TODAY Thanksgiving Family Forum, Des Moine, IA 4PM CST Hosted/Moderated By FOX Frank Luntz

[Ranger29860]

So all i'm hearing is fuck checks and balances?

 

[trey4sports]

as long as they are not attacking Ron on Iran and drugs we're all good.

 

[sailingaway]

just because I'm bored....

In 1951 Ron Paul did not place in the top 5 in the 100y or 220y but placed 2nd in the PIAA WPIAL District 7 Meet @ Canonsburg, PA[ 5/19/1951] 440y in 52.7 and qualified for the State Meet @ Penn State 5/26/1951.At the State Meet he ran 52.0 for 3rd in Heat 3.

Paul does not appear in the late, George Kiseda's 1951 Final Western PA Honor Roll Performance Marks. for the 100y or 220y. He did run 51.8 [date & site unk.]for 440y and ranked 4th.


In 1952 Paul finished 3rd in the 100y @ W.P.I.A.L.[Dist. 7] Class A Meet [5/17/1952] @ Mt. Lebanon HS,PA ]. Herb Carper won in 10.2. Paul's time in not listed in official result set. Paul did not qualify for the P.I.A.A. State Meet in the 100y. In 1952 he does not appear in the late, George Kiseda's ["Pittsburgh Sun Telegraph"] 1952 Final Western PA Honor Roll Performance Marks.[1-20] going from 10.0 to 10.4.


His best mark for the 220 in 1952 was 22.2 date & site unk. He won the W.P.I.A.L. Dist. 7 220y
and 440y in 22.8 and 51.2 respectively. He qualified for the P.I.A.A. State Meet[5/24/1952]@ Penn State in both events.
The following data is from my research files for the 1951 & 1952 PIAA State Meet. Note Art Pollard and Arnie Sowell ran in these 2 events. Weather & track conditions were terrible

P.I.A.A. TRACK & FIELD CHAMPIONSHIPS
1952 DATE: 05/24/1952 SITE: PENN STATE UNIV.
Weather: Rain in AM, heavier rain in PM. 1/2" water covered the track
Sources: PIAA State Program;Richard Ream, PIAA;PIAA Dist.1 & WPIAL Dist.7 Programs;See George K1seda,”Pitt. Sun-Telegraph”’s article dated 5/24/1952 for details; “Pitt. Press” [5/3/1952]; Reading Eagle [5/25/1952;”Chester Times”;”Coatesville Record”;Chester Co. Historical Society Clip file;Phila. Inquirer;”Altoona Mirror”;”Daily Local News”; Don Mollenauer & Chuck Hemphill’s archive files; Bob Craig,”Book of Champions”;Jerry Breslin;Hal Wilson;;Ted Goldsborough, Lower Merion Historical Society; Williamsport HS;George Jackson; Dave Johnson; Bruce Klingensmith;Swarthmore HS-Jim Miller’s annotated 1952 State Program

220Y HEAT 1
1 KLINGENSMITH, 22.8
2 RAMSEY, 23.1
3 EHLERS, ERNEST POTTSVILLE
4
5
6

220Y HEAT 2
1 RUSSELL, 23.2
2 CARRUTHERS, 23.3
3 KAMINSKI, RAYMOND HANOVER TWP.
4
5
6

220Y HEAT 3
1 PAUL, 22.9
2 POLLARD, 23.1
3
4
5
6

220Y FINAL
1 PAUL, RON [8/20/1935] ‘53 DORMONT [7] 23.5
2 KLINGENSMITH, BRUCE ‘53[12/06/34] MT. LEBANON [7]
3 RAMSEY, CHARLES LOWER MERION
4 CARRUTHERS, BRUCE STATE COLLEGE
5 RUSSELL, HOWARD PITT. WESTINGHOUSE
6

