TODAY Thanksgiving Family Forum, Des Moine, IA 4PM CST Hosted/Moderated By FOX Frank Luntz

[Muwahid]

I've been thinking about Luntz and his fairness last night. I smell a rat because i just dont trust the guy.

I think his fairness during a non televised debate has been used to build up his credibility amongst this voting block who were watching/listening to this debate.

When he gets on Fox News a week out from the Iowa caucus/NH Primary and has his focus group showing candidate x with 90% positive feedback and Ron with really negative feedback, alot of these voters are going to follow like sheep to the slaughter and vote for candidate x.

Wouldn't be surprised on that

 

[wstrucke]

Ron's answer about unnecessary wars and bad economics being the two forces most destructive to the family was pure gold. How that message doesn't resonate with the average churchgoing GOP primary voter completely baffles me. For some reason they only seem to understand moronic airheads like Bachmann and Santorum screaming about gays, abortions, Israel, and WAAAAAAARRRRRRR!! Kill more Muslims!

Like many of us once were, a lot of people have their MSM blinders on so those are the "issues" they care about. Until the industrial military/MSM/FED stuff gets through to them they're going to continue to see Ron like a deer in headlights and skip over what he's saying. Fortunately truth is a powerful thing once it gets out and it is most definitely out.

 

[trey4sports]

http://phone.ronpaul2012.com/v/login.php?return_url=/v/

 

[ross11988]

http://phone.ronpaul2012.com/v/login.php?return_url=/v/

Its Sunday Silly

 

[singe22]

Gah it was so hard listening to anyone but Paul. Its just a hypocritical cycle. They want government to get out of their way so they can live, but then want to turn around and have the Federal government enforce and define traditional marriage.

FFS, i am straight, and i dont use drugs. If someone wants to marry the same sex and do those things, just dont tread on me. And they shouldnt get special treatment either.

What Paul should of said is that if the States keep saying no to the Federal government and the feds want to punish the states, it is the states right to succede from the Union.

 

[William R]

bump

 

[da32130]

I've been thinking about Luntz and his fairness last night. I smell a rat because i just dont trust the guy.

I think his fairness during a non televised debate has been used to build up his credibility amongst this voting block who were watching/listening to this debate.

When he gets on Fox News a week out from the Iowa caucus/NH Primary and has his focus group showing candidate x with 90% positive feedback and Ron with really negative feedback, alot of these voters are going to follow like sheep to the slaughter and vote for candidate x.

Here may be the rat:

http://www.livestream.com/thanksgiv...ipId=pla_8dadc257-ce85-4ebd-b517-d23cc7fee1a1

At minute 31:30 or slightly after he lets an OWS protester get on stage and the person mentions wanting Ron Paul to talk about the Fed.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Santorum is a socon. It's illegal because it's immoral.

There isn't anything conservative about Santorum. If a person believes in big government, they are not a conservative.

 

[IterTemporis]

Thanks, I don't follow it. I was just reporting what I saw on Twitter feed. Can you provide a ranking update?

I apologize, I did not see your post.

1. Mitt Romney 36.8% Going down
2. Newt Gingrich 28.5% Going up now, previously was going down
3. Ron Paul 19.0% Going up
4. Herman Cain 7.5% Going down now, previously was going up
5. Michele Bachmann 7.0% Going up
6. Rick Perry 3.5% Going down
7. Rick Santorum 3.0% Going down I think

 

[sailingaway]

I apologize, I did not see your post.

1. Mitt Romney 36.8% Going down
2. Newt Gingrich 28.5% Going up now, previously was going down
3. Ron Paul 19.0% Going up
4. Herman Cain 7.5% Going down now, previously was going up
5. Michele Bachmann 7.0% Going up
6. Rick Perry 3.5% Going down
7. Rick Santorum 3.0% Going down I think

hm.

 

[alex_florida]

I could care less about rep.

I will boldly state over and over that I think Ron Paul insulted millions of Americans by ignoring the income tax in his tax plan. If there was enough money to cut many other taxes, the income tax should have been cut too.

However, I will also say I still think he is the best candidate. I just can't vote for him or tell anyone to vote for him until he changes his economic plan, and starts cutting the income tax.

I was surprised and frustrated as well that Dr. Paul did not address the issue of abolishing Income Tax and eliminating IRS in his plan, even if by step by step cutting, by stages. He offers to eliminate TSA in the plan what is great but Income Tax enslaves and IRS harrasses much more people than TSA, it was probably the biggest assault on personal freedom and property rights since the beggining of "progressive era". He should, at least, to show the path for doing it in future... Productive and free loving people hate IRS even more than TSA so even if he had just declared the intention to do with it in future, it could have brougt a lot of additional votes. Dr. Paul talked about Income Tax as the most harmfull tax times out of number - hopefully, not disclosing it in the plan was just a mistake and he has not changed his mind to start doing with this issue if a President... but yet this mistake though a strategic one is no reason not to vote for Dr. Paul.

