html unfortunately at the time they linked the Appalachian news express by someone named Russ Cassady which link is now dead, and that is where the conflicting disclosure documentation was (and I am speaking from memory here.) I'm REMEMBERING reading there that one of Conway's disclosures had the info and the other covering the same period did not. This needs digging.

However, I think it is worth making this a project and will work on digging up the Appalachian news article, or failing that, Jacks' actual disclosures reported in that article (these are not the same disclosures that were due early this summer.) If you recall, Jack filed for an extension to file his later, summer, disclosures at the end of June (and they made a huge deal of Rand's failure to file for three days until Rand got them in.) Conway got an extension to file until the end of AUGUST on this so his having gotten hundreds of thousands from utility companies as an investor was further removed from the stink of his ethics complaint on conflict of interest in negotiating utility rates.

Beyond just forwarding what jake posted, however, I don't have a neat statement and the question is more "Who nominated the tie breaking member of the ethics commission who determined it had no jurisdiction over Conway's ethics complaint, and was the nominating party, or the nominated party, a Conway supporter? Or perchance did Conway nominate the tie breaking member himself?"

It seems to me the following facts can be determined:

1. Jack's disclosures with or without information on his huge purchases of energy stocks. (I'm remembering from that now dead link that that they contradicted each other. We have to be careful not to pickup 'amended' filings, but the originals.)

2. I'd like that Appalachian newspaper article, it had a lot more in it.

3. We should be able to find out who the members of the commission were when Dr. Dan filed his complaint, and by process of elimination figure out who the new guy was.

4. We should be able to find out if the new guy was a donor to Jack.

5. I would like to find out who nominated him but that might require information requests which I hope the campaign is doing, but which might or might not get a return of information before the election, so I don't want to wait on it.

I will spend some time today working on trying to get some of this info (1-4). Meanwhile, the pageone story should be passed to media, but we need to be careful to say it raises questions, not imply it provides all the answers.
 
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Jake of Page1's insider status in the early days of Conway's run has to be set against the
political landscape and seen inside a total rather than partial context. he may have heard
things a while back. he does have his sources. he sometimes is not one source journalism.
 
He said it was very fishy indeed that he appointed a supporter to be the tie breaking vote in an ethics investigatoin. Hopefully something comes of it.
 
cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

I got an email response from the editor of Business Lexington
saying that they will look further into the ethics investigation.

:cool: coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
 
5. I would like to find out who nominated him but that might require information requests which I hope the campaign is doing, but which might or might not get a return of information before the election, so I don't want to wait on it. .

Per the Kentucky Executive Branch Ethics Commission webpage, the latest appointment (Judge William L. Knopf) was selected by Governor Steve Beshear from a list of three nominees submitted by Attorney General Jack Conway.

Jake of Pageone alludes to Conway stacking the deck, but I do not think he ever comes out and says it. It is not 100% clear that stacking the deck took place, but as Jake mentions, there are a TON of serious questions this should raise.

Again, a lot of credit needs to go to Jake for connecting so many of the dots and laying this out there.

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Also, another member of the Ethics Commision is a Conway contributor (Angela Logan Edwards). She gave at least $250. This is from Pageone as well.
 
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He said it was very fishy indeed that he appointed a supporter to be the tie breaking vote in an ethics investigatoin. Hopefully something comes of it.

It looks like there are questions about:

Who are the members of this commission when this vote was taken? edit: answered

How was the fifth person appointed? edit: answered

Why were there two different letters sent out? edit: answered

The letter Mongiardo received from this commission appears to be a unique reply to Dan that says "Even though the 5th person donated to Conway, that's not considered a gift." without saying those exact words.
 
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Per the Kentucky Executive Branch Ethics Commission webpage, the latest appointment (Judge William L. Knopf) was selected by Governor Steve Beshear from a list of three nominees submitted by Attorney General Jack Conway.

Jake of Pageone alludes to Conway stacking the deck, but I do not think he ever comes out and says it. It is not 100% clear that stacking the deck took place, but as Jake mentions, there are a TON of serious questions this should raise.

Again, a lot of credit needs to go to Jake for connecting so many of the dots and laying this out there.

EDIT:

Also, another member of the Ethics Commission is a Conway contributor (Angela Logan Edwards). She gave at least $250. This is from Pageone as well.

Should the focus be on Angela Edwards then? If Knopf hasn't contributed anything to Conway besides a vote then what do we have?
 
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THE BLUE GRASS STAKES IS NOT THE KENTUCKY DERBY... its sorta before it!

up here we had a curious development in our governor's race.
four people are officially on the ballot, including a former Democrat
turned independent. he coaxed a GOP person onto his ticket as Lt. gov
so he could pull from deval patrick(D) and charlie baker(R) and thought
he had a good chance at winning! ms. stein of the GREEN PARTY is
our obligatory third party person who is totally out of the beacon hill
ratrace. treasurer cahill authorized a string of lottery ads up here
saying how well run it was, as the ads went into the monies sent
into our local cities and towns. when charlie baker pulled even to our
sitting governor in the polls, cahill's lt. governor guy bolted from cahill's
ticket, leaving many wags on beacon hill to surmise the GOP at some
point had asked cahill's metaphoric bed to be short-sheeted. almost
as an afterthought ms. martha coakley our attorney general asked
our state lottery to pull the ads praising how things were done at the
very same said lottery that cahill is in charge of. just when we all thought
a THIRD PARTY challenge might shake things up a tad or something like that!
 
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From Mandy Connell's blog.

"CONWAY STANDS BY ANONYMOUS ACCUSATIONS but a listener informed me that he was righteously indignant in 2007 when someone anonymously accused him of being gay. Pot, meet kettle. Quick question, which candidate said this?

"They start a false rumor and they peddle it. When they can't lead, they lie. They are hate-mongers and fear-mongers that owe my wife an apology."

http://www.whas.com/pages/MandyConnell.html
 
Should the focus be on Angela Edwards then? Who was Jeanie Owen Miller?

Knopf is a retired Kentucky judge. I believe he served for 20-odd years in KY. There is a Courier-Journal article SOMEWHERE from late May 2010 (after the primary, but BEFORE the committee decided they had no purview or whatever they said) detailing his appointment. The C-J article isn't available on their website without paying for it, but here's a blog post mentioning it:

http://www.kentuckylawblog.com/2010/05/judges-judge-knopf-named-to-kentucky-ethics-commission.html

Focus should definitely be on Angela Edwards, too, but if Knopf has supported Conway, was basically a Conway appointee, and also ruled on a Conway ethics complaint...that's a bigass scandal.
 
Should the focus be on Angela Edwards then?

Not necessarily. Jack nominated the other guy. I think we don't know who voted which way, although I suspect the dems voted Jack's way, and suspect the guy Jack nominated for appointment voted Jack's way. That is something else to look into but right now I'm going for those disclosure sheets.

What kind of set up lets the subject of an ethics complaint nominate the party to decide it?
 
If we can get a good summary with hard hitting questions I'll send an email blast out.

Jake, want to help out?
 
Great idea Josh

I got an email response from the editor of Business Lexington saying that they will look further into the ethics investigation.

Repped

(off topic, where are the list of rep stages?)
 
If we can get a good summary with hard hitting questions I'll send an email blast out.

Jake, want to help out?

agreed-- it's a bit confusing.

can someone do a date list of events to summarize followed by a list of questions in as few words as possible?

i can't figure out exactly what the controversy is.
 
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