NOTE: Art Pollard scratched due to a pull
It is uncertain if another qualifier replaced Pollard in the final
440Y HEAT 1
1 SIMPSON, 52.1
2 PAUL, 53.3
3 SOWELL, 53.4
4 GUELCHER, ROBERT ERIE ACADEMY 54.5
5 WOLF, HUNTER READING 56.5

440Y HEAT 2
1 VINSON, 53.6
2 RAMSEY, 53.8
3 GALES, DELNOR CONNELLSVILLE 54.2
4 LONG, CHESTER LANCASTER 55.7
5 HEFLIN, CHARLES PITT. WESTINGHOUSE 56.5

440Y HEAT 3
1 KOHL, RICHARD ALLENTOWN 55.4
2 BROWN, MATTHEW SCRANTON CENTRAL 55.6
3 SHAY, GORDON ERIE ACADEMY 56.0
4 RILEY, WILLIAM CONEMAUGH TWP. 56.5
5 FALLS, ROBERT DuBOIS 56.6

440Y HEAT 4
1 WALKER, GEORGE WILLIAMSPORT 54.7
2 SHIMER, DOUGLAS PALMERTON 55.3
3 DOUGHER, EDWARD SCRANTON TECH 55.4 ?
4
5

440Y FINAL PLACINGS BASED ON HEAT TIME
1 SIMPSON, ROLAND CHELTENHAM [1] 52.1
2 PAUL, RON [8/20/35] ‘53 DORMONT [7] 53.3
3 SOWELL, ARNOLD[04/06/35] SCHENLEY [8] 53.4
4 VINSON, DONALD STATE COLLEGE [6] 53.6
5 RAMSEY, CHARLES LOWER MERION [1] 53.8 ^
6 GALES, DELNOR CONNELLSVILLE [7] 54.2

Note: Simpson ran 49.5[rec] @ Dist. 1 Meet

1951 P.I.A.A. TRACK & FIELD CHAMPIONSHIPS
DATE: 5/26/1951
SITE: STATE COLLEGE, PA.
WEATHER: 81-53-.3

Sources: PIAA State Program;Richard Ream-Official Scorer;PIAA Dist.1Program; “Pitt. Press”; ”Altoona Mirror”;”Chester Times”;”Daily Local News”; “Pittsburgh Sunday Sun Telegraph”;”Pittsburgh Press”; Paul Kurtz’s article in the Pittsburgh Press 5/25/1951; ; George Kiseda; Joe Stumpf;George Jackson; Dave Johnson; Swarthmore HS-Jim Miller’s annotated 1951 State Program;Don Mollenauer & Chuck Hemphill’s archive files; Bob Craig,”Book of Champions”;Jerry Breslin;Hal Wilson;;Ted Goldsborough, Lower Merion Historical Society; Williamsport HS;Don Rich’s Penn Track XC;Craig Lowthert;

440Y HEAT 1
1 SIMPSON, 50.7
2 GUELCHER, 51.4
3 JOHNSTON, 51.9
4 YODER, Carl LANCASTER[3] 52.5
5 WADE, HERMAN PITT. SOUTH HILLS[8] 53.0
6


440Y HEAT 2
1 SOWELL, 51.6
2 JONES, M. WILKES BARRE MEYERS[2] 52.2
3 MORAN, EDWARD KANE[9] 53.2
4 SHINER, DOUGLAS PALMERTON[11] 54.3
5
6

440Y HEAT 3
1 LEATHEM, 51.1
2 KOHL, 51.9
3 PAUL, RON [8/2035] DORMONT[7] 52.0
4 HANKINSON, J. JEANETTE[7] 52.4
5 O’MALLEY, JOSEPH SCRANTON TECH[2] 53.5
6


440Y FINAL PLACINGS BASED ON HEAT TIME
1 SIMPSON, ROLAND CHELTENHAM[1] 50.7
2 LEATHEM, DAVID UPPER DARBY[1] 51.1
3 GUELCHER, ROBERT ERIE ACADEMY[10] 51.4
4 SOWELL, ARNOLD[4/06/1935] PITT. SCHENLEY[8] 51.6
5 TIE: JOHNSTON, JAMES WILLIAMSPORT[4] 51.9
KOHL, RICHARD ALLENTOWN[11] 51.9

Note: Simpson ran 51.4 [=rec] @ Dist. 1 Meet
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[JohnGalt23g]

Rick: "Because God needs our help"

You put that in quotes. Did he really say that "God needs our help"?

What? Is Senator Frothy's God out there on a street corner with a tin cup selling pencils? My God helps me... when I need it... and I thank Him for it. Not the other way around.

 

[sailingaway]

Is this 'Mommy'?

 

[bunklocoempire]

What is with all this anti supreme court talk?

It's the tool always brought up to vote for/support the 'lesser of two evils'. We can expect more SC talk, and the danger of Obama appointing liberal judge. Scare tactics.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Newt the Bill Clinton of the Family Forum... ugh these professional swindlers.

 

[RestoreTheRepublic]

Is it me or are Ron's answers not getting as much applause as some of the other candidates? I understand the demographics of the crowd here, I just hope he can still get the vote from these Evangelical Christians in Iowa.

I thought he did really well tonight, I just hope the majority of these born-again Christians will support him in the caucuses.

 

[Corey]

how long is this thing, sheesh

 

[tfurrh]

17,672 viewers. Any bets that they're all Ron Paul supporters?

 

[HeyArchie]

I hate that religion plays such a large role in an election.

 

[Fermli]

how long is this thing, sheesh

will finish in 3 minutes

 

[liberty2012]

..

 

[Bobcat]

He didn't forclose it. It just isn't in that one document. Whatever. It is your non-vote. The others would raise tax by eliminating deductions, though.

If he was going to start the process of phasing out the income tax, he should put it in the document. In my opinion, cutting almost every other tax while not starting the process of phasing out the income tax is an insult to every single American. If you took a vote of a hundred people of what tax they hate the most, I'm certain 90% of them would say the income tax. He has been preaching against the income tax for decades, and there is no excuse whatsoever for him not address phasing it out in his plan.

This debate makes me even more upset, because it shows how the other candidates are nothing but neocons, and support big government. I sure hope no one in here is falling for them. When I hear someone saying that Bachmann would make a good VP, it makes me sick. She voted for the Patriot Act and supported TARP (if I remember correctly). Also, she does not support bringing the troops home, and supports torture.

It also boggles my mind how anyone can support Cain. He worked for the FED, so he is the enemy, period. Also, he wants to give the government ANOTHER way of collecting taxes IN ADDITION to keeping the income tax in place. It is outrageous!

 

[sailingaway]

Is it me or are Ron's answers not getting as much applause as some of the other candidates? I understand the demographics of the crowd here, I just hope he can still get the vote from these Evangelical Christians in Iowa.

I thought he did really well tonight, I just hope the majority of these born-again Christians will support him in the caucuses.

Yeah, he doesn't have a big group here. But they will like him better than Romney when it comes time to caucus and they look around the room at who is standing where.

 

[Jtorsella]

I hate that religion plays such a large role in an election.

Completely agree.

 

[Diurdi]

Now I get it why Romney isn't there.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Is it me or are Ron's answers not getting as much applause as some of the other candidates? I understand the demographics of the crowd here, I just hope he can still get the vote from these Evangelical Christians in Iowa.

I thought he did really well tonight, I just hope the majority of these born-again Christians will support him in the caucuses.

Perhaps, I believe the light applause is because his new supporters here are thinking about what he just said... I remember my first Ron Paul moment -it was quiet while I sorted out how I had previously been brainwashed.

 

[bighairycaveman]

If I pause the debate will it continue where I paused it? Or will it continue live and I'll miss it?

 

[Fermli]

If I pause the debate will it continue where I paused it? Or will it continue live and I'll miss it?

it will continue live