 

[dude58677]

I was surprised and frustrated as well that Dr. Paul did not address the issue of abolishing Income Tax and eliminating IRS in his plan, even if by step by step cutting, by stages. He offers to eliminate TSA in the plan what is great but Income Tax enslaves and IRS harrasses much more people than TSA, it was probably the biggest assault on personal freedom and property rights since the beggining of "progressive era". He should, at least, to show the path for doing it in future... Productive and free loving people hate IRS even more than TSA so even if he had just declared the intention to do with it in future, it could have brougt a lot of additional votes. Dr. Paul talked about Income Tax as the most harmfull tax times out of number - hopefully, not disclosing it in the plan was just a mistake and he has not changed his mind to start doing with this issue if a President... but yet this mistake though a strategic one is no reason not to vote for Dr. Paul.

You really think that he would let his friend Irwin schiff rot in prison? Of course he will pardon him and once he pardons him then he will have to pardon everyone else. Irwin Schiff is the one who promoted books that said that there is no law requiring Americans to pay income taxes.

 

[2young2vote]

I looked for the highlights on youtube. The top videos are all about Ron Paul. Watching it now, but i'm surprised he got so much time to speak (20 minutes!). After watching it I like this format better. He basically got unlimited time to talk and the questions were all fair, surprisingly.

Was there an after-forum discussion/focus group? If so, I'd like to know what they said.

 

[alex_florida]

You really think that he would let his friend Irwin schiff rot in prison? Of course he will pardon him and once he pardons him then he will have to pardon everyone else. Irwin Schiff is the one who promoted books that said that there is no law requiring Americans to pay income taxes.

At least, Dr. Paul could say that he as a President would request to rewrite this monstrous 70,000-page Tax Code to simplify it and correct/ abolish the most outrageous things there such as mandatory filing Personal Income Tax Returns by all taxpayers (huge waste of time and resourses and contradicts to 4th ammendment to the Constitution - Miranda rights to remain silent and against self-incrimination - one of the points of Irwin Schiff), taxing all US citizens/ persons on their worldwide income even if they do not reside in the US (almost our US exclusive - no other countries except a few exotic ones tax citizens those live abroad), etc. He could address it vagually, no details, but still show that he will do deal with it...

 

[Karsten]

I was surprised and frustrated as well that Dr. Paul did not address the issue of abolishing Income Tax and eliminating IRS in his plan, even if by step by step cutting, by stages. He offers to eliminate TSA in the plan what is great but Income Tax enslaves and IRS harrasses much more people than TSA, it was probably the biggest assault on personal freedom and property rights since the beggining of "progressive era". He should, at least, to show the path for doing it in future... Productive and free loving people hate IRS even more than TSA so even if he had just declared the intention to do with it in future, it could have brougt a lot of additional votes. Dr. Paul talked about Income Tax as the most harmfull tax times out of number - hopefully, not disclosing it in the plan was just a mistake and he has not changed his mind to start doing with this issue if a President... but yet this mistake though a strategic one is no reason not to vote for Dr. Paul.

He has said numerous times that he wants to abolish the IRS and replace it with nothing.
What more do you want?

 

[wgadget]

I think he wants him to do it in his first year. LOL

 

[alex_florida]

I think he wants him to do it in his first year. LOL

Of course, not, nobody expects it within his first year and even first term in full but the process should be launched...
Yes, he has said about abolishing IRS many times but no one word about reforming IRS or Tax Code in his economic plan. This is the point and this is very confusing, and Dr. Paul should explain it additionally, why there is no mention about any reform of IRS and doing with Personal Income Tax (except eliminating taxes on savings, dead tax, reducing corporate tax) in the plan.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Of course, not, nobody expects it within his first year and even first term in full but the process should be launched...
Yes, he has said about abolishing IRS many times but no one word about reforming IRS or Tax Code in his economic plan. This is the point and this is very confusing, and Dr. Paul should explain it additionally, why there is no mention about any reform of IRS and doing with Personal Income Tax (except eliminating taxes on savings, dead tax, reducing corporate tax) in the plan.

I agree that it's disappointing that the plan doesn't eliminate the IRS/income tax, given that it's been part of his platform forever, but rest assured, there's no way that a Ron Paul administration would prosecute "tax evaders" for a non-crime. Also, he has said in a few interviews that he wants to deal with government spending first, which in and of itself is a tax (given that it leads to borrowing or printing [inflation]).

Lastly, during the Center Seat segment on Fox News Special Report, he stated that his ideal tax plan is 0-0-